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Mr. Wookums posted:Few quirks with the badlands atm and I"m working from memory so names might be a bit off. Either Iron Rock or V* Sorrow (settlement south of Iron Rock) are AI catnip. Until you are ready to push north into the dwarfs Iron Rock should probably be rubble. Both Black Craig and to a lesser extent the Peaks capitals can handle themselves against a stack or two of dwarfs, so your attention should be to the south where you can win with nothing but gobbos and t1 orcs. I'm not sure about the easier difficulties, but you cannot beat the dwarfs at t1/1.5 without the waagh and if they don't have targets and are in range of an enemy, they need to have targets. So I think I'm playing on normal/normal, but this is what I did and it worked fairly well. I mostly ignored the Dwarfs and took over all the other Greenskin territories, to the point where I have all of the Badlands conquered including the far SE and SW. Now I can turn my attention to the Dwarfs while not having to worry about all that crap, at least the Border Princes or whatever don't seem to want to cross the river to get to me. My problem now is that while I was teching up my building, I never retrofitted my armies. Going up against Dwarfs at turn 130 with Goblins is not working out so well. What do people's typical Greenskin armies look like? I think the only building I am missing right now is the spider stuff, which I am building now. I can do Giants, etc. Also, what do people do with their provinces? I am doing mostly the support buildings (garrison / money / obedience builings) on the small settlements, and stuff that needs T4/T5 buildings for units in my capitals, but I have more capitals that I need at this point...
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Aug 8, 2016 20:43
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Finally getting around to playing Empire and, man, they're a lot harder than Beastmen. I miss being able to just buy 4-6 minotaurs and 3-5 raiders and destroy everyone.
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Aug 8, 2016 21:36
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Plan Z posted:So I guess for anyone who doesn't know, you can hold down right click on the campaign map, and it will show you how much of your movement bar a particular move will use. I wish I knew this in my Chaos campaign. I was on about my third campaign before I noticed this, it's really helpful.
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Aug 8, 2016 21:41
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Mr. Wookums posted:Few quirks with the badlands atm and I"m working from memory so names might be a bit off. Either Iron Rock or V* Sorrow (settlement south of Iron Rock) are AI catnip. Until you are ready to push north into the dwarfs Iron Rock should probably be rubble. Both Black Craig and to a lesser extent the Peaks capitals can handle themselves against a stack or two of dwarfs, so your attention should be to the south where you can win with nothing but gobbos and t1 orcs. I'm not sure about the easier difficulties, but you cannot beat the dwarfs at t1/1.5 without the waagh and if they don't have targets and are in range of an enemy, they need to have targets. So my first two games found that out quickly.. Iron Rock and V*sorrow were just invites for tons of raiding stacks from rival greenskins and marching invitations from the dwarves. Is a "Abandon Black Crag" for SW corner of the badlands a viable tactic? As for Army composition, I'm feeling like it'll be stacks of black orcs/couple giants and lots of artillery for optimum dwarf bashing?
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Aug 8, 2016 21:43
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TipsyMcStagger posted:As for Army composition, I'm feeling like it'll be stacks of black orcs/couple giants and lots of artillery for optimum dwarf bashing?
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Aug 8, 2016 21:47
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Internet Explorer posted:So I think I'm playing on normal/normal, but this is what I did and it worked fairly well. I mostly ignored the Dwarfs and took over all the other Greenskin territories, to the point where I have all of the Badlands conquered including the far SE and SW. Now I can turn my attention to the Dwarfs while not having to worry about all that crap, at least the Border Princes or whatever don't seem to want to cross the river to get to me. My problem now is that while I was teching up my building, I never retrofitted my armies. Going up against Dwarfs at turn 130 with Goblins is not working out so well. Off the top of my memory, my generic greenskin army once I was established was something like: 4 black orcs, 4 big uns, 2 specials (giants and/or arachnaroks), a shaman (their buffs are underrated imo), 2 orc boar boyz (save big uns if possible), 5 artillery, and 2 goblin spider rider archers. There was a lot of variation but you get the general idea. I'd also have cheaper versions without the special monsters and less artillery but more arrer boyz and/or night goblin archers, and some that had even more cavalry at the expense of some big uns or artillery. A fun thing to do against the AI dwarfs is to load up on artillery and make them come to you while harassing them with cavalry. The ratio of black orcs to big uns can change based on what you are fighting and whether you need a lot of AP or not. No matter what I like to have at least 4 or so of them due to their high armor and high leadership. Even cheapy garrison armies can use a few black orcs to help keep the army from chain routing.
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Aug 8, 2016 21:49
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TipsyMcStagger posted:So my first two games found that out quickly.. Iron Rock and V*sorrow were just invites for tons of raiding stacks from rival greenskins and marching invitations from the dwarves. "Abandon Black Crag" worked out pretty well for me, yeah, or at least commit to not worrying about completing the province. Black Crag is strong and can withstand all but the most dedicated assaults early in the game. My VH campaign is going decently, I almost feel a bit too lucky. As I said I took out the Dwarfs and every other Greenskin tribe before Chaos arrived, but by the time I got my 4 armies + waaaghs (with 2 defense armies left in the Badlands) marching up through Averland the Empire had already fallen to Chaos. Not sure if I should let Archaeon & co. do my work for me while I mess with someone else or if I should just make a mad dash towards Chaos and snag my short victory and call it a day.
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Aug 8, 2016 21:58
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Deified Data posted:"Abandon Black Crag" worked out pretty well for me, yeah, or at least commit to not worrying about completing the province. Black Crag is strong and can withstand all but the most dedicated assaults early in the game. On turn 40 of my 4th game I had 2 stacks of Barak Varr, 2 stacks of dwarves and 2 stacks of karak anzul right on black crag with my army inside it... Needless to say i didn't win that fight.
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Aug 8, 2016 22:13
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TipsyMcStagger posted:
That's serious overkill for dwarves. Late game they have basically no answer to most of your units. You never really to move beyond the trolls screened by goblins stage to crush dwarves
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Aug 8, 2016 22:57
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Plan Z posted:So I guess for anyone who doesn't know, you can hold down right click on the campaign map, and it will show you how much of your movement bar a particular move will use. I wish I knew this in my Chaos campaign. it took me a full chaos short campaign, then a few turns of a beastman campaign to realize that you don't have to encamp to generate growth anymore  gently caress you visigoths campaign aaaaaaaaaaarrrghhhhh
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Aug 9, 2016 00:21
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It's pretty remarkable just how different the Empire campaign feels compared to Beastmen or WoC. It's like I'm laying Medieval 3 with some sort of fantasy add-on. Major annoyances right now are upkeep costs, how no other loving faction on the face of the old world can do anything to stop these idiot viking dudes oh and also they don't feel very much like teaming up against the forces of Chaos, Undead and Orcs because The Empire likes vertical stripes on their pantaloons not horizontal. It's pretty cool.
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Aug 9, 2016 00:24
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Have the Beastmen ever done anything but make a beeline for Karl Franz in anyone's Empire campaign? I was hoping Estalia and Tilea might actually have to do something for once, but that hasn't been my experience.
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Aug 9, 2016 00:27
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Yeah in my current empire they've stayed on their side of the mountain. They did kill an incarnation of Karl but that was defending a taken britona settlement
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Aug 9, 2016 00:30
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I think because they only start at war with the empire and middenland they go straight for the mountain pass to Helmgart every time, at least in all mine so far.
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Aug 9, 2016 00:42
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I've been autoresolving a lot in my latest VC campaign because the UI is miserable above 25-30 units and god loving drat is it awful sometimes. A lone empire general with a sliver of health - manual battle: Mannfred and his Banshee walk out at full health, empire general dies to spirit leech before doing more than looking menacing. Autoresolve: the remaining two vargheists in a unit wipe, other units take some damage. How? And every time I reload because I have a 3/4 yellow bar and surely this time autoresolve will be some sort of reasonable I lose the cool items I got from the autores battle  I have more caster items than casters and almost no weapons or talismans, let alone armour.
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Aug 9, 2016 04:59
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Just took out Sarthorael's stack with 90% of my army wiping and Grimgor solo'ing the rest. It was glorious and proper Orky. His lads died well.
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Aug 9, 2016 05:04
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I really hate the Warherd of Chaos. I was playing dwarves and killing the Warherd was literally the last thing I needed to do for a Long Victory. Their tiny last army decides it wants to play hide and seek rather then stand and fight. While I endlessly chase the army, the Norscans and Etalia decide to spam agent actions at me. I end up with a bunch of grudges that I need Agent Actions to resolve. I quit rather then continue because gently caress That.
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Aug 9, 2016 05:18
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I was thinking about buying this, but gently caress there's already like $30 of DLC and it's been out barely 3 months? gently caress that.
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Aug 9, 2016 06:48
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I was thinking about buying this, but gently caress there's already like $30 of DLC and it's been out barely 3 months? gently caress that. Just try the base game, most of the additional content is in in the form of extra enemy factions even if you don't pay for it.
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Aug 9, 2016 06:56
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Finished my VH Empire campaign on turn 157, think I'll take a break until the first major expansion is released. Hoping to return to many new factions to play as.
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I was thinking about buying this, but gently caress there's already like $30 of DLC and it's been out barely 3 months? gently caress that. There'll be a sale eventually. it's a good game worth buying, in any case. But yeah, there'll be a shitload more DLC plus two expansions eventually. The whole thing is eventually going to be, like, $300.
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Aug 9, 2016 07:20
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I was thinking about buying this, but gently caress there's already like $30 of DLC and it's been out barely 3 months? gently caress that. The base game has 4 playable factions. You have easily 80-100 hours of content even without the DLC.
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Aug 9, 2016 07:47
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I was thinking about buying this, but gently caress there's already like $30 of DLC and it's been out barely 3 months? gently caress that. Says the man with an Overwatch avatar.
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Aug 9, 2016 10:06
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Terrible Opinions posted:Says the man with an Overwatch avatar. Overwatch doesn't have DLC though? Unless you really want fake currency I guess. They even added a free character like a month ago. It sucks that since this game has sold so well it probably won't have any sort of steam deal until probably Christmas.
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Aug 9, 2016 10:33
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Tequila Sunrise posted:Overwatch doesn't have DLC though? Unless you really want fake currency I guess. They even added a free character like a month ago. In Overwatch the pressure applied is seeing other players run around with skins you can't get with in game currency, only gambling on the crates. In Total War the pressure is seeing the cool factions given to the AI with an update, but not to you until you pony up the money. In both cases the company tries to soften the blow by adding free content which is clearly not in the same vein as what they are actually selling. In Overwatch appears to be going to be additional maps and characters such as Ana. With Total War this is going to be content for existing factions and a single completely free new faction. In this case blood knights for the Vampire Counts and the Amber Wizard for the Empire, with the promise of Bretonnia as a campaign faction sometime this fall. It's the same lovely business practice and how much you are willing to bear it is entirely based on how much you like the game in question and how much bullshit you can put up with. In my personal opinion the Beastmen are fine because they're a large chunk of new content obviously not in the game at launch. The Warriors of Chaos though are fairly obviously content cut from the original game. Overwatch's Olympic skins are the height of horse poo poo and basically amount to stooping to League of Legends level squeezing customers.
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Aug 9, 2016 10:43
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All game play elements in Overwatch (characters, maps, game modes) are and will always be free. In fact, everything is free you can just spend money for a chance to get stuff faster. Nothing is gated behind having to pay an extra 50% of the base cost to play for content they patched in.
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Aug 9, 2016 10:56
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If you don't wanna buy the game, then don't buy the game. Go and spend some more time grinding for skins in Overwatch then, I guess. That's free after all. Your time is free.
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Aug 9, 2016 11:04
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Tequila Sunrise posted:All game play elements in Overwatch (characters, maps, game modes) are and will always be free. In fact, everything is free you can just spend money for a chance to get stuff faster. Nothing is gated behind having to pay an extra 50% of the base cost to play for content they patched in. Again I think it's lovely in Total War too, but I find it funny that someone who plays a game literally designed to catch whales is complaining about DLC.
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Aug 9, 2016 11:06
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Who the gently caress cares about bad game Overwatch. Totalwar is easily worth the base price seeing that it's the best TW game to date by a fairly large margin. The DLC stuff is not required and not something you'd want to get into until you have the base game figured out.
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edit: nevermind, just saw your guy's avatar/usernames.
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Broseph if price is really the only deterrent there is a little secret. Namely that SEGA does not bother checking regions. So if you are willing to give an Eastern European youth real American dollars or Union euros through g2a or similar service it can be yours for 38 dollars. Sadly the price does not go lower due to being banned in Russia.
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Aug 9, 2016 11:19
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A friend and I want to be able to play a coop grand campaign as Beastmen, so I've been poking around the modding tools to see if I could figure out something like the LL Unique Starting Position mod just for Beastmen, but I'm totally loving lost.  I'm hoping it's not super complicated for someone who actually knows what they're doing, could any of you mod inclined goons maybe point me in the right direction?
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Tequila Sunrise posted:edit: nevermind, just saw your guy's avatar/usernames. Buy it or don't, man. http://www.cdkeys.com/pc/games/total-war-warhammer-pc-cd-key-steam Its £33 quid. That's probably a night of drinking for most of you.
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lol at not buying a completely satisfying game because the developer sells optional other stuff for it that you might one day want to buy as well
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The base game is worth it and the four factions play differently enough that it has a lot of replayability. I guess I'd recommend the blood DLC right away because of the cool animations, but the beastmen and warriors can easily wait. e: And just so you know, the beastmen and warriors of chaos exist in the game and can be fought in the campaign even if you didn't buy the DLC. The DLC just lets you play as them.
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Just had a final stand against the chaos hordes in Altdorf. Apparently the AI is bad at sieges, it was on very hard.
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Gitro posted:I've been autoresolving a lot in my latest VC campaign because the UI is miserable above 25-30 units and god loving drat is it awful sometimes. It's pretty funny, as VCs autoresolve apparently simulates my Varghulfs tripping on a twig and dying, while as Greenskins it consistently got decisive victories out of fights that I could only manage a close/pyrrhic win myself.
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I was thinking about buying this, but gently caress there's already like $30 of DLC and it's been out barely 3 months? gently caress that. one of them is a texture pack, the other is an entirely optional faction DLC and the other is a entirely optional faction DLC that also adds a whole new campaign. buy the base game and have fun with it, buy the extra DLC if you feel like it.
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Little Bitch Man posted:Just had a final stand against the chaos hordes in Altdorf. Those fights are allways so drat fun, the AI is turbobad at sieges largely because it never sits there and lets its hell cannons level the walls and just leaves them alone to be cavalried so they can throw more men up at your greatswords on the wall. And i am glad of it 
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