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What? Leveling walls is still possible? I always have my cannons and catapults shoot at the walls while I attack a settlement, and I've never seen a tower or wall segment crumble.
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Wipfmetz posted:Levelling walls is still possile? I always have my cannons and catapults shoot at the walls while I attack a settlement, and I've never seen a tower or wall segment crumble. It still happens, yes? There's a percentage counter for damage and once wall segments hit 100% they collapse and create a breach. Towers can be knocked out of action permanently in the same way.
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Aug 9, 2016 15:20
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Wipfmetz posted:Levelling walls is still possile? I always have my cannons and catapults shoot at the walls while I attack a settlement, and I've never seen a tower or wall segment crumble. Yeah? I'm not sure why it isn't working for you. You should be able to mouse over a wall segment and see how close it is to being destroyed.
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Aug 9, 2016 15:20
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I don't find levelling the walls to ever be an useful use of my artillery in sieges. Taking out the towers can help though, especially playing vs VC where it means I can missile them with impunity.
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Aug 9, 2016 15:26
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Climbing the walls with ladders is cooler.
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Aug 9, 2016 16:00
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Blowing up the walls also takes way too long and now that the towers can shoot all the way across the map waiting for your artillery to take out a wall will make you take a ton of damage.
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Aug 9, 2016 16:08
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Bogarts posted:Blowing up the walls also takes way too long and now that the towers can shoot all the way across the map waiting for your artillery to take out a wall will make you take a ton of damage. If you have enough artillery you can take out the towers fairly quickly and then make breaches/shoot the poo poo out of the enemy.
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Aug 9, 2016 16:26
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It can be quite ridiculous if you take out the towers and have patience. My Karl with the fireball ring and a flying mount killed about 500 people, 2 handgunners each with 400, three crossbow men with 200 each and a poor 150 on two mortars in an attack that I had no chance of winning if they would have gone out on the field. Ended in a draw as I didn't have enough time to clean up after running out of ammo, but that just resets it for next turn.
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Aug 9, 2016 16:31
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Double Bill posted:It's pretty funny, as VCs autoresolve apparently simulates my Varghulfs tripping on a twig and dying, while as Greenskins it consistently got decisive victories out of fights that I could only manage a close/pyrrhic win myself. I actually have armies that are solid skeletons, just because autoresolve hates anything with one model and a large hp pool and loves anything with lots of models.
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Aug 9, 2016 17:52
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wiegieman posted:I actually have armies that are solid skeletons, just because autoresolve hates anything with one model and a large hp pool and loves anything with lots of models. shameful
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Aug 9, 2016 19:58
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Asmodai_00 posted:Climbing the walls with ladders is cooler.
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Aug 9, 2016 21:31
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charging a wall with a horde of gors and ungors while raiders shower defenders with arrows and a cygor chucks rocks and there's shitloads of dudes dying all over the place is rad as hell of course it only works because you also have a bunch of minotaurs along with a gorebull and your general (and maybe a filler infantry unit or two) busting down the gate and handily taking care of literally anything they find on the other side, making all the poo poo going on at the walls a sideshow
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Aug 9, 2016 21:43
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Yeah leveling towers and walls is a breeze with cannons. Take two and you'll knock a wall down with 3-4 salvos. It's useful if you want to get in and around the clusterfuck at the gate.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:05
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Bogarts posted:Blowing up the walls also takes way too long and now that the towers can shoot all the way across the map waiting for your artillery to take out a wall will make you take a ton of damage. From what I've seen the towers go for whatever's closest/only go for the artillery if there's not a closer target so as long as you use some cannon fodder and keep them in tower range it should be fine.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:46
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What are good ways to handle Brets as the beastmen? The first time through I was playing Khazrak and got a lot of ambush battles/sieges so the cavalry was less of an issue. There was one normal field battle that was a huge clusterfuck, my normal strategy of mobbing them from the back with ungors while charging their front with more ungors didn't work so well when half their units are cavalry and can just turn around and kill my archers before my melee line can catch them. Malagor has some cool skills in his top line and wilds is always fun, but I am not liking it anywhere near as much as khazrak so far.
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Aug 10, 2016 02:37
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Yeah I like Malagor much more as a lord but Kahzrak undeniably has the better start. One unit of minotaurs is a lot more useful than a giant IMO. Plus unlocking Kahzrak is a pain and I'm pretty sure you need him to beat The Fall of Man. e. VH/N Greenskin campaign down - the short victory, anyway. I'm not sure if I preferred it to normal or not. I used waaaay too many autoresolves because I wasn't confident I'd win and I wanted to auto myself into a good position so I didn't waste too much time if the campaign became unwinnable, but as usual it just feels like cheating. Deified Data fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 03:06
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My VH Greenskins campaign failures and now 7th try seems to be working, I just took my army at the start, got to 17 guys and then went on destroying/occupying all the places south that I could take then to the SW badland savage orc top knot area, locked that down. During that time. Karak Anzul and Dwarves destroyed all the rest of the greenskins then confederated so i have this one province.. but I managed to build level 4 capital and black orcs and went on this absolute crazy defense against 4 stacks of dwarves and then border princes with my army and waagh just mopping up the fights. Currently pushing north towards barak varr area. Turn ~60 i think.
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Aug 10, 2016 05:27
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With Greenskins, apparently I am supposed to wipe out Dwarfs and Empire, but I haven't seen Empire yet at turn 150 and it seems like they're on the other side of the map. Problem is I can't take any cities in-between because that's apparently am important game mechanic I missed. Am I just supposed to death march an army up there and take a city to use as a beachhead? I'm assuming yes but was wondering if I was missing something obvious.
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Aug 10, 2016 05:46
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Empire got wiped in my game before I even met them. Wonder if the mod I have that disables AI public order cheats lets Chaos trample the map with corruption? They've been defeated early in my last two games. Beastmen might contribute to their early fall as well.
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Aug 10, 2016 05:55
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Internet Explorer posted:With Greenskins, apparently I am supposed to wipe out Dwarfs and Empire, but I haven't seen Empire yet at turn 150 and it seems like they're on the other side of the map. Problem is I can't take any cities in-between because that's apparently am important game mechanic I missed. Am I just supposed to death march an army up there and take a city to use as a beachhead? I'm assuming yes but was wondering if I was missing something obvious. You could also take a few of the Dwarf holds between the Empire and Bretonnia as well as the ones all around Blackfire Pass. You can take anything built on a mountain and the humies/stinky humies are surrounded by them. And yeah, even without mods the Beastmen sometimes can really put the hurt on AI Empire at times. Sigvald's latest glorious crusade turned up at Altdorf only to find it totally isolated and surrounded by herdstones and angry minor nations. Turns out most of the surviving human factions rolled 'Imperial Mistrust' as a diplomatic trait and paid emergent herds into fighting their rivals 
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Aug 10, 2016 06:00
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Internet Explorer posted:With Greenskins, apparently I am supposed to wipe out Dwarfs and Empire, but I haven't seen Empire yet at turn 150 and it seems like they're on the other side of the map. Problem is I can't take any cities in-between because that's apparently am important game mechanic I missed. Am I just supposed to death march an army up there and take a city to use as a beachhead? I'm assuming yes but was wondering if I was missing something obvious. Empire's in the middle of the map, you can get there by taking the dwarf holds in the mountains and going west along the mountains, taking all the holds along the way till you get to reikland.
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Aug 10, 2016 06:01
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Alright, awesome. Sounds like I have a path to the Rhineland, I mean the Reikland.
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Aug 10, 2016 06:09
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My last two campaigns the empire hasn't expanded beyond 2 or 3 settlements before I put them out of their misery. VCs on turn 30 and the secessionists still held Grunberg with a stack and a half. I came tromping through with malagor next campaign on turn 20 to find Heimgart rubble and no empire presence outside the Reikland. Step your game up, Franz. Even on H/H with Kahzrak they didn't get much beyond 4 settlements come turn 30 or 40. There are additional Beastmen hordes outside the main faction, right? Can you actually confederate those in the grand campaign?
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Aug 10, 2016 06:19
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Playing a co-op campaign as Dwarves (with my friend playing the undead) and one of my non-legendary lords is becoming incredibly bad-rear end. Like when he defended Iron rock at level 7 against a level 12 Grimgor full army and whaag. Although the battle was pretty epic, having someone control the hand-to-hand dwarves and someone controlling artillery/archers is pretty OP, since once you have something like 10 quarrellers you can micro-manage them to wreck anything before it reaches your line pretty effectively. Also having a potion of healing on a dwarf lord is pretty cool.
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Aug 10, 2016 08:59
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Bogarts posted:Blowing up the walls also takes way too long and now that the towers can shoot all the way across the map waiting for your artillery to take out a wall will make you take a ton of damage. if you want to demolish walls with some ease just start with your atillery hugging a corner and as soon as you press the start button move them a bit forward. There's a small angle where the last tower can't hit you just like, 20 meters ahead of the starting line, so just move your arty there and they're safe from counter-fire from the towers.
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Aug 10, 2016 11:50
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Tekopo posted:Playing a co-op campaign as Dwarves (with my friend playing the undead) and one of my non-legendary lords is becoming incredibly bad-rear end. Like when he defended Iron rock at level 7 against a level 12 Grimgor full army and whaag. Although the battle was pretty epic, having someone control the hand-to-hand dwarves and someone controlling artillery/archers is pretty OP, since once you have something like 10 quarrellers you can micro-manage them to wreck anything before it reaches your line pretty effectively. Also having a potion of healing on a dwarf lord is pretty cool. Yeah, dwarf heroes and lords are very tough and quarrelers are an incredible unit throughout most of the game, especially when boosted by an engineer. Just be careful massing them against Chaos doomstacks who are often heavily armored and have the cavalry to continually charge the quarrelers. I ended up going with ironbreakers/longbeards and using hammerers as my primary offense against chaos doomstacks (ones full of chose and/or knights). In particular I think there was one of Ungrim's story missions that throws an enormous amount of chaos knights at you which the quarrelers really struggle against. Mans posted:if you want to demolish walls with some ease just start with your atillery hugging a corner and as soon as you press the start button move them a bit forward. There's a small angle where the last tower can't hit you just like, 20 meters ahead of the starting line, so just move your arty there and they're safe from counter-fire from the towers. If you have artillery one easy thing you can do is just squeeze your troops in a corner and blow up the single tower (or 2 towers) able to shoot at your army. The AI is pretty bad at siege battles and typically will just march units back and forth on the walls allowing your missile troops to slaughter them until they run out of ammo. Damn Dirty Ape fucked around with this message at 12:03 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 11:59
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Wish there was a decent dragon buffing mod. The ones on workshop arent updated anymore and i like the idea of chaos/zombie dragon mounted lords able to take on half an army
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Aug 10, 2016 12:11
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How did the goon tournament go? I wasn't paying attention to it, but if there was another I'd like to play.
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Aug 10, 2016 13:14
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Did Chaos get a buff with the latest patch? I remember they used to have problems with recruitment once their elite doomstacks were dwindled so you'd usually see Archaeon & co. wandering around with half stacks if you weren't the first one to meet them. In my last two games though I've never seen any Chaos stack without 20 elite units at full health, and unsurprisingly they've been absolutely unstoppable by the AI factions. When playing Greenskins I used to just let Chaos run wild and let them soften up the Empire for me before I took them both out, but now Chaos takes out the Empire in short order without losing momentum and I have to rush to the north to get my raiding objective finished before Chaos eliminates all the AI factions.
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Aug 10, 2016 14:38
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Deified Data posted:Did Chaos get a buff with the latest patch? I remember they used to have problems with recruitment once their elite doomstacks were dwindled so you'd usually see Archaeon & co. wandering around with half stacks if you weren't the first one to meet them. In my last two games though I've never seen any Chaos stack without 20 elite units at full health, and unsurprisingly they've been absolutely unstoppable by the AI factions. When playing Greenskins I used to just let Chaos run wild and let them soften up the Empire for me before I took them both out, but now Chaos takes out the Empire in short order without losing momentum and I have to rush to the north to get my raiding objective finished before Chaos eliminates all the AI factions. a proppa warboss goes headfirst into the chaos invasion and beats the spiky gits properly before they destroy the humies. if the humies are wiped out who are you gonna fight with?
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Aug 10, 2016 14:57
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It's just common sense.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:12
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Mukip posted:How did the goon tournament go? Goons tried, Yukitsu sighed.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:06
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Chomp8645 posted:Goons tried, Yukitsu sighed. It was all in all not that bad. I was worried some poor idiot would be like "Man, dwarf flamethrower spam beat this goblin easy AI swarm so easily, it'll clean up." Honestly it was fun, I'd like to have another one, but I definitely want to play in one as well. Mukip posted:How did the goon tournament go? I wasn't paying attention to it, but if there was another I'd like to play. Harass Chomp to organize the next one, I wanna play a few rounds. 
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Aug 10, 2016 17:02
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I'd be in for a tournament. How many people played in the last one?
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Aug 10, 2016 17:20
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I haven't touched multiplayer and I'd be happy to give someone a win.
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Aug 10, 2016 17:21
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joke's on you all when my all-goblin army clears house goblin army build: two spider rider archers 2 goblin big bosses 2 arachnaroks as many goblins as you can afford gently caress you
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Aug 10, 2016 17:21
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Vox Nihili posted:I'd be in for a tournament. We had 8, a 9th wanted in but was past deadline and dropped. I don't have any plans at all of running one right now so it'd be up to someone else to organize one.
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Aug 10, 2016 17:23
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I'll do it, then! Mukip's Grand Tournament sign ups begin now. Let's give it a week. So far it looks like we have: *Mukip *Asmodai_00 *Vox Nihili *Yukitsu *Mr. Wookums *Obstacle2 *Triskelli *rockopete *ZearothK *Kaza42 *Trujillo *ZoninSilver *420 Gank Mid *Captain Beans *ClassicFascist *ubercrunchy Oh yeah, I'm banning double healing potions. ------------- We have 16 players now so I'm going to start early. Could still use some backups if case somebody pulls out, though. Rules are as follows: Funds: Large Timer:40 minutes Map: Karak Azgal for the first round House rules: No more than one healing item on the same character. Max 3 heroes including your lord. First round matchups will be: rockopete - Trujillo (http://steamcommunity.com/id/Sammvt) Obstacle2 - ClassicFascist Mr. Wookums - ubercrunchy Asmodai_00 - Yukitsu Mukip - Triskelli Kaza42 - 420 Gank Mid ZearothK - ZoninSilver Captain Beans - Vox Nihili I should probably have required people to post their steam games names, but  . Post em' or PM me and I'll update the list.The winner of Mukip's Grand Tournament will have earned an incredible prize: A drawing of a cup (you can imagine it is a as Champions Cup if you like) in addition to a bonus .gif of an amusing dog that I once downloaded onto my hard drive. The runner-up will get a consolation prize: a highly artistic drawing of a quadrilateral plane. Mukip fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 17:48
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I'll do it!
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Getting tired of low fightiness Orcs running away from battles. With low fightiness you'd think the AI would want them to get their fightiness back or at least go out in a blaze of glory. But then I guess that is this game's biggest problem right now: the campaign AI is way too passive when one of your own armies is in range.
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