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Ugh and I'm convinced that we're not getting Amora in Thor 3 because Enchantress is in Suicide Squad. It comes to mind that the heavy focus on the Joker in the trailers will backfire when he's barely in it, plus they don't get what the Joker nuts are expecting, a 2016 version of Ledger's joker most likely. There's no other reason to focus on such a minor part of the film other than to hook fans of it, and in this day and age people can register their complaints instantly and people will actually see it. The sad thing, is I was really, really looking forward to it. Most of these characters have never appeared in live action, especially Harle, and Will Smith looks like he's returning to the 90s Big Willy style I loved so much before WIld Wild West.
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Travis343 posted:There's a lot of people ITT that are like "Oh no, this sucks. I'm still gonna see it though". Go see Train to Busan this weekend (I already said this in the Greenlight thread, but good movies really need to be supported).
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Aug 4, 2016 04:42
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lomzus posted:Lots of things went on with Suicide Squads production. Jesus this is brutal. DC needs to get some creative control over their products stat or its just going to be more of this poo poo.
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Aug 4, 2016 04:48
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I saw it last night and it was not good. More in the spoilers! Joker is barely in it and is pretty boring. Jared Leto seems to be dressing up to be edgy but isn't menacing in the least. Harley is based only around the Joker and doesn't care about anything. Ending is straight out of the OG Ghostbusters Jesus loving Christ! Another goddamn pop song? The only character I liked was El Diablo, once they decided to use him What was the brother of Enchantress' name? Actually nm. I dont care and neither did anyone else Harley's jokes seemed to hit much better in the trailers rather than on film The Batman and Flash cameo's were cool. I liked them. Boomerang threw a boomerang in an interesting way literally once (the camera to spy on boring witch siblings) The opening is so long and keeps dragging. Rick Flagg was boring and I had no investment in his character or his dumb relationship (which was created by Waller??)
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I legit do not understand why Joel Kinnaman keeps getting cast in stuff. He doesn't seem to have any charisma or personality.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:11
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SlimGoodbody posted:I legit do not understand why Joel Kinnaman keeps getting cast in stuff. He doesn't seem to have any charisma or personality. exact same thing with jai courtney
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Aug 4, 2016 08:25
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twistedmentat posted:Ugh and I'm convinced that we're not getting Amora in Thor 3 because Enchantress is in Suicide Squad. They've got Skurge in there, they've got to have her too. They could just call her 'Amora' if they're worried about the Enchantress brand being diluted or whatever.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:35
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Blockhouse posted:exact same thing with jai courtney Hopefully he fucks off to wherever Sam Worthington is now.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:38
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Hopefully he fucks off to wherever Sam Worthington is now. Making 3 more Avatar films.
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Aug 4, 2016 08:56
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At least they stopped putting Wentworth Miller in stuff.
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Aug 4, 2016 09:07
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Heathen posted:Saying that Suicide Squad is worse than Fantastic Four is a little misleading. FF is not good but it's definitely not 9% bad. Catwoman is also 9% and it's way worse. I haven't seen Catwoman but the basketball scene is enough for me to know all I need about its quality. First it was Oceans 12 and now Fantastic 4, the movies that SS is being compared against in recent pages make me think that the movie DCU is completely hosed. I think Wonder Woman will tank because of the reaction to BvS and SS, and depending on how far they have got with the other movies, I reckon Warner Bros will be done with it all. They should cut loose all the JL stuff including the spin-offs and go with a solo Affleck Batman movie that touches none of the other characters. The worst thing is, all the superhero movies are starting to fatigue me. Amazing Spider Man 1&2 Avengers 2 Thor 2 X-Men Apocalypse MoS BvS SS Fantastic 4 Thats a non-chronological list (in rough order of increasing disappointment) of super hero movies that are bad. Going further back you can add Spider Man 3 and Iron Man 2 to that list. Ironically its been the stuff that looked worse on paper beforehand that has been better eg GotG, Deadpool. If Dr Strange turns out poo poo (please Cytorak let it not), the superhero genre may have already peaked and be on a steep decline.
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Aug 4, 2016 10:41
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Hopefully he fucks off to wherever Sam Worthington is now. Is it contractually obligated that generic Australian dude 'lead' actors have to star in disappointing Terminator sequels?
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Yvonmukluk posted:They've got Skurge in there, they've got to have her too. They could just call her 'Amora' if they're worried about the Enchantress brand being diluted or whatever. She's not on the list, just Hela, unless she's a super secret last minute casting, I doubt she'll be there.
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Lurdiak posted:At least they stopped putting Wentworth Miller in stuff. God, I thought I was the only one!
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Seriously, people don't like Wentworth Miller? I think he's one of the best casting choices of all time for any superhero media as Captain Cold, and he was also perfectly decent as the lead on Prison Break. I admit I haven't seen Kinnaman, Courtney, or Worthington in anything yet, but they all seem pretty bland and generic, and Miller is definitely not those things.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:29
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Lurdiak posted:At least they stopped putting Wentworth Miller in stuff. He was never a thing in movies. He did Resident Evil, but nobody in those movies is ever expected to catch on.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:33
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teagone posted:They honestly should have just made a live-action version of Assault on Arkham. This is true. When I heard that they even casted a Joker I thought that is what they were doing to do.
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Aug 4, 2016 14:10
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Seriously, people don't like Wentworth Miller? Nope, not at all. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I can't stand his Captain Cold and was glad when he left the show.
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Aug 4, 2016 14:16
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Kinneman is the only worthwhile thing about the American version of The Killing TV show
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Seriously, people don't like Wentworth Miller?
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JT Smiley posted:Nope, not at all. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I can't stand his Captain Cold and was glad when he left the show. Well now he's going to be appearing on Legends, Flash, AND Arrow!
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Aug 4, 2016 15:04
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Just got back and i enjoyed it. I think it suffers from editing by committee. A fair bit of stuff i've seen in trailers on teasers just wasn't in it. and some of the cuts are obviously butchered. I still enjoyed it i loving loved Harley and the Joker. So did my brother, who's pretty well gay for anything Joker related.
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Aug 4, 2016 15:12
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JT Smiley posted:Nope, not at all. I realize I'm in the minority here, but I can't stand his Captain Cold and was glad when he left the show. GOOD NEWS! He left Legends of Tomorrow to be a universe regular for ALLLLL CW DC shows.
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Aug 4, 2016 15:19
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Rocksicles posted:Just got back and i enjoyed it. I think it suffers from editing by committee. A fair bit of stuff i've seen in trailers on teasers just wasn't in it. and some of the cuts are obviously butchered. There seems to be some serious dysfunction in the WB comicbook movie pipeline. For Marvel, which has been largely open about its writing process in articles like this or this , it involves a core crew (of which members are free to join and leave) being given enormous latitutde to table stories and work through numerous drafts, while interacting with other crews currently working on their movies and Marvel brass (that tends to be hands-off except for a few direct notes touching on future plot threads) in a free-form yet close manner. I'm trying to not just be a Marvel fan-boy here, because this is really interesting to compare the two companies structural ways of doing business. Someone must have written a paper on this already, showing why one business environment's healthy approach to creating product (as successful as GE's brutalist philosophy under Jack Welch, yet almost diametrically opposite) compares to WB's frantic shortsightedness and continuing second place status.
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Shageletic posted:There seems to be some serious dysfunction in the WB comicbook movie pipeline. For Marvel, which has been largely open about its writing process in articles like this or this , it involves a core crew (of which members are free to join and leave) being given enormous latitutde to table stories and work through numerous drafts, while interacting with other crews currently working on their movies and Marvel brass (that tends to be hands-off except for a few direct notes touching on future plot threads) in a free-form yet close manner. When phrased like this, it seems like, no loving poo poo, Marvel's "committee" approach is vastly superior. Just being able to have a semi-consistent team to help break stories seems incredibly helpful, and the thing about the number of drafts is also great, especially considering what I posted earlier about Ayer having to write the Suicide Squad script in six weeks.
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Remember that the DC committee approach (or at least as close to it as we'll get in the current climate) led to a book called "52". Remember also that Dan Didio hates the gently caress out of that book and has on two separate occasions tried to engineer a successor, both times resulting in a complete farcical failure. So I would argue that it's a problem tied to its culture, possibly also a problem tied to its corporate structure -- WB is very Top Down and has, on numerous occasions, allegedly been very close to gutting DC's publishing line. DC cinema is also reactive (to Marvel's success) and following an inverted structure with the JL line: instead of peppering their CU with individual character movies and building to a Team, they're starting with the Big Guns trinity, straight into a unified team movie then breaking out for the secondary heroes like Flash.
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Maybe its not even useful to look at it as a "DC" culture, considering how hands on WB was with Suicide Squad. I haven't been able to find any articles about the writing process for the DC stable, but Geoff Johns has been linked to writing at least a couple, right? It seems like a much more conventional blockbuster type process, the screenplay being the least focused on and important part of creating these types of movie.
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RevKrule posted:GOOD NEWS! He left Legends of Tomorrow to be a universe regular for ALLLLL CW DC shows. Fine by me, I'm dropping the Flash all together after this last season and I don't watch those other shows.
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To be fair, that's absolutely Marvel Studios' creative culture (screenplay least important, director most important). I honestly think the problem with DC is that, as I mentioned before, it's not just DC in charge of the DCCU; unlike the Disney/Marvel relationship, wherein Disney leaves Marvel more or less alone to do what they want (so the vision is contained to a smaller number of people and more importantly, executives, with Feige being more or less the final word on creative decisions for MCU films). WB, on the other hand, seems far more hands-on with the DC movies, and they seem far more reactive and prone to panicking then Disney has been. BvS was a bad film either way, but it was made worse by awkward and forced cameos and a whole bunch of awful Justice League trailer bait, and the SS stuff sounds like it's WB moving away from the much-ballyhooed "creative first" imperative that they kept emphasizing was what made them so different/better than Disney. Also I read the THR article about SS's troubles and some anonymous insider mentioned that SS has gotta hit a 750-800 million worldwide total just to break even. I dunno if that's true, but if it is Suicide Squad is totally hosed. Like...I'll be shocked if SS breaks 650 million.
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Aug 4, 2016 18:00
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Wait I thought Marvel was the evil corporate fatcat who strangled the director and forced everyone to follow the Big Picture and DC was the artistic nurturer who gave directors free reign The narratives are changing too fast I'm so confused
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AnonSpore posted:Wait I thought Marvel was the evil corporate fatcat who strangled the director and forced everyone to follow the Big Picture and DC was the artistic nurturer who gave directors free reign Marvel is definitely demanding that its directors make movies that fit into their vision. I guess the main difference is that Marvel's vision has proven to be insanely popular and successful. Meanwhile, DC appears from the outside to be committed to pushing grim and joyless darkfests no matter how much people say "WE WANT SUPERHEROES TO BE FUN", so, people aren't that enthused about whoever actually makes the decisions. (Like, as far as I can see people have been making fun of DC for being grim and joyless for over a decade now and they still refuse to pivot.)
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AnonSpore posted:Wait I thought Marvel was the evil corporate fatcat who strangled the director and forced everyone to follow the Big Picture and DC was the artistic nurturer who gave directors free reign Both are the same really, it's just Marvel picked a better tone to enforce.
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Aug 4, 2016 18:28
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DC has been reacting to Marvel since the 60s, this is really nothing new.
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Rand Brittain posted:(Like, as far as I can see people have been making fun of DC for being grim and joyless for over a decade now and they still refuse to pivot.) When exactly did DC as a whole make that poo poo to a darker tone? I remember giving up on Green Lantern books sometime during the SInestro war when characters were getting mutilated all over the place.
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AnonSpore posted:Wait I thought Marvel was the evil corporate fatcat who strangled the director and forced everyone to follow the Big Picture and DC was the artistic nurturer who gave directors free reign I mean, make no mistake, Marvel's enforcing their brand and making sure each film conforms to their overall creative vision, I just suspect there's far less cooks in the kitchen Marvel side combined with the fact that Marvel has a brand and creative vision to enforce. DC/WB seems to be flailing about for something, anything to work, considering how a very large percentage of the SS reviews make it sound like the movie's a bad copy of Guardians of the Galaxy. Again, reactionary; DC movies are reactionary, and you're seeing the creative fallout of what happens when you do that.
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JT Smiley posted:When exactly did DC as a whole make that poo poo to a darker tone? I remember giving up on Green Lantern books sometime during the SInestro war when characters were getting mutilated all over the place. The rise of Johns has left quite an impact on DC, even as his direct presence has diminished.
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Aug 4, 2016 18:41
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Rand Brittain posted:Marvel is definitely demanding that its directors make movies that fit into their vision. I guess the main difference is that Marvel's vision has proven to be insanely popular and successful. More like Marvel is hiring/using directors that share the same vision/are a good fit with the vision.
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That is not really true.
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I suspect another difference is the creators on Marvel's side have a lot more respect for the source material and especially the characters they're working with. Marvel's had some missteps (imo), but even in their worst offerings I never got the feeling like the screenwriter thought the character was stupid and couldn't wait to kill him off (like Goyer with Superman) or that the director really wished he could have the main character raped to up the edginess content (like Snyder with Batman). I'm not a mind-reader so I can't know for certain, but with a lot of DC's movie and television offerings I often get the impression that at least parts of the creative team are actively embarrassed to be working on a live action comic book show, and thereby feel the need to redeem it somehow.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Both are the same really, it's just Marvel picked a better tone to enforce. That's the key. A uniform vision. WB's tripartite organizational system (Kevin Tajahara (sp?) on top, with another two execs underneath with overlapping responsibilities over DC movies) is a system engendered to create confusion and disfunction.
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