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Fender Anarchist: May 20, 2009; Fender Anarchist

CommieGIR posted:

So the same with 2-4mm difference in size?

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# ? May 26, 2024 11:43

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

CommieGIR posted:

So the same with 2-4mm difference in size?

More like a 10.3mm difference...where it counted the most.

Also, in plane news, I caught sight of this thing earlier - seems it's in flight at the moment, too:

Identifier N804X, owned by Northrop-Grumman and operated out of BWI. Not my picture, obviously - I was driving and couldn't get a shot with my phone.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Aug 5, 2016

# ? Aug 5, 2016 03:16

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

JSTARS replacement testing?

# ? Aug 5, 2016 03:34

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

Yup. They've pitched it a few times and it was briefly down at Robins AFB, but so far its just private enterprise pushing it, the JSTARS is scheduled to hold out till 2025, even the fleet has been halved to support maintenance.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 03:37

spookykid: Apr 28, 2006; I am an awkward fellow
after all

BIG HEADLINE posted:

More like a 10.3mm difference...where it counted the most.

Also, in plane news, I caught sight of this thing earlier - seems it's in flight at the moment, too:

Identifier N804X, owned by Northrop-Grumman and operated out of BWI. Not my picture, obviously - I was driving and couldn't get a shot with my phone.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 03:39

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Godholio posted:

JSTARS replacement testing?

Maybe - right now it's flying a Figure Eight pattern between Washington and Baltimore that turns at Eldersburg, MD and then around Annapolis. They're testing *something*.

Dannywilson posted:

No, that's this one:

Tu-134 modified for Tu-160 training.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Aug 5, 2016

# ? Aug 5, 2016 03:41

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Maybe - right now it's flying a Figure Eight pattern between Washington and Baltimore that turns at Eldersburg, MD and then around Annapolis. They're testing *something*.

Radar tests. They used to do this over i-75 with JSTARS to do training and testing.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 03:49

C.M. Kruger: Oct 28, 2013

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Maybe - right now it's flying a Figure Eight pattern between Washington and Baltimore that turns at Eldersburg, MD and then around Annapolis. They're testing *something*.

No, that's this one:

Tu-134 modified for Tu-160 training.

The Convair NC-131H total in-flight simulator.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 08:21

Ardeem: Sep 16, 2010; There is no problem that cannot be solved through sufficient application of lasers and friendship.

Huh, I never knew airplanes reproduced through mitosis.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 08:56

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

C.M. Kruger posted:

The Convair NC-131H total in-flight simulator.

There's an Xzibit meme here, I just know it.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 09:41

Duke Chin: Jan 11, 2002; _{^{Roger That:}}
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Nah just dick jokes.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 10:34

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

C.M. Kruger posted:

The Convair NC-131H total in-flight simulator.

How the gently caress does that work? The airplane flies for real, piloted by the crew in the cockpit, while the people in the forward bubble get to make believe they are the ones flying?

# ? Aug 5, 2016 10:49

BIG HEADLINE: Jun 13, 2006; "Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Cat Mattress posted:

How the gently caress does that work? The airplane flies for real, piloted by the crew in the cockpit, while the people in the forward bubble get to make believe they are the ones flying?

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Vi...lator-tifs.aspx

# ? Aug 5, 2016 11:08

CovfefeCatCafe: Apr 11, 2006; A fresh attitude
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Cat Mattress posted:

How the gently caress does that work? The airplane flies for real, piloted by the crew in the cockpit, while the people in the forward bubble get to make believe they are the ones flying?

The people in the front are actually flying, but the "feel" of the control surfaces can be changed to allow the airplane to behave like another aircraft. The main cabin lacks that equipment, and can fly the aircraft as normal.

I believe that bird was ~~designed~~ used for flight training the shuttle crew.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 11:08

NightGyr: Mar 7, 2005; I � Unicode

YF19pilot posted:

The people in the front are actually flying, but the "feel" of the control surfaces can be changed to allow the airplane to behave like another aircraft. The main cabin lacks that equipment, and can fly the aircraft as normal.

I believe that bird was ~~designed~~ used for flight training the shuttle crew.

It might have been used for development of the shuttle's aerodynamics, but the shuttle trainer aircraft was a Gulfstream. That would fly with gear down and reverse thrust to simulate the brick-like qualities of the shuttle as a glider:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuttle_Training_Aircraft

# ? Aug 5, 2016 11:56

Tetraptous: Nov 11, 2004; Dynamic instability during transition.

C.M. Kruger posted:

The Convair NC-131H total in-flight simulator.

As an undergrad, I had a professor who, earlier in his career at Calspan, was involved in the development of the NC-141H's spiritual successor, the NF-16D VISTA. VISTA had a set of programmable flight computers which could independently actuate the various control surfaces of the aircraft. The primary use of the aircraft was to provide handling qualities feedback early on in the development of flight control systems for then-next-generation NATO combat aircraft like the F-22, the Eurofighter Typhoon, and others. The flight control computer would simulate the dynamics of the proposed aircraft plus that aircraft's own control system. As the test pilot in the front seat provided feedback on the handling qualities of the simulated aircraft, an engineer in the rear seat could actually adjust the control constants in flight for the simulated flight control system to "tune" the performance of the aircraft until the pilot was happy with the results. VISTA was used for a number of other research purposes, testing robust control techniques to handle failures of control surfaces gracefully, adaptive "learning" control systems which would discover the flight dynamics of the plane as the pilot flew it, and eventually being adapted to study thrust vectoring. Altogether, a very neat machine.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 13:32

Lazy Gun: Apr 7, 2009; Fun Shoe

I know its a bit late, but how about a yf 23/f 22?

# ? Aug 5, 2016 16:43

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

A-12/A-12

# ? Aug 5, 2016 16:50

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Let's do an interesting one.

A-10C / B-25J (The nose full of .50s one not the bombadier glass one)

# ? Aug 5, 2016 17:35

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

EvilJoven posted:

Let's do an interesting one.

A-10C / B-25J (The nose full of .50s one not the bombadier glass one)

No no no, the XB-25G/A-10C

# ? Aug 5, 2016 17:38

CovfefeCatCafe: Apr 11, 2006; A fresh attitude
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OV-10A Bronco/Ford Bronco

# ? Aug 5, 2016 20:50

lilbeefer: Oct 4, 2004

A4 / F14

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:04

bloops: Dec 31, 2010; Thanks Ape Pussy!

A 707 and Emily Blunt because they are both gorgeous triumphs of mankind

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:22

Finger Prince: Jan 5, 2007

Antonov AN-225/Your mom's dildo

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:28

Marathanes: Jun 13, 2009

Was biking this morning on the lakefront in Chicago and saw this vaguely insane looking heli doing some slingloading on Lakeshore Drive. Looks almost Russian or at least old to me, but I'm no expert.

Sorry for potato picture quality.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:54

priznat: Jul 7, 2009; Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

That looks like a Sikorsky H-34/S-58

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-34

# ? Aug 5, 2016 21:58

kathmandu: Jul 11, 2004

priznat posted:

That looks like a Sikorsky H-34/S-58

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_H-34

I'm 99% certain I saw the same helicopter a few weeks ago, putting some kind of machinery onto a skyscraper rooftop in Chicago. Pretty confident it's this one: http://www.midwesthelicopters.com/Helicopter_Heavy_Lift.html

S-58 converted to a turbine engine.

edit: I was also biking when I saw it :tinfoil:

kathmandu fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Aug 5, 2016

# ? Aug 5, 2016 22:05

priznat: Jul 7, 2009; Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Could be a Westland Wessex, licensed version that were turbine by default!

E: ah no it says on the page, 58T. Neat!

I used to watch the tv show "riptide" and they had a S-58 for some reason.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 22:06

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

priznat posted:

Could be a Westland Wessex, licensed version that were turbine by default!

E: ah no it says on the page, 58T. Neat!

I used to watch the tv show "riptide" and they had a S-58 for some reason.

It was the only vehicle cooler than Rick Simon's Power Wagon or Thomas Magnum's Ferrari.

# ? Aug 5, 2016 22:38

winnydpu: May 3, 2007; Sugartime Jones

Marathanes posted:

Was biking this morning on the lakefront in Chicago and saw this vaguely insane looking heli doing some slingloading on Lakeshore Drive. Looks almost Russian or at least old to me, but I'm no expert.

The company that owns that one operates out of a parking lot in a light industrial park in the Chicago suburb of Hinsdale. You can see them from I-55 when you are heading south. When I was flying out of Clow (1C5) they would come in some times for fuel. The pilot was a 5'0" girl who sounded about 13 on the radio and operated the biggest machine on the field.

Here they are doing a demo at an open house for the airport:

# ? Aug 5, 2016 22:54

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# ? Aug 6, 2016 01:41

Duke Chin: Jan 11, 2002; _{^{Roger That:}}
MILK CRATES INBOUND

_{_{^{- FUCK THE HABS -}}}

http://i.imgur.com/ekLk8cT.mp4

# ? Aug 6, 2016 02:34

CarForumPoster: Jun 26, 2013; â¡POWERâ¡

CommieGIR posted:

Yup. They've pitched it a few times and it was briefly down at Robins AFB, but so far its just private enterprise pushing it, the JSTARS is scheduled to hold out till 2025, even the fleet has been halved to support maintenance.

Likely something, probably not Jstars.

# ? Aug 6, 2016 03:14

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

That one actually IS testing equipment for the replacement.

# ? Aug 6, 2016 03:22

CarForumPoster: Jun 26, 2013; â¡POWERâ¡

Godholio posted:

That one actually IS testing equipment for the replacement.

Right, I'm saying I doubt there are multiple aircraft testbeds on totally different airframes for the same contract.

More likely one is some avionics testbed (probably radome nose and canoe spotted above) and one is known to be JSTARS specifically.

# ? Aug 6, 2016 03:30

Chillbro Baggins: Oct 8, 2004; Bad Angus! Bad!

Captain Postal posted:

If we're talking aircraft of similar payload, range and mission, B-17G vs F-15E

Seconded.

Or, since you've already got the F-15C handy, it vs. it's WWII equivalent (P-51, as best fighter evarrr, or maybe P-47, as best fighter until P-51 and then good ground-attack after there was a better fighter).

Edit: A preview:

Obviously some perspective fuckery with the long camera lens, but if anything it makes the small ones look bigger.

Chillbro Baggins fucked around with this message at 04:49 on Aug 6, 2016

# ? Aug 6, 2016 04:40

joat mon: Oct 15, 2009; I am the master of my lamp;
I am the captain of my tub.

Delivery McGee posted:

Seconded.

Or, since you've already got the F-15C handy, it vs. it's WWII equivalent (P-51, as best fighter evarrr, or maybe P-47, as best fighter until P-51 and then good ground-attack after there was a better fighter).

Edit: A preview:

Obviously some perspective fuckery with the long camera lens, but if anything it makes the small ones look bigger.

You misspelled F4U. Twice.
(But you got really really close)

# ? Aug 6, 2016 05:02