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Strom Cuzewon posted:There's occasional dodgy imagery with the Easterlings and the Orcs, but it never felt deliberate to me - there's the bit where Sam finds the dead Easterling ""It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." Yeah, hence why I don't really see it as being actively 'racist' so much as having occasionally unfortunate implications. Like the Black Tongue basically looking like Arabic and having strong similarities to a Mesopotamian language - I highly doubt he was trying to warn us of the evils of Islam / the Middle East. Goon Danton posted:He was mostly "oblivious white dude in the 30s" racist. The orcs are the big example, but the other one is the dwarves. He explicitly said he based them on Jews: a strong and hard-working people stripped of their homeland and dreaming of its return, etc. And then he was worried about making them flawless and said "hmm, what might be a stereotypical Jewish flaw to give them" and made them greedy as hell, to the point where the "losing their homeland" thing was a direct result of it. Haha okay now that's a little more on the nose. Wait. "On the nose" oh no now I'm doing it.
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Count Chocula posted:I'm also into 'story doesn't matter, gameplay is what matters, repeat everything Tim Rogers wrote about game design ('most game writers have only read one book, LOTR',) but I'm not sure that puts me on the side of GamerGate scum. I have that view because I'm a liberal arts major. GG are more likely to take whatever bullshit story the game has ('Quiet breathes through her skin', everything about Far Cry 3) and treat it as reality instead of a thin skin around gameplay. Taking into account the superfluous nature of game stories and their unimportance in the process is actually taking games more seriously. What a shock, you're an idiot
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Hitler never violated the NAP.  What the gently caress history books are these fartbranes reading?
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Aug 10, 2016 15:35
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Evidently the same ones that say not buying a product means declaring war and thus justify genocide. Which I have to assume means they were penned by racist robber barons.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:40
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Terrible Opinions posted:Evidently the same ones that say not buying a product means declaring war and thus justify genocide. Which I have to assume means they were penned by racist robber barons. They're following the lead of Libertarian Thread favorite Hans Hermann Hoppe, who desperately wants to be a racist robber baron from the 19th Century despite still being alive. You don't get to claim olde timey ignorance when you have a blog. He has a special definition of "aggression" that includes things like "disagreeing with Hans Hermann Hoppe" and "being gay." It's a trip.
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Aug 10, 2016 15:48
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Goon Danton posted:They're following the lead of Libertarian Thread favorite Hans Hermann Hoppe, who desperately wants to be a racist robber baron from the 19th Century despite still being alive. You don't get to claim olde timey ignorance when you have a blog. The Non-Aggression Principle as used by an-caps basically means "Violence from the top-down is not violence, violence from anywhere else is inexcusable". Slavery is not aggression, but a slave-revolt is. I honestly have no idea what motivates literally anyone to be an an-cap
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Aug 10, 2016 16:11
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The Vosgian Beast posted:The Non-Aggression Principle as used by an-caps basically means "Violence from the top-down is not violence, violence from anywhere else is inexcusable". Slavery is not aggression, but a slave-revolt is. Your first line answers your second.
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So I've picked up that Moldbug's favourite author is Thomas Carlyle. I don't know that much about him, apart from as the author of a wacky 'novel' called Sartor Resartus, which is ... something. Also, he influenced William Morris. A socialist. What's the deal with this.
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Tesseraction posted:Hitler never violated the NAP. They arnt. Maybe one written by a nazi apologists. Strom Cuzewon posted:There's occasional dodgy imagery with the Easterlings and the Orcs, but it never felt deliberate to me - there's the bit where Sam finds the dead Easterling ""It was Sam's first view of a battle of Men against Men, and he did not like it much. He was glad that he could not see the dead face. He wondered what the man's name was and where he came from; and if he was really evil at heart, or what lies or threats had led him on the long march from his home; and if he would not really rather have stayed there in peace." This. He was a conservative old man with some lovely private old man opinion. He was never in a Lewis or lovecraft level. He had seen the horrors of ww1 and that probably made his books better. Avenging_Mikon posted:I wasn't talking about gamergate but in general. Do you really not see why people wouldn't want to be accidentally or tangentially associated with groups of people they find abhorrent? It's like Star Trek and pedophiles. Liking Star Trek doesn't make you a pedo but a lot of pedos like Star Trek. So if you like Star Trek, and your group has talked about pedophiles recently, you might be gunshy to say "I like Star Trek " without the disclaimer.
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Aug 10, 2016 16:58
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Not just any Star Trek. Star Trek The Next Generation. Although that is probably the most popular or widely seen one, so it could just be confirmation bias. Or maybe just another case of alienated people being attracted to a utopia where everyone belongs and all relationships are totally superficial and work-related, which is why nerds liked it when they were kids too, I guess.
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Aug 10, 2016 17:26
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Goon Danton posted:Your first line answers your second. Okay but none of these guys actually are at the top
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Aug 10, 2016 17:38
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Okay but none of these guys actually are at the top That's where the racism and misogyny come in! They're on top of somebody.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Okay but none of these guys actually are at the top 
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Aug 10, 2016 17:51
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poptart_fairy posted:You can share certain opinions with [Internet Community Here] and still not be dragged kicking and screaming into their inky abyss. If they had the same reasons as me for liking/disliking a thing I would have no problem not distancing myself from it, but their reasons are so wildly insane that it's a pretty good idea to at least mention that you're coming at it from another place e: Literally The Worst posted:What a shock, you're an idiot People can appreciate the same things for different reasons d0s has a new favorite as of 21:00 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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Aug 10, 2016 20:58
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Okay but none of these guys actually are at the top Where the hell is that quote about them being the losers of capitalism, I swear it was around here somewhere...
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Somfin posted:Where the hell is that quote about them being the losers of capitalism, I swear it was around here somewhere... Somewhere in here: http://inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias eta: quote:None of this is surprising. Libertarianism is not a ruling-class theory. It may be indulged, certainly, for the useful ideas it can throw up, and its prophets have at times influenced dominant ideologies–witness the cack-handed depredations of the “Chicago Boys” in Chile after Allende’s bloody overthrow. But untempered by the realpolitik of Reaganism and Thatcherism, the anti-statism of “pure” libertarianism is worse than useless to the ruling class. That last bit is specific to the "seasteading" microstate experiments but probably applies at least conceptually to buttcoin and whatever the gently caress Urbit is. GunnerJ has a new favorite as of 21:11 on Aug 10, 2016 |
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GunnerJ posted:Somewhere in here: http://inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias Cheers! China Mieville posted:Libertarianism is not a ruling-class theory. It may be indulged, certainly, for the useful ideas it can throw up, and its prophets have at times influenced dominant ideologies–witness the cack-handed depredations of the “Chicago Boys” in Chile after Allende’s bloody overthrow. But untempered by the realpolitik of Reaganism and Thatcherism, the anti-statism of “pure” libertarianism is worse than useless to the ruling class.
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Aug 10, 2016 21:13
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GunnerJ posted:Somewhere in here: http://inthesetimes.com/article/3328/floating_utopias Don't they keep building Rapture(on a boat or man made island) and it never gets off the ground.
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Aug 11, 2016 00:57
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Sometimes they get chased away by the Tongan Royal Marching Band. Tyranny knows no limits it seems...
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GunnerJ posted:Sometimes they get chased away by the Tongan Royal Marching Band. Tyranny knows no limits it seems... Wait what?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Wait what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minerva_Reefs
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Wait what? In the 1970s, some libertarians tried to start a "Republica of Minerva" on the Minerva Reefs, which are two tiny islands (that are completely submerged at high tide). They were foiled when the closest independent state, Tonga, had quite enough of these anarchist squatters within their territorial waters, sent a single boat and "occupied" the islands. The libertarian "state" promptly collapsed, because as MightyGodKing pointed out, for all their talk about watering liberty with the blood of tyrants, libertarians are goddamn cowards (warning for ableist language in that link). I've only found two sources for the notorious "kicked out by a marching band" bit. This article: Cabinet magazine posted:On 21 June 1972, the world’s heaviest monarch, King Taufa’ahau Tupou IV of Tonga, accompanied by members of the Tonga Defense Force, a convict work detail and a four-piece brass band, set sail from his archipelago kingdom aboard the royal yacht Olovaba. On the king’s stately mind was one thought—the invasion of the Republic of Minerva, located 270 miles to the west of his country’s capital, Nuku’alofa. And also this longer, personal recollection from a witness to the event: quote:His Royal Majesty King Taufa'ahau Tupou IV, his nobles, his cabinet ministers, his royal fishermen, a platoon of solders, a police contingent, the full police brass band... The second source is notable for disputing a lot of the first's details. There was apparently no reason to ship sand from Australia when it would've been easier to take sand from islands much closer, and the King of Tonga never left his ship. Curvature of Earth has a new favorite as of 06:35 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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Tesseraction posted:Hitler never violated the NAP. You see he gave the jews options, they were free to flee the country or get gas chambered. Voluntaryism!
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:You see he gave the jews options, they were free to flee the country or get gas chambered. Voluntaryism! I found the dude's facebook (which I won't link here in the hope that he'll get less worse as he grows up). He's a Trump fan memelord, is given to unironic use of "c u c k" and (((brackets))), identifies as "capitalist" but not necessary as "voluntaryist", makes fun of voluntaryists from time to time but also details at length his sympathy with a lot of their ideas. So it is possible we have incorrect taxonomised the precise variety of far-right shithead he is. This piece he probably thought of as memetic performance art, but the rest of his posting suggests he's on board with a huge chunk of it. (grievously ungenerous of me, I know.)
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Poe's Law strikes again! Also, emphasis mine: quote:Feminism is 100% complete fraud, ALL of it. From the very beginning 50 years ago. Everything you think you know about gender is wrong, so is most of what you think about the world at all. Men are not oppressing women or holding them back. We’ve rolled out the red carpet for you, yet you’re lazy, not all that bright, no ambition, too cowardly and too whiny with no real interests in anything productive anyway. The only one holding you back is yourself. Feminism: 1966-present  From MGTOWs giving dumb tips for women (WHTM link).
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All I can hear, every time one of them complains about women not having "hobbies," is that they are rull, rull unhappy there aren't more real girls playing World of Warcraft.
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Aug 11, 2016 17:26
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Women actually play a ton of games, and not just "casual" ones either.
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There are more women playing games than teenage boys at this point(Guess who all the major AAA games are still targeted at anyway)
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Lady Naga posted:Women actually play a ton of games, and not just "casual" ones either. Yeah right, then how come I don't see usernames like "PinkButterflies4Eva" or "FlowerPowerGurrl" in call of duty 
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Lady Naga posted:Women actually play a ton of games, and not just "casual" ones either. i wish more women played warmahordes because it is a very good game and i wish more people in general played it, namaste harambe
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The Vosgian Beast posted:There are more women playing games than teenage boys at this point(Guess who all the major AAA games are still targeted at anyway) "Wait, why are all the kids these days playing touchscreen games?"
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Space Poodle posted:All I can hear, every time one of them complains about women not having "hobbies," is that they are rull, rull unhappy there aren't more real girls playing World of Warcraft. Edit to add: Cardboard Box A posted:"Gotta get 'em when they're teenagers, otherwise they won't ever grow up to play TITS OF WAR 4" If my sons (9 and 11) are representative examples, the next generation of gamers is mostly going to play deathmatch-style minigames on Minecraft servers.
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My favorite thing about Gamergate was how basically every pro-GG pundit had previously dissed gamers as permavirgin basement dwelling nerds who didn't live up to the standards of masculinity set by Our Esteemed Forefathers, but then instantly did a 1-80 once they realized they could exploit said demographic for attacks on political enemies and money. Matt Forney had to wipe all the stuff he'd said about starting a crusade against nerdines off the internet and internet archive, and he still didn't catch all of it https://archive.is/uWZsF
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Literally The Worst posted:i wish more women played warmahordes because it is a very good game and i wish more people in general played it, namaste harambe I don't like miniature games sorry 
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Lady Naga posted:I don't like miniature games sorry War machine owns bc it doesn't cost an arm a leg and your soul and also because it's about giant monsters and robots beating each other to death full stop so I'm sorry you lost your fun sense
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pookel posted:The funny part is that there are tons of women playing WoW, many of them using guy names so they don't have to deal with assholes. Probably half my characters are women in WoW, and while leveling one, there was a particularly memorable moment when a guy also playing as women starts flirting with me, so I played along because Violet Citadel is boring and I'm not retarded, but then he whispered me (to take things further, I guess?) and was disappointed that I'm not actually a woman in real life. Like, what exactly are guys expecting here?
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Lady Naga posted:I don't like miniature games sorry I have about a half-billion posts in the Warhammer thread so I can say with utmost expertise that miniature games are hot garbage.
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Literally The Worst posted:War machine owns bc it doesn't cost an arm a leg and your soul and also because it's about giant monsters and robots beating each other to death full stop so I'm sorry you lost your fun sense I like fun I just don't like having a bunch of little things to keep track of & my local gaming store is a tiny mall version so there aren't tables big enough for wargames. Joshmo posted:Probably half my characters are women in WoW, and while leveling one, there was a particularly memorable moment when a guy also playing as women starts flirting with me, so I played along because Violet Citadel is boring and I'm not retarded, but then he whispered me (to take things further, I guess?) and was disappointed that I'm not actually a woman in real life. Like, what exactly are guys expecting here? I've never gotten weird sex comments in games, I'm more likely to receive death threats than people wanting to ERP it's kind of offputting.
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Lady Naga posted:I like fun I just don't like having a bunch of little things to keep track of & my local gaming store is a tiny mall version so there aren't tables big enough for wargames. Odd, I generally play as female characters with gender-ambiguous usernames and I've gotten plenty of weird nerds bein' weird at me. Seems like there's a psychology graduate thesis to be had analyzing the specific aspects of usernames or behavior or whatever it is that makes creepers gonna creep.
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