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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Recoome posted:

I honestly thought it revolved more around some kind of moral panic about Islam, rather than being persecuted (at least until now). My opinion is that the ultranationalist groups have only introduced the persecution part into the discourse this year, seeing as they've only had like one somewhat successful rally in Perth.

I always assumed the reason they're panicked is because they think Muslims are getting all the advantages at their expense, and it's only a matter of time until they take over completely.

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Zenithe
Feb 25, 2013

Ask not to whom the Anidavatar belongs; it belongs to thee.

There is no [citation needed] big enough

Fanatic
Mar 9, 2006

:eyepop:
Can someone explain to me the uproar in regards to providing my name and address on the Census and how it is any different to doing so on countless other documents that the government already possess on me (e.g. driver's licence, passport, medicare, ATO etc)?

Like sure it could get hacked, but presumably all these other things could get hacked too? idgi :shrug:

birdstrike
Oct 30, 2008

i;m gay
Just put some punctuation in; between your-name so the government can't get information on you, the living soul

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Re:- Coome

Starshark
Dec 22, 2005
Doctor Rope

Solemn Sloth posted:

I actually don't think Culleton should be sentenced to over 12 months jail over what he's done

I think he should get the chair.

The CHAIR.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Documents about asylum-seeker boat turnbacks, which the government is arguing must be kept secret for national security reasons, have been accidentally handed to Guardian Australia by the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.

:vince:

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

SynthOrange posted:

Documents about asylum-seeker boat turnbacks, which the government is arguing must be kept secret for national security reasons, have been accidentally handed to Guardian Australia by the Department of Immigration and Border Protection.

:vince:

loving hell yes please please please please publish

e: this is like old hat but hahahahahaha like goddamn publishing the numbers doesn't actually weaken anything (unless you are hiding something)

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

Recoome posted:

loving hell yes please please please please publish

e: this is like old hat but hahahahahaha like goddamn publishing the numbers doesn't actually weaken anything (unless you are hiding something)

almost as if they've been lying publicly for the last 3 years

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Coalition policy working?
No, new boat arrivals!

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
https://twitter.com/JacquiLambie/status/762438024894349312

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jacqui was right

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

QUACKTASTIC posted:

Coalition policy working?
No, new boat arrivals!

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Fanatic posted:

Can someone explain to me the uproar in regards to providing my name and address on the Census and how it is any different to doing so on countless other documents that the government already possess on me (e.g. driver's licence, passport, medicare, ATO etc)?

Like sure it could get hacked, but presumably all these other things could get hacked too? idgi :shrug:
You provide information on the basis that you are receiving something for which that data is required (Driver's licence, tax return). The ATO, don't need to know your health history etc. This is not the case with the census where it is the aggregate of data that is the worthwhile bit (Longitudinal data issues not withstanding).

There is no reason to attach your name to information that you may now falsify rather than report honestly as you have before. It's a monumental erosion of the trust and faith that people once had in the ABS and atm couldn't be a more spectacularly badly run PR train wreck. Data privacy is especially sensitive as the online Indelibility aspect of your life didn't exist 20 years ago. Anyone who says your online data is 100% safe is at best deluded and usually flat out lying. The Statistician has said precisely this on numerous recent occasions.

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

I'm surprised no one's mentioned Xenophon's challenge to the ABS to sue him for leaving his name and address off his census tomorrow. Seems a mighty big play, isn't that also encouragement to others?

White supremacist conspiracy theories seem to work the same as anti-semitism, being persecuted by a shadowy cabal is a common MO for racists. Let me guess, in this case it's the lefty media in cahoots with burquas who plan to eradicate all resistance by means of a weak ungodly state being bribed with ARE TAXES to do their bidding.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
SHY has joined Xenophon's protest.

Also
https://twitter.com/Colvinius/status/762514728908304384

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Rodney Culleton's larceny charge was annulled.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



People are saying that the census data this year will be less useful because people wont fill them out correctly due to privacy worries. Whats the chances thats desired outcome, weakening the abs? :tinfoil:

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

If there's one thing fascists love it's accurate data. ABS will probably survive long after the health and education departments have been shut down.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Hockey cut their budget in 2014

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

Is anyone else finding hilarious the new senators who, apparently unfamiliar with the role of the senate, are demanding this and that? Dickheads, you're a house of review, not as house of suggestion. Try for a lower house seat if you want to dictate the policies put up for review, but in the meantime, stfu. Special shout outs to our incompetent media for not ridiculing these thickies.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

Birdstrike posted:

Just put some punctuation in; between your-name so the government can't get information on you, the living soul

I'm John Smith, representing the legal entity JOHN SMITH.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Is anyone else finding hilarious the new senators who, apparently unfamiliar with the role of the senate, are demanding this and that? Dickheads, you're a house of review, not as house of suggestion. Try for a lower house seat if you want to dictate the policies put up for review, but in the meantime, stfu. Special shout outs to our incompetent media for not ridiculing these thickies.

No it isn't. The senate can introduce bills other than taxation and appropriation. If you're going to scream about people not knowing how the system works, get your poo poo right.

Fuckface the Hedgehog
Jun 12, 2007

SynthOrange posted:

Please, you havent been persecuted til you've joined the Democrats

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

An idiot clock is right once in a while.

PaletteSwappedNinja
Jun 3, 2008

One Nation, Under God.

Dedicated seats for indigineous australians is not something I expected to see on this list.

"Involuntary detox centres" uhhhhhhhh

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Is anyone else finding hilarious the new senators who, apparently unfamiliar with the role of the senate, are demanding this and that? Dickheads, you're a house of review, not as house of suggestion. Try for a lower house seat if you want to dictate the policies put up for review, but in the meantime, stfu. Special shout outs to our incompetent media for not ridiculing these thickies.

Yes, no senators could ever influence the government like they have been doing every single time one party doesn't have a majority.

G-Spot Run
Jun 28, 2005

Brian Harradine.

G-Spot Run fucked around with this message at 09:44 on Aug 8, 2016

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

Dedicated seats for indigineous australians is not something I expected to see on this list.

"Involuntary detox centres" uhhhhhhhh

Involuntary detox centres already exist though :confused:

I don't support it but it's not the most fringe loony idea Lambie has. On the other hand I don't know why something that is already part of Australian law in a number of states is on the list of demands.

Nibbles!
Jun 26, 2008

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

make australia great again as well please

Solemn Sloth posted:

No it isn't. The senate can introduce bills other than taxation and appropriation. If you're going to scream about people not knowing how the system works, get your poo poo right.

Yeah, the Senate was specifically set up NOT to be a house of review. It was intended to be the State's house.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

Huh turns out this is the guy arrested on terrorism charges:



BIKE HELMEEEETS

Senor Tron
May 26, 2006


Nibbles! posted:

Yeah, the Senate was specifically set up NOT to be a house of review. It was intended to be the State's house.

This.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Senate_Briefs/Brief10

The lower and upper houses have very similar powers, the main difference is that the lower house majority gets to form government, while the upper house gets extra powers of review.

BlitzkriegOfColour
Aug 22, 2010

Solemn Sloth posted:

No it isn't. The senate can introduce bills other than taxation and appropriation. If you're going to scream about people not knowing how the system works, get your poo poo right.

Welp, I hosed up. In the future I will fact check everything I post.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008


:australia:

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/commonwealth-bank-staff-implicated-in-alleged-76m-fraud-20160204-gmllia.html posted:


Commonwealth Bank staff were allegedly complicit in a $76 million Ponzi scheme and received secret commissions for their role in the alleged fraud, which was ignored by the bank's management for almost five years - until police were alerted.

The alleged architects of the scam, professional poker player Bill Jordanou and accountant Robert Zaia, will face court in February 2017 and have indicated they will plead not guilty to almost 100 fraud and deception offences.
CBA's $4.6 billion first half profit should bode well for the performance of other domestic banks, analysts say.
CBA's $4.6 billion first half profit should bode well for the performance of other domestic banks, analysts say. Photo: Glenn Hunt

Mr Jordanou and Mr Zaia are accused of using forged documents to borrow millions of dollars for several property developments that never got off the ground.

Funds were allegedly siphoned from clients' accounts without their consent.

Documents obtained by Fairfax Media reveal the extent of the bank's involvement and its alarming probity failings.

The CBA initially blocked the release of internal documents and emails, but was compelled by a court order to hand them over to one of the victims - Melbourne property developer Nick Fotopoulos - who lost more than $5 million and has launched a civil action against the bank.
Bill Jordanou is one of the alleged architects of the elaborate scam.
Bill Jordanou is one of the alleged architects of the elaborate scam. Photo: Joe Armao

A CBA spokeswoman declined to make any comment while the matter was before court.

Australia's biggest lender also refused to explain why it failed to alert police of fraud allegations involving Mr Jordanou and Mr Zaia until 2011, despite being aware of them in February 2007.
Accountant Robert Zaia.
Accountant Robert Zaia.

At least two mobile lenders, employed by CBA to visit clients at their home or place of work (and whom Fairfax has decided not to name), were involved in the alleged fraud but were never charged with any offences.

Several other bank employees processed dozens of loan applications, which were supported by allegedly forged documents.

One of the mobile lenders died suddenly from a brain aneurysm in 2007, while the other is expected to testify against Mr Jordanou and Mr Zaia in court next year.

In an email on August 11 2010, one of the mobile lenders was asked by Mr Jordanou to provide the undrawn balances and monthly loan repayments of eight CBA customers.
Professional poker player, Bill Jordanou.

Professional poker player, Bill Jordanou.

Allegedly forged documents were provided and CBA staff arranged for funds to be transferred between accounts in an apparent bid to avoid detection by customers or bank security.

A bank employee warned Mr Jordanou that one client was in arrears and said: "I don't want to do a mock application for him, as it may automatically place him in a lower category and therefore be declined on the spot."

The payment of secret commissions to mobile lenders appears to have been confirmed during a recorded interview between Mr Zaia and a lawyer on November 23, 2011.

"Yeah he was our contact, he would come into our office ... and he would get paid a commission on the side which is undisclosed," Mr Zaia said to a solicitor at Frenkel Partners.

Two sources linked to Zaia Arthur & Associates told Fairfax Media that both men spent significant amounts of time at the accountant's Scoresby office and received secret payments.

The sources said one of them was also given overseas flights, televisions and alcohol during his decade-long association with Mr Jordanou and Mr Zaia.

One of the CBA lending managers lived in a Narre Warren South home that was later transferred into the name of Mr Jordanou's wife, Sue Jordanou.

Mr Jordanou was a pallbearer at his funeral in 2007.

Mildura plasterer Jim Barker and wife Debbie were the first to raise the alarm when two unauthorised withdrawals totalling $26,000 were made from Ms Barker's account.

The couple also reported to the CBA's fraud investigation unit that a document that stated Mr Barker was paid an annual salary of $343,000 had been forged with the complicity of bank staff to obtain a loan of $1.5 million.
Mildura plasterer Jim Barker and his wife Debbie were the first to raise the alarm - in 2007.

Mildura plasterer Jim Barker and his wife Debbie were the first to raise the alarm - in 2007. Photo: Louise Donges/Sunraysia Daily

At the time, Mr Barker earned about $80,000 and was unable to service the loan

CBA assessment analyst Andrew Rutherford confirmed their suspicions in an email in May 2007.

"From my initial review of this matter the original loan document ... contains a false statement of employment."

"I am now pursuing the fraud matter of the loan documents, and have requested they report the matter to Scoresby police and present the bank with statutory declarations with their version of events," Mr Rutherford said in the 2007 email.

But the CBA did not contact police until 2011.

While the bank agreed to refund $26,000 for the unauthorised withdrawals, the Barkers were eventually forced to sell their 38 hectare property after the CBA refused to accept the loan documents had also been forged.

Despite a recent claim to be the nation's most "ethical bank", the CBA has rejected requests for compensation and pursued legal action to repossess homes from at least four other customers who claimed their loans were acquired with allegedly fraudulent documents linked Zaia Arthur & Associates.

These latest allegations come as CBA remains under scrutiny from the corporate regulator and Commonwealth government over serious misconduct inside its financial planning division from 2003 to 2012 that put the retirement savings of thousands of customers at risk.

Several CBA financial planners have been banned from practising by the Australian Securities and Investment Commission for providing inappropriate advice, overcharging on commissions and fees, and in some cases, allegedly committing acts of fraud.

CBA recently revealed its review has found more than 1 in 10 files are "missing" for customers who have applied to have their records, accounts and investments reviewed as part of its compensation scheme.

A CBA spokesperson said "CBA has zero tolerance to bribery, corruption and facilitation payments across the business and will continue to cooperate with the police and the legal process as this complicated issue unfolds in the courts."

what was the can of worms emoji again

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

norp posted:

I still think that bolt is some kind of twisted performance art.

The play Kill Climate Deniers made addendum after Bolt had a fit about it, making your weird thoughts come true

The Peccadillo
Mar 4, 2013

We Have Important Work To Do

GrandMaster posted:

Oh my god, the 730 interview with Culleton is golden.
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2016/s4510194.htm


LAUREN DAY: And why the burqa should be banned?

ROD CULLETON: (Laughs) I tend to think Muslim women, you know, would be very attractive women. I mean, why do they have to hide their face?

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

quote:

China labels Australia 'offshore prison' in Olympic drugs row
Chinese media slams Australia and gold medallist Mack Horton after he labelled swim star Sun Yang a drug cheat, with one paper saying "no-one should be surprised at uncivilised acts emanating from the country".

Chinese hissy fit surprisingly accurate

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

BlitzkriegOfColour posted:

Welp, I hosed up. In the future I will fact check everything I post.

In the actual Westminster system, the upper house is one of review. That's because the upper house is unelected though and thus has no mandate

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Redcordial
Nov 7, 2009

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

lol the country is fed up with your safe spaces and trigger warnings you useless special snowflakes, send the sjws to mexico
Urghh I'm so tired of seeing/hearing people talk about such trivialities as Political Correctness and SJW's.. Luckily only a few people that I know are stupid enough to regurgitate this poo poo.

It's always the same people, and they just can't seem to get over whatever internal conflict it is that pushes them to communicate their frustrations with the world, on a daily basis.
I know it's a manifestation of multiple thought processes and behavioural traits and tendencies, but to think that loving SJW's and PC Gone Mad are worthy of your utmost attention is loving skewed.

I'm just ranting, so feel free to ignore me, but if I don't vent after a long day of classes and group work I will forever be bitter at this cruel world..

Hearing the ridiculous pejorative of SJW is like the new I'm Not A Racist, But.. of indicating someone is about to poo poo out of their mouth. gently caress anyone who uses SJW as a serious label, especially as a pejorative, loving neoliberals....

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