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KingSlime posted:mmo's sound like a terrible thing to waste your adult life on There is a good reason the ffxi thread is titled stockholm syndrome and a bad case of crabs.
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ArtIsResistance posted:The best (only) way to get better gear if you're not doing the You can run palace of the dead now! You get a total of like 100 lore and 200 esoteric tomestones for spending like 3 hours doing the whole thing. It's super easy but really boring and you get to met the absolute worst people every server has to offer because as far as I can tell it's the only cross-server dungeon in the whole game! Aphrodite posted:If you're not doing the raids you don't need that gear anyway. What else are you going to do if not grind for better gear? KingSlime posted:mmo's sound like a terrible thing to waste your adult life on I want to die.
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Aug 11, 2016 23:05
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hardcore raids is to grind a currency up to a cap of 450 a week. The best way to do this is to do a roulette almost every day which has a whole 2 dungeons in it that update each patch (happens every 3-4 months). Looking it up an entire set of gear for ONE CLASS is 5,760 tomestones which takes 13 weeks (3-4 months 
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KingSlime posted:mmo's sound like a terrible thing to waste your adult life on This statement rests on an overly conventional definition of 'adult' and 'life'. It's best to assume a spherical goon when making these calculations.
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Aug 12, 2016 04:20
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KingSlime posted:mmo's sound like a terrible thing to waste your adult life on As opposed to literally every other kind of video game.
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Aug 12, 2016 04:27
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Guy Mann posted:As opposed to literally every other kind of video game. Not every game is designed from the ground up with the intention of getting players addicted as a fundamental part of its business model, unlike MMOs
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Aug 12, 2016 04:35
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Breetai posted:It's best to assume a spherical goon when making these calculations. Imagine four goons at the edge of a cliff.
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Aug 12, 2016 04:37
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What digirat said, I'm surprised it had to be spelled out for you.
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Aug 12, 2016 06:50
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Breetai posted:It's best to assume a spherical goon when making these calculations. I always assume sphericality but I might just be projecting.
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Aug 12, 2016 07:00
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So while talking about FF14, RNG already sucks right? It was really fun having to do fates (random events in the world... that you may have to level sync to) for RNG to drop 12, then again for 18, tokens to get your ultimate weapon. Nothing made you want to keep playing like spending all day in one zone grinding, eventually having a friend and an FC mate join you a few hours later and end the night getting their tokens while you still didn't get any. Why not do it for events for a mount?! Welcome to the Yokai Watch event! Someone REALLY loving loves making players run their stupid loving fates for days on end. E: And poo poo man, I was horribly burned by the Palace of the Dead thing. Its gimmick is that you start at level 1 and level separately from reality. Cause level sync was such a good mechanic I want an entire dungeon that revolves around it.
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Leal posted:So while talking about FF14, RNG already sucks right? It was really fun having to do fates (random events in the world... that you may have to level sync to) for RNG to drop 12, then again for 18, tokens to get your ultimate weapon. Nothing made you want to keep playing like spending all day in one zone grinding, eventually having a friend and an FC mate join you a few hours later and end the night getting their tokens while you still didn't get any. Ironically bumrushing fates is still better than having to party up with 90% of the community, having to sit through ten to twenty minutes of idiots arguing and kicking anyone for seemingly random reasons before they decide to finally actually do whatever five minute boss fight you waited an hour to do all just to wipe because it turns out everyone involved is a literal retard. Especially me for playing still. Also, yeah, real loving tired of palace of the dead but it's basically the only thing that doesn't have an insanely long queue these days.
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Aug 12, 2016 10:49
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Digirat posted:Not every game is designed from the ground up with the intention of getting players addicted as a fundamental part of its business model, unlike MMOs I think F2P phone games have beaten MMOs at their own game here by a pretty fair margin. Maybe that's why the genre is dying. Well, probably more to do with every other game having some sort of persistent online element these days.
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Aug 12, 2016 10:54
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In 9 attempts, I have not landed a single hit on the sniper boss in Furi. I have absolutely no idea how to even keep her from running away every time she appears on screen. Whatever bullshit trick there is to this fight, I can't figure it out, and they're not telling me. I've tried getting as close to her as fast as possible, counter-sniping, spray+pray, taking out all of the lovely drones, flanking, and none of it works.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:03
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Gonna agree with some stuff on AM2R, especially the Omega Metroids. The last stretch of the game just feels significantly less polished and less interesting than the rest. There's so much awesome stuff and new bosses and all that but right when you hit the first Omega it feels like the game goes on a pretty steep slope downwards. It's not bad really, just uninspired.
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Aug 12, 2016 13:27
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I'm bummed to hear about the metroid redux. It was the first game I ever got for the gameboy and while probably thoroughly worthless it still sits in it's case with the instruction manual on a shelf in my living room. I played the hell out of the game as a kid, searching for secrets, missiles and health tanks 
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Aug 12, 2016 14:04
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NotAnArtist posted:I'm bummed to hear about the metroid redux. It's still 200% worth playing and the best (if close to only) metroid game in a decade. Just don't be afraid to put it down if you get tired of it.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:15
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KingSlime posted:What digirat said, I'm surprised it had to be spelled out for you. Well the thing is Guy Mann is a moron.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:25
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HMS Boromir posted:It's still 200% worth playing and the best (if close to only) metroid game in a decade. Just don't be afraid to put it down if you get tired of it. Yeah. For a fan game it's insanely good and I can deal with the annoyances. The game is front loaded with goodness so don't really worry about the complaints people have has.
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Aug 12, 2016 14:26
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I suppose it's on PC? I haven't really looked into it, and if it were a tenner I'd pick it up. I know nothing is free of fault and I'm not worried about MUH CHILDHOOD MEMMEORRIES or anything
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Aug 12, 2016 15:24
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Totally free and on PC, yeah. It got yanked from the sites hosting it because of usual Nintendo C&D but I'm sure you can find it off of a friend and I believe the torrent for it is up still.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:25
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Digirat posted:Not every game is designed from the ground up with the intention of getting players addicted as a fundamental part of its business model, unlike MMOs Its not simply addiction with some mmo games. It really is Stockholm syndrome in some cases. It's less carrot on a stick and more defending stickbeatings. There are players of ffxi out there that host private servers with unaltered old era pre-expansions settings, complaining that the current game is too easy. All the old masochistic poo poo intact and encouraged. Prenerf av with his several hour grind fight. Prenerf salvage with <1% droprates. Ground kings with their 3-7 day spawn windows.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:36
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KingSlime posted:What digirat said, I'm surprised it had to be spelled out for you. I'm sorry, I forgot that jokes are illegal in PYF.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:44
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Jokes are usually funny? Nah I see what you're saying. I'd agree that gaming is a great chill hobby, but without having proper "productive" hobbies I'd feel like a waste of skin thinking about the hours I spent in bloodborne.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:55
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If you hate yourself for playing videogames or a videogame then don't play videogames or a videogame. Also I always love people who, when a joke goes completely over their head, they just go like "Oh that wasn't funny"
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Aug 12, 2016 16:22
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ArtIsResistance posted:If you hate yourself for playing videogames or a videogame then don't play videogames or a videogame. It probably sounds absurd but video game addition, especially with MMOs, is very real and unfortunately it isn't as easy as just stopping. It's easy to fall into a sunk cost fallacy and keep digging deeper in hopes for some return. I was genuinely in a bad spot with WoW and World of Tanks for a long time before I had to quit them hard and just outright give up any game that makes you chase a carrot forever with no actual payoff.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:31
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KingSlime posted:Jokes are usually funny? I see what you did there.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:46
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Inco posted:In 9 attempts, I have not landed a single hit on the sniper boss in Furi. I have absolutely no idea how to even keep her from running away every time she appears on screen. Whatever bullshit trick there is to this fight, I can't figure it out, and they're not telling me. I've tried getting as close to her as fast as possible, counter-sniping, spray+pray, taking out all of the lovely drones, flanking, and none of it works. The trick as I remember it is to wait until she's lining up a shot before you dash over to whatever platform she's on. Hang out on the other side of the gap until she takes aim at you, then dash across, take cover on the platform, and you should be able to lay into her before she runs away again.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:50
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Guy Mann posted:I'm sorry, I forgot that jokes are illegal in PYF.
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HMS Boromir posted:It's still 200% worth playing and the best (if close to only) metroid game in a decade. Just don't be afraid to put it down if you get tired of it. That is loving bleak. The Prime trilogy were fantastic, and Super Metroid is goddam fantastic even 20 years on. Even indie Metroidvania's are pretty thin on the ground. Axiom Verge was decent, but focused too much on new weapons, and the plot was incoherent nonsense. Pleasantly Giger-y though.
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I don't think I've ever heard Giger's work described as pleasant before. Axiom Verge did have a goddamn amazing aesthetic and it only got better as the game went on and what's her name finally reveals her true form  .My problem is that it really did feel a bit too directionless at times. Not that I wanted my hand heald or anything but just figuring out where the gently caress to use a new power up was drat near impossible and I have no idea how you're ever supposed to find some of the secrets, especially poo poo that uses the password system.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:11
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KingSlime posted:Jokes are usually funny? Who the gently caress works full time and has time for more than one hobby?
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Aug 12, 2016 17:20
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Deified Data posted:Who the gently caress works full time and has time for more than one hobby? Well if you're describing minimal energy poo poo like videogames and watching TV as a hobby then it's not very hard to do things like that and also you realize that hobby is a really broad term and they don't all take the exact same amount of time to uhhhhhhhhhhh do.
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Re: F2P games, it's not a coincidence that many MMOs are now F2P or had to change to F2P from a subscription model in order to survive. both encourage the same lovely practices based around keeping players hooked through addiction rather than through compelling game design or aesthetics. It is a unique brand of scumminess to study how addiction works just so you can intentionally incorporate it into your game. FactsAreUseless posted:Yeah, so you'll be in big trouble if you ever make one. 
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Digirat posted:Re: F2P games, it's not a coincidence that many MMOs are now F2P or had to change to F2P from a subscription model in order to survive. both encourage the same lovely practices based around keeping players hooked through addiction rather than through compelling game design or aesthetics. I know I saw part of a documentary about MMO addiction and whatnot a long time ago. Any idea if there's been any real in depth studies about the tactics they use to rope in players and keep them hooked, especially "whales" with f2p things? I'm sure people who fall prey to the predatory practices of F2P style games are also the sorts who can blow a life savings in an afternoon at a casino.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:32
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I remember probably like 8 years back some goon posted about how his dad had bankrupted their family buying tens of thousands of dollars of "gpotatos" in some lovely KMMO called Fly For Fun.
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Overwatch gives players a bonus xp multiplier when they group up and enter the matchmaking together, which is dumb because not only does it encourage team stacking, it also encourages poo poo like this:  (the stars mean they have prestiged, each star basically = 100 levels) People using high-leveled players (either their friends or randos) to boost new players. What this leads to is matches with several high level players and then one or two randos who just bought the game, so there's a big dearth in general player skill on one side.
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Aug 12, 2016 21:28
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oh no the game encourages people to play in a group with friends how awful Also while yes some people might be using it to smurf, plenty of them are just newbies who want to play with their friends who have already been playing a while.
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Aug 12, 2016 21:32
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Man, a game doesn't need to encourage people to play in a group with friends. If they're your friends then I think you would play with them even if you didn't get an XP bonus for doing so
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Slime posted:oh no the game encourages people to play in a group with friends how awful Grouping together doesn't deserve a bonus to the carrot on a stick just because you did it. Playing as a team in a team based game is baseline what is expected of you. CJacobs has a new favorite as of 22:06 on Aug 12, 2016 |
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I've had nothing but bad experiences when I pair up with my friend, we're about the same level and solo we do fine, but together we get paired versus 6 man pre-mades way above us in skill level.
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Why are you assuming they wouldn't group if there was no bonus? You don't know them.
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