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Polybius91 posted:I've heard people say this about Infinite, but the message I got was more along the lines of "Oppression creates anger and resentment, which tend to express themselves in ugly ways that leave collateral damage even when they're justified." Which I think there's historical precedent for. I see it as all the more reason to attempt to nip oppression in the bud at every opportunity, really ¯\ The game's story (sans the multiple universe woo) is just reproducing over 200 years of conservative and moderate anglophone rumination on the French Revolution. You're giving a more Charles Dickens take than I'm personally willing to give the game credit for given that no one in Comstock's 19th century US racist utopia talked about the necessity of root-and-branch genocide of the underclass while holding a knife to a child's neck.
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The protagonist literally claims that the only difference between the rebel leader and the prophet who deliberately designed a racist hellhole a their names. And also, the place is young enough that everyone living there deliberately chose to live in the most racist place on earth, where people hold raffles with the prize being "stone interracial couples to death"
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I think I'd have to play the game or read a detailed plot synopsis to really participate in this discussion fully, but am I right in reading the consensus as "angry guerilla revolutionaries wouldn't vent any ugliness or rage on their former oppressors if the tables turned, and that's why Infinite is problematic"? Because they most certainly would, right? I don't mean for that to sound like a strawman, but I'm not really seeing the problematic bit unless the game is telling you their revolt wasn't justified and things were better when they were oppressed. I take it more to mean "violent revolution is only worth it up to a certain point", that point being cruelty.Magnusth posted:The protagonist literally claims that the only difference between the rebel leader and the prophet who deliberately designed a racist hellhole a their names. And also, the place is young enough that everyone living there deliberately chose to live in the most racist place on earth, where people hold raffles with the prize being "stone interracial couples to death" Fair enough, if that's the position of the game then I see why people would take issue with it. Deified Data has a new favorite as of 17:53 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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Deified Data posted:I think I'd have to play the game or read a detailed plot synopsis to really participate in this discussion Yep.
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"Men's rights" (and MGTOW) are stupid because if you really want to focus on men and not think about women at all, you can just do that without gender branding. If you care about how men are treated in prison, you can just advocate for "prisoners rights" and no one will notice or give a poo poo if you never talk about e.g. pregnancy. To focus specifically on the rights of men in contrast to women is perverse, it's pretty much akin to advocating white history month. The best MRA is a harmless idiot who may actually wind up doing good (yes please make men less violent), whereas the worst radfem is pretty bad because even though they live in a separatist commune on the moon where there are no genders or penises, (a) they sneak online to try to get trans women back on Earth doxxed, fired, shamed, erased, killed, and (b) when they reify wombynhood by having children, I guess they kick them off the moon, because even if they are born without penises, they are not "socialized female" by their moon lesbian separatist society, and thus do not have the magical soul of womanhood. They are Not Women; they have like philosophical zombie vaginas or something.
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Deified Data posted:I think I'd have to play the game or read a detailed plot synopsis to really participate in this discussion fully, but am I right in reading the consensus as "angry guerilla revolutionaries wouldn't vent any ugliness or rage on their former oppressors if the tables turned, and that's why Infinite is problematic"? Because they most certainly would, right? I don't mean for that to sound like a strawman, but I'm not really seeing the problematic bit unless the game is telling you their revolt wasn't justified and things were better when they were oppressed. I take it more to mean "violent revolution is only worth it up to a certain point", that point being cruelty. Stop talking about things you know nothing about and take the word of the five~ people who literally all agree that it's bad and presents a lovely worldview.
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Magnusth posted:Yeah, I was an idiot. I knew that TERFs were aholes, but I haven't had that much interactions with them except reading one or two blog posts. My bad. Sorry I didn't mean to pile on, I just wanted to dunk on radfems like a bitter transgenderismist.
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Sax Solo posted:Sorry I didn't mean to pile on, I just wanted to dunk on radfems like a bitter transgenderismist. Yeah, I know. It just felt appropriate to actually make it clear I was wrong after the debate that started. Not directed at anyone in particular
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Deified Data posted:I haven't played Infinite, but what's the context of this? "People in power are lovely to those that aren't" isn't a terribly controversial statement, I thought? Daisey, the (black) leader of the oppressed revolutionaries, takes her sweet time murdering an innocent (and white) child later on when the revolution starts rolling. There is no reason for her to do this beyond showing that she really deserved being treated like subhuman filth by the fascist authorities she's rebelling against.
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Lady Naga posted:Stop talking about things you know nothing about and take the word of the five~ people who literally all agree that it's bad and presents a lovely worldview. I explained that I had my question answered to my satisfaction at the end of the post you quoted, but also here's a good article on the subject if anyone else was looking for clarification. I concede whatever point I was trying to make. It sounds like the game clearly paints violent revolution and violent oppression with the same moral brush.
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Deified Data posted:It sounds like the game clearly paints violent revolution and violent oppression with the same moral brush. And it does so with zero subtlety in a way that makes it very clear that the writers didn't put any effort towards understanding the history of race relations in America.
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Rhukatah posted:Daisey, the (black) leader of the oppressed revolutionaries, takes her sweet time murdering an innocent (and white) child later on when the revolution starts rolling. There is no reason for her to do this beyond showing that she really deserved being treated like subhuman filth by the fascist authorities she's rebelling against. It was the child of the robber baron I believe also the dlc retcons it in a massively retarded degree and makes it even dumber.
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GunnerJ posted:What's the retcon, I'm interested but will never play the DLC. Basically the luteses have been helping Fitzroy. And she is fine with killing fink but not the kid. They tell her she has to so Elizabeth can kill her so she can be broken enough to erase comstock and she can become a martyr. It's dumb as poo poo. I liked to the dlc because I got to see suchong from bioshock 1 die, other then that and some interesting background fluff about rapture and songbird it's meh Dapper_Swindler has a new favorite as of 21:41 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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What says a lot to me is the fact that Davis Aurini loved the game and especially how Fitzroy was portrayed.
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:How does the AltRight view Watch_Dogs and it's horrible protagonist? Who knows. They hate the new one because black activist protagonist, I think it looks cool. 1 was boring as poo poo
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:How does the AltRight view Watch_Dogs and it's horrible protagonist? Like everyone else, they don't.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Like everyone else, they don't. See that's weird to me cause Aiden Pierce not only seems like an idiot they would like, but an Alt Right member himself who ignores his follies. Plus the power fantasy of being the HAXXOR OF JUSTICE
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:See that's weird to me cause Aiden Pierce not only seems like an idiot they would like, but an Alt Right member himself who ignores his follies. Plus the power fantasy of being the HAXXOR OF JUSTICE The problem being that he, and the game he's in, are both really loving boring
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The problem being that he, and the game he's in, are both really loving boring Haven't played it so I wouldn't know Makes sense though
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:Haven't played it so I wouldn't know Yeah it's poo poo. 2 looks interesting though.
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Watch_dogs was a hilariously broken game and suffers from trying to be a dramatic storyline in a sandbox settings. Hence, "HOW DARE THEY TAKE MY FAMILY FROM ME *spends 10 hours stalking people in the streets to earn cash and exp*" That poo poo is fine in like Zelda but in a game pushing itself as Super Serious Game it ruins the effect.
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Tesseraction posted:Watch_dogs was a hilariously broken game and suffers from trying to be a dramatic storyline in a sandbox settings. Hence, "HOW DARE THEY TAKE MY FAMILY FROM ME *spends 10 hours stalking people in the streets to earn cash and exp*" It also has the major issue I had with that and bioshock infinite. Was the Frankenstein togetherness story. Ideas and themes and plots from different design stages jammed together along with no thought of structure or nuances. It's why pierce is all over the place with motivations and other poo poo and plot lines feel all mixed up or dropped. Same with bioshock infinite.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:It also has the major issue I had with that and bioshock infinite. Was the Frankenstein togetherness story. Ideas and themes and plots from different design stages jammed together along with no thought of structure or nuances. It's why pierce is all over the place with motivations and other poo poo and plot lines feel all mixed up or dropped. Same with bioshock infinite. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw9cwOcdqs4
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Watch_Dogs had 0 dogs I hope the sequel will address this problem
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Nessus posted:Watch_Dogs had 0 dogs All signs suggest that it does!
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Nessus posted:Watch_Dogs had 0 dogs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNnTOqgSHQ0
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This does raise an interesting question, though - how do you smoothly integrate a story, let alone a dramatic one, with sandbox gameplay? Has any game managed this?
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Darth Walrus posted:This does raise an interesting question, though - how do you smoothly integrate a story, let alone a dramatic one, with sandbox gameplay? Has any game managed this? That's a derail for this thread so..
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Darth Walrus posted:This does raise an interesting question, though - how do you smoothly integrate a story, let alone a dramatic one, with sandbox gameplay? Has any game managed this? Witcher 3. Anyway, let's move on...
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TomViolence posted:Witcher 3. Anyway, let's move on... This. Witcher 3 knocks it out of the park. Anyway,So does irl Kane(Owen I think) actually believe half the sad poo poo he screeches about. He is just the most pathetic gently caress out of all the alt righters. Dude tries so hard to be edgy and "intellectual" it's not even funny. You can tell he feels insecure as gently caress.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:This. Witcher 3 knocks it out of the park. Anyway,So does irl Kane(Owen I think) actually believe half the sad poo poo he screeches about. He is just the most pathetic gently caress out of all the alt righters. Dude tries so hard to be edgy and "intellectual" it's not even funny. You can tell he feels insecure as gently caress. I'm more secure in my life than every alt right person, and I still haven't found a new therapist since June
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Dapper_Swindler posted:This. Witcher 3 knocks it out of the park. Anyway,So does irl Kane(Owen I think) actually believe half the sad poo poo he screeches about. He is just the most pathetic gently caress out of all the alt righters. Dude tries so hard to be edgy and "intellectual" it's not even funny. You can tell he feels insecure as gently caress. Aurini's the bald one, Owen's the bathtub guy Also the Witcher 3 definitely told a good story using a sandbox setting but I'd like to mention Fallout New Vegas for its ability to draw almost every quest and sidequest into the main story so that everything had a visible effect on how the final battle plays out.
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Twerkteam Pizza posted:I'm more secure in my life than every alt right person, and I still haven't found a new therapist since June Me too. I go to college, have a healthy relationship with a wonderful girl and I have healthy variety of interests and hobbies. These dudes get too wrapped up the appearance of something rather then actual thing. I am fat cripple who drinks milk and juicy juice in public. I don't need to justify my " masculinity" DarklyDreaming posted:Aurini's the bald one, Owen's the bathtub guy DarklyDreaming posted:Aurini's the bald one, Owen's the bathtub guy Ok always get them confused,
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