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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:The reason those analogs don't exist in Canada is because we enjoy a system that does not permit them to flourish. Yeah sure, that and our completely different history, culture and geography.
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lol remember when we locked all the japs up and then also genocided our native populations and locked them up too but good thing we have first past the post to protect us from such atrocities
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hey whats really cool is the united states is about to elect hitler 2.0 with a first past the post system in 2016 but lets not have representative democracy because problems
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:The reason those analogs don't exist in Canada is because we enjoy a system that does not permit them to flourish. Lmao
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Helsing posted:Speaking of Trump, the Nate Silver elections forecast that we were working ourselves up over a few days ago has been making some hilariously wild swings recently. Yet another tard who doesn't know what he's looking at
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The Federal NDP called me to chat and asked me if I had any criticisms or for the party. I told them the party has been completely paralysed by political careerists who only care about votes and their own pensions rather than any sort of progressive ideology. The guy on the phone agreed and went spent a good 20 min just ripping apart the NDP and how depressing and hopeless the party is and canada in general. He didn't even ask for money. I told him everyone I know who tried to get involved in the NDP were so depressed by how the careerist braintrust running the party has all internal democracy on such lock-down it's hopeless to change it from the inside and now they're depressed husks that don't even vote now after seeing the NDP from the inside. He just sighed and said "I've been there, get that..." Then we bitched about Justin and his pride parade "progressive theatre" schtick. It was probably the best interaction I've had with the NDP for years.
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If anyone wants an example of how FPTP protects us against minority nuts, just look at the Republican primary. And if anyone wants an example of how FPTP's big tent parties are the best because they quiet radical voices, just look at the US general election.
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namaste faggots posted:Yet another tard who doesn't know what he's looking at I think I'm looking at Trump loving up his presidential bid?
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RBC posted:hey whats really cool is the united states is about to elect hitler 2.0 with a first past the post system in 2016 but lets not have representative democracy because problems vyelkin posted:If anyone wants an example of how FPTP protects us against minority nuts, just look at the Republican primary. At this time science is unable to provide us a President made up of 61% Hillary, 39% Trump. I understand you disagree with me, but your 'fptp is bad' examples should probably be confined to those situations where more than one person is being elected.
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:At this time science is unable to provide us a President made up of 61% Hillary, 39% Trump. I understand you disagree with me, but your 'fptp is bad' examples should probably be confined to those situations where more than one person is being elected. Nah. See, if the Republican primary was decided through PR (i.e. delegates were awarded proportionately rather than winner-take-all in each state) then Trump wouldn't be the Republican nominee, since he only won 45% of the vote which nevertheless got him 70% of the delegates. If he had 45% of the delegates instead, someone else would be the nominee. But instead, we get a race for president where one of the two candidates is a radical nut, since the selection process was decided by FPTP. Your "FPTP silences radical voices and that's good" stance is incorrect. vyelkin fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:At this time science is unable to provide us a President made up of 61% Hillary, 39% Trump. I understand you disagree with me, but your 'fptp is bad' examples should probably be confined to those situations where more than one person is being elected. so in other words you dont even know what first past the post is lol
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http://globalnews.ca/news/2863565/lethbridge-pub-owner-considers-cutting-staff-by-50-to-combat-minimum-wage-hike/quote:Lethbridge pub owner considers cutting staff by 50% to combat minimum wage hike  my lovely restaurant can't support employees on an almost living wage
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brucio posted:http://globalnews.ca/news/2863565/lethbridge-pub-owner-considers-cutting-staff-by-50-to-combat-minimum-wage-hike/ Wow, what an incompetent business owner if he can cut half his staff and not affect the customers' experience. For maximum efficiency he should have been operating at half the staff this whole time!
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vyelkin posted:Nah. Trump may have had only 45% of the delegates, but Cruz had 25%, and Rubio and Kasich had ~12% each. With 41 state victories under Trump's belt, and all the momentum those victories represented, it's not a sure bet that he'd have lost a contested convention.
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:Trump may have had only 45% of the delegates, but Cruz had 25%, and Rubio and Kasich had ~12% each. With 41 state victories under Trump's belt, and all the momentum those victories represented, it's not a sure bet that he'd have lost a contested convention. You're right, hypothetically Trump might still have won under PR. On the other hand, he absolutely won under FPTP, so
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I'm glad the American people enjoy an FPTP system that limits their choices to an unrelenting warmonger and Donald Trump. Other outcomes would be dangerous!
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The primary system itself is an awful nightmare of a political process
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Meanwhile, our own political process gave us the choice between creepy Tom, PM selfie and, uh,
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RBC posted:hey whats really cool is the united states is about to elect hitler 2.0 with a first past the post system in 2016 but lets not have representative democracy because problems This is demonstratively untrue.
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Brandon Proust posted:Meanwhile, our own political process gave us the choice between creepy Tom, PM selfie and, uh, Sounds like someone misses the Strong Stable Conservative Hand of the Free Market
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AlouetteNR posted:This is demonstratively untrue. For real. We can't really compare Hillary to Hitler until she's done killing people and we can get a final tally.
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Manitoba, Alberta, and British Columbia have all had systems other than FPTP. Apparently it is possible to revert back?
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Hexigrammus posted:Manitoba, Alberta, and British Columbia have all had systems other than FPTP. Apparently it is possible to revert back? BC's referendum on STV failed.
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Hexigrammus posted:Manitoba, Alberta, and British Columbia have all had systems other than FPTP. Apparently it is possible to revert back? Alberta had both STV (in the cities) and AV (in the countryside) going for a while, until So Cred abolished it to make it easier to get elected. People were apparently upset about it at the time, but re-elected them three more times, because our province has always been dumb as gently caress.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Funkdreamer posted:The poster is referring to the 1950s, when run-off voting was used instrumentally to subvert socialism. Gotcha.
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Funkdreamer posted:The poster is referring to the 1950s, when run-off voting was used instrumentally to subvert socialism. Fun fact, this actually backfired on the Liberals and PCs and brought about a Social Credit victory with the CCF close behind. They anticipated that Liberals and PCs would exchange preferences but these instead flowed to Social Credit (as did the CCF's). Master of Stealth fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Aug 4, 2016 |
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Manitoba had a mix of 3-4 ballot systems during the 1950s which actually resulted in the Communist Labour-Progressive Party getting a seat. People thought the alternative balloting was causing Winnipeg as a whole to be underrepresented so everyone switched back to FPTP.RBC posted:this but unironically I meant it totally unironically. Moving this country forward requires ideas from Political Parties that aren't Conservatives, Conservatives-Lite and Liberals-Lite.
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Fluffy Chainsaw posted:The reason those analogs don't exist in Canada is because we enjoy a system that does not permit them to flourish. "fascist movements rise and fall solely on electoral systems" is maybe the stupidest take on fascism ive ever seen
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I'd much rather fringe morons get 5 minutes in parliament to get murmured over and 0.6% of the vote than to infect the platform of a real party with anti-fluoride views or whatever their pet issue is. Plus it's a pipe dream of mine that maybe if we see more bills being floated by random people who don't belong to the traditional "enemy" party that it'll become more safe to start voting on the merits of a bill rather than by party line. Like I said, wishful thinking.
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Really I'd rather have fascism than Rob Ford as pm
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namaste faggots posted:Really Same but unironically.
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I don't think he was being ironic.
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Of course if you're American you don't have to choose because you can vote for Trump, though chances are we won't get to see what his administration would look like.
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Helsing posted:Of course if you're American you don't have to choose because you can vote for Trump, though chances are we won't get to see what his administration would look like. We live in a world where the UK voted to leave the EU, nothing makes sense anymore.
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No you see, the Nazi's gained power in Germany in 1933 due to PR... If the election was FPTP the Nazis would of gotten 99% of the seats anyways
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Can you imagine if some populist idiot managed to get elected? Who would rescue us then? Can we count on our noble Canadian forces officer corps to stage a coup?
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The RCMP are getting a headstart on http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/nova-scotia/rcmp-officer-cocaine-trafficking-craig-burnett-truro-1.3707108 quote:An RCMP staff sergeant in Nova Scotia has been charged with drug trafficking after an investigation into the theft of cocaine from an evidence locker last year.
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DariusLikewise posted:It was alleged the cocaine had been replaced with another substance and was given to another person, who then sold it and shared the profits. I like to think that the plan was going off without a hitch until another officer stopped by the evidence locker for a little pick me up and was like "wtf, this is flour!"
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