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Dangersim posted:Why do you tbink only nate learned from the last fight? what do you think conor was surprised by in their first fight?
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I don't think anyone thinks Conor didn't learn anything from the last fight and won't be making adjustments for this fight, just that Nate will also be coming in having a feel for Conor. As far as what I meant, just look at the guy in the Johnson fight vs the Nate that fought Conor. Nate's much sharper and quicker in the Johnson fight than he was coming in with no camp in the McGregor fight. He will actually get to spar with guys that approximate Conor's size and reach for weeks leading up to the fight, rather than coming in and having to get a feel for Conor on the fly. That's what I meant by an improved version of Nate. As far as adjustments I'd imagine the big one would be not getting countered over his jab repeatedly.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:12
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Dangersim posted:Its kinda annoying how everytime i say something about mcgregor the same 3 people come in and start conplaining. Fucken stop with it dude Okay, sorry man 
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Aug 10, 2016 00:12
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Eat Bum Zen posted:Okay, sorry man Its ok i dont hold.grudges 
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Aug 10, 2016 00:15
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Maybe it's moot, arguing the same points with people who didn't even have a presence in the UFC threads until Conor lost. Just maybe.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:19
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El Roncho posted:Maybe it's moot, arguing the same points with people who didn't even have a presence in the UFC threads until Conor lost. Just maybe. Perhaps, but when im bored at work i sometimes pass the time by arguing with people on the internet
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Aug 10, 2016 00:21
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Dangersim posted:Why do you tbink only nate learned from the last fight? I didn't say that nor think that. I merely answered your question of what Nate is improving from the first fight which is his familiarity of Conor and a fight camp for picking up where he left off; winning the fight. Conor could have learned a lot from the fight and it doesn't change this answer in that Nate has a lower bar to clear from the first fight.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:24
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Triticum Guzzler posted:height and reach are important advantages if you're nate diaz fighting a nate diaz style fight against conor, but that's another different guy Nate's biggest advantage over Conor is height and reach, not weight. Alvarez fighting different is exactly the reason him being heavier than Nate has no correlation to him being able to beat Conor based on the fight with Nate. Conor's used to having reach on everyone and he would again against Alvarez, which puts him in a more normal position. I have no idea whether Conor would win. I hope he goes back to 145 and makes it a moot point.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:31
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Bluedeanie posted:Alvarez is a less technically skilled but more verbally skilled Frankie Edgar, and I think that is a fair trade-off. A crucial mistake you've made here is that eddie is good and cool, and Frankie is bad and bad
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Aug 10, 2016 00:41
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thats a stupid thing to say
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Aug 10, 2016 00:47
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Gzuz-Kriced posted:Nate's biggest advantage over Conor is height and reach, not weight. Alvarez fighting different is exactly the reason him being heavier than Nate has no correlation to him being able to beat Conor based on the fight with Nate. Conor's used to having reach on everyone and he would again against Alvarez, which puts him in a more normal position. Yeah weight advantage doesn't make any difference when a wrestleboxer fights a striker with suspect wrestling defense.
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Aug 10, 2016 00:54
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I.N.R.I posted:thats a stupid thing to say consider that attempting to aggravate a man into giving you millions of dollars is in fact not stupid when you're a prize fighter
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Aug 10, 2016 00:55
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Fatherdog, can we get a word filter to replace Jon Jones with J*n J*nes? Since he's the Tom Brady of the sport, and all?
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Aug 10, 2016 00:56
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Marching Powder posted:consider that attempting to aggravate a man into giving you millions of dollars is in fact not stupid when you're a prize fighter im not talking about his supposed motive for saying it, im talking about the actual words that are coming out of his mouth
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I.N.R.I posted:im not talking about his supposed motive for saying it, im talking about the actual words that are coming out of his mouth yeah i'm sure you could point to eddie saying conor 'can't fight for poo poo' and then link to several conor fights with timestamps where you can see conor fighting for poo poo and your argument would be very strong but everyone would probably think you're a weirdo
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I.N.R.I posted:??????? when a man says to another man, a literal world champion with highlight reel knockouts of very well known good fighters, that he 'can't fight for poo poo', perhaps you should not be debating the correctness of the statement and instead focus on the intent, which most would interpret to be 'fight me for millions of dollars please'.
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Aug 10, 2016 01:10
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His point is that its bad poo poo talk, if you're trying to make a poo poo load of money you should try harder.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Yeah weight advantage doesn't make any difference when a wrestleboxer fights a striker with suspect wrestling defense. I was commenting on the fact that Conor losing to Diaz, and Diaz being big, isn't relevant to Alvarez. Obviously a weight advantage matters overall but the Diaz fight is a poor correlation for anything to do with Alvarez. The Mendez fight is an example where Conor could struggle against a heavy wrestler.
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Marching Powder posted:when a man says to another man, a literal world champion with highlight reel knockouts of very well known good fighters, that he 'can't fight for poo poo', perhaps you should not be debating the correctness of the statement and instead focus on the intent, which most would interpret to be 'fight me for millions of dollars please'. Its partially a ploy but he also probably kinda thinks its true. Alvarez goes into detail about how Conor is overrated, everyone knows that the UFC gave him favorable matchups because they knew hed be popular, and he would lose to a good wrestler. All of which are things that lots of people unironically believe including probably Eddie
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Aug 10, 2016 01:46
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Gzuz-Kriced posted:I was commenting on the fact that Conor losing to Diaz, and Diaz being big, isn't relevant to Alvarez. Obviously a weight advantage matters overall but the Diaz fight is a poor correlation for anything to do with Alvarez. The Mendez fight is an example where Conor could struggle against a heavy wrestler. It mattered when Diaz easily pushed Conor to the fence and beat him up there.
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manyak posted:Its partially a ploy but he also probably kinda thinks its true. Alvarez goes into detail about how Conor is overrated, everyone knows that the UFC gave him favorable matchups because they knew hed be popular, and he would lose to a good wrestler. All of which are things that lots of people unironically believe including probably Eddie it's why i also think it's good trash talk. arguments can be made for conor being overrated, weak against wrestlers and matched up favorably on his way up. the correctness of these things are up for debate but i bet that these things are argued at all would stick in conor's craw.
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Aug 10, 2016 01:53
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Alvarez vs Conor would be an extremely cool fight probably.
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Tezcatlipoca posted:It mattered when Diaz easily pushed Conor to the fence and beat him up there. Possibly. Or maybe Diaz could do that because had more height/leverage. They're too different to know which is the point.
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I'm glad Eddie took out RDA and regained the trust of the people after losing them with a few fence pushing split decisions to get into contention
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https://twitter.com/MikeBohnMMA/status/763106953757351938?s=04
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Marching Powder posted:when a man says to another man, a literal world champion with highlight reel knockouts of very well known good fighters, that he 'can't fight for poo poo', perhaps you should not be debating the correctness of the statement and instead focus on the intent, which most would interpret to be 'fight me for millions of dollars please'. perhaps you sholuld climb into a garbage can and live in there from now on instead of accusing me of "debating" which im going to assume is some kind of american terminology for a sex crime
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I.N.R.I posted:perhaps you sholuld climb into a garbage can and live in there from now on instead of accusing me of "debating" which im going to assume is some kind of american terminology for a sex crime that's cool
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I remember when I thought Rumble was going to be the guy who finally ended GSP's reign then he missed weight a bunch of times and got choked by Josh Koschek.
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Aug 10, 2016 04:24
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http://mmajunkie.com/2016/08/ufc-bantamweight-ning-guangyou-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-will-not-face-suspension Looks like a fighter actually succeeded swaying USADA with the "tainted meat" defense.
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CommonShore posted:http://mmajunkie.com/2016/08/ufc-bantamweight-ning-guangyou-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-will-not-face-suspension mmmm Clenbuterol meat
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JaySB posted:mmmm Clenbuterol meat
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CommonShore posted:http://mmajunkie.com/2016/08/ufc-bantamweight-ning-guangyou-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-will-not-face-suspension its very possible in china and theres precedent for athletes getting away with that defense after testing positive for it in china too
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roman kreuziger is a cycling example, he tested positive at the tour of beijing and eventually was cleared of it. like i personally dont know how much clenbuterol you have to accidentally ingest for it to show up in your blood but modern tests will show a positive for extremely miniscule amounts of it edot sorry it was michael rogers not roman kreuziger and it was at a japanese race but it was allegedly because of eating chinese meat I.N.R.I fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Shumagorath posted:I remember when I thought Rumble was going to be the guy who finally ended GSP's reign then he missed weight a bunch of times and got choked by Josh Koschek. Rumble losing to Koscheck is still so funny to me. The fact that he could make 170 at all is insane though when you see him at 205
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He also lost to Rich Clementi further proving that you can beat any roided monster by grabbing his toes and holding them really hard
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Not trying to pick on that, but where would you place Koscheck among the all time WWs at this point? I know its stupid sorry already if you dont want to talk about this. he existed in the era where it was going to be Hughes still, BJ returning as champion, or GSP, which every sensible (not me) person thought. Obviously he would've crushed hughes. Probably more one sided but duller before he honed his one punch than when they really fought. BJ, who knows. Thats another pointless but interesting to me discussion. If GSP hadn't been around, I guess BJ would've come back and lost to hughes. If Kos wasn't champ for at least a little bit because of GSP I think he gets to be in the discussion of great WWS a little bit. I always hated him, and his fights were the worst. I never rewatched any Koscheck fights where he won, except the Hendricks fight. But I remember feeling like he had the most fluid, fast, strong, well-executed shots I'd ever seen, at certain times. Bundt Cake fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Bundt Cake posted:Not trying to pick on that, but where would you place Koscheck among the all time WWs at this point? I know its stupid sorry already if you dont want to talk about this. he existed in the era where it was going to be Hughes still, BJ returning as champion, or GSP, which every sensible (not me) person thought. Obviously he would've crushed hughes. Probably more one sided but duller before he honed his one punch than when they really fought. BJ, who knows. Thats another pointless but interesting to me discussion. If GSP hadn't been around, I guess BJ would've come back and lost to hughes. If Kos wasn't champ for at least a little bit because of GSP I think he gets to be in the discussion of great WWS a little bit. he could conceivably have beaten any ww of his era not named gsp. if gsp never existed, i strongly believe he would have been a champion, and regarded as a solid champ, but not quite an all-time great.
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Marching Powder posted:he could conceivably have beaten any ww of his era not named gsp. if gsp never existed, i strongly believe he would have been a champion, and regarded as a solid champ, but not quite an all-time great. OK forget the all time great thing. List the guys ahead of him. Newton, Hughes, Gsp, Bj, Lawler
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