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Why cookie Rocket posted:Like look there's nothing I want more than for man to explore outer space. I'd happily leave my wife and kids to colonize Mars if I just get to be some small part of it. But we're too busy with what celebrities think and we're wasting all our fuel on military patrols and faster trips to grandmas house. Think about the gun control debate for 20 seconds and then try to tell me with a straight face that this horrible species has the mental discipline to even begin (much less complete) a multi-generational trip to alpha centauri. I'm still telling you: space is pointless, space sucks, it's really difficult, and there's nothing interesting about it. This place where life magically appeared and got smart enough to have pointless gun control debates and talk about celebrities, this place is the real poo poo.
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Also the Defiant is awesome.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I'm still telling you: space is pointless, space sucks, it's really difficult, and there's nothing interesting about it. This place where life magically appeared and got smart enough to have pointless gun control debates and talk about celebrities, this place is the real poo poo. space has lots of building materials and lots of space. it has a lot of potential in my opinion.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:22
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Here's some more recent news about the new Star Trek show. http://arstechnica.com/the-multiverse/2016/08/new-trek-series-committed-to-casting-diversity-main-character-wont-be-captain/ 10 years before TOS might mean war with the Romulans? It also says the lead will be an Admiral which gives a BSG vibe. I'm hoping that they don't use the prequel as another excuse for introducing the Borg and instead just make every episode a slow submarine style battle like Star Trek II.
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Aug 12, 2016 15:34
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RVWinkle posted:10 years before TOS might mean war with the Romulans? No quote:It also says the lead will be an Admiral which gives a BSG vibe. no it' doesn't, other things have admirals too
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Aug 12, 2016 15:35
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I would have changed Voyager quite a bit. I probably stole the idea from someone else: Make Janeway much younger and hotter. Make her like a brand new Lieutenant Commander or something at the start. Ship gets stranded, Captain is killed, first officer is killed, doctor and chief engineer are killed, it's all hosed up and this very eager but inexperienced young officer has to take command. Then make the Chokotay character even older, make him a retired ex-Admiral who joined the Maquis. Like he knows everything there is to know about running Starfleet ships but walked away from that, and now he's forced to be subordinate to someone he just knows can't handle it. Then you get interesting conflict.
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Aug 12, 2016 16:26
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cheerfullydrab posted:and there's nothing interesting about it 
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Aug 12, 2016 17:06
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they should have trapped the cast on the set and filmed them for 75 years and they'd have space kids and it would be a generational ship/show, that would be good tv
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Aug 12, 2016 17:06
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:they should have trapped the cast on the set and filmed them for 75 years and they'd have space kids and it would be a generational ship/show, that would be good tv So, the Truman Show mixed with Ascension?
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Aug 12, 2016 17:10
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Cthulu Carl posted:So, the Truman Show mixed with Ascension? The Harry Kim show. 75 years of being a futuristic Elliot Rodgers.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:11
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Cthulu Carl posted:So, the Truman Show mixed with Ascension? yeah sure sounds good edit: speaking of Ascension what was the verdict on in it? Bad right? Haven't gotten around to it yet, but it has that cylon chick in it 
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Aug 12, 2016 17:18
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Seven of Nine organizes the young, single crew members into a stable of hookers for the command staff, and uses them to consolidate her power. Someone questions where the torpedoes come from and is beaten to death because the initial crew was conditioned by shocking everyone when even one person asked the question.
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Aug 12, 2016 17:21
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:yeah sure sounds good It was pretty bad, yeah. I actually don't remember much about it at all except for the hooker thing.
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FuturePastNow posted:I would have changed Voyager quite a bit. I probably stole the idea from someone else: Keep going, i'm almost there
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Aug 12, 2016 17:28
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Voyager should have cast well-known actors in all those roles and then killed them in the first episode. Keep the real cast secret.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Ugh, I'm on the DS9 episode where the Cardassian raised as a Bajoran gets stuck with the O'Brien family, so Cakehole decides to treat him like a Cardassian rather than his adopted culture. gently caress me, she is dumb and then he and obrien bond over being racist against the cardies and sentimental music plays
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Aug 12, 2016 17:38
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Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm pretty sure putting Keiko O'Brien in a schoolroom full of innocent children from a variety of species counts as both malicious child abuse and an interplanetary incident. yes but apparently she's fine off her rear end to multiple alien species somehow and that really does buy you a lotta leeway
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Aug 12, 2016 17:46
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Cthulu Carl posted:Seven of Nine organizes the young, single crew members into a stable of hookers for the command staff, and uses them to consolidate her power. Insert that voyager video where they count the 1 million torpedoes they fire. Also they dropped the idea of limited torpedos sometime in Season 4, I don't remember exactly. The last time they mention it might have been year of hell (even though the timeline was reset they still were talking about limits that would carry over to a good timeline) like only having 30 of them left and not wanting to waste them. Then the start of Season 5 they fire like 20 in one episode at those garbage people and quit talking about how many are on board. It had to be a writers conscious decision to drop the limit instead of lack of attention to detail because it was such an abrupt change. For 4 years they kinda don't really use them and occasionally talk about how they only have so many then BAM that garbage people episode they fire like 6 in a row at something, then 6 in a row again and you hear the sound from inside the bridge while Tuvok is doing drivebys. After that you hear "FULL SPREAD" a lot (x5) so there must have been some bad ratings or focus group testing or something during Season 4 saying it was boring or they never explode things enough. At least from the start they never gave a poo poo about trying to keep up the shuttle illusion. They said one time at the start of the series "We have two shuttles" and then lose like 17 over the course of the show.
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Maybe it's possible to replicate new ones at great expense, which is why they're always on replicator rations and poo poo because it's all going towards ammo and shuttles.
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Why cookie Rocket posted:Like look there's nothing I want more than for man to explore outer space. I'd happily leave my wife and kids to colonize Mars if I just get to be some small part of it. But we're too busy with what celebrities think and we're wasting all our fuel on military patrols and faster trips to grandmas house. Think about the gun control debate for 20 seconds and then try to tell me with a straight face that this horrible species has the mental discipline to even begin (much less complete) a multi-generational trip to alpha centauri. On the other hand 99% of humans have always been dumbo idiots since the beginning of man and we've managed to get this far. Actually things are pretty good relative to any other point in history if you get out of the gloom and doom of the media cycle 
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Baronjutter posted:Maybe it's possible to replicate new ones at great expense, which is why they're always on replicator rations and poo poo because it's all going towards ammo and shuttles. nah they said "We have bullshit amount of torpedoes" "AND NO WAY TO REPLACE THEM WHEN THEY ARE GONE!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIGxMENwq1k
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Baronjutter posted:Maybe it's possible to replicate new ones at great expense, which is why they're always on replicator rations and poo poo because it's all going towards ammo and shuttles. One thing I loved with Battlestar Galactica is the Battlestars aren't just big military carriers hauling Vipers about, they're mobile logistics and supply bases too. Some poor bastard's day is just churning out bullet after bullet for the Galactica's magazines so it doesn't have to go tearing back home to resupply after a single fight. The Pegasus being able to outright build new Vipers was cool for the same reason, and a good handwave for replenishing the Galactica's squadron attrition over two seasons.
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FuturePastNow posted:I would have changed Voyager quite a bit. I probably stole the idea from someone else: I just watched Disaster today (s5e5) and it basically sounds like the plot of that episode, with counselor Troi taking command and being way out of her element, and O'Brien and Ro taking orders but knowing she's completely clueless.
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I just figured that the reason O'Brien suffers so much was because during TNG the actors were offered a choice between getting to direct an episode or a cash bonus and Colm Meaney chose the cash every time.
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shadow puppet of a posted:Keiko on the other hand is just a chore to be around. If she sat down at your table at Quarks she'd knowingly put in the minimum minute and a half of conversation before a big pout comes out and its time to gripe about the time miles wasn't keen on eating a bowl of fricandeau stew or how hard she has it waiting for her next botany excursion to a planet full of starving people. so, like, where is this coming from? are you drawing on personal experience here? i still feel like there's more being read into Keiko's character than is actually there
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Moridin920 posted:On the other hand 99% of humans have always been dumbo idiots since the beginning of man and we've managed to get this far. Oh for sure but learning to not dump the bodies in the drinking water is not very difficult compared to extrasolar space travel.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:I just figured that the reason O'Brien suffers so much was because during TNG the actors were offered a choice between getting to direct an episode or a cash bonus and Colm Meaney chose the cash every time. Colm Meaney wasn't even on the main cast during TNG, he was just a recurring co-star or something. Probably not even on contract until DS9.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:One thing I loved with Battlestar Galactica is the Battlestars aren't just big military carriers hauling Vipers about, they're mobile logistics and supply bases too. Some poor bastard's day is just churning out bullet after bullet for the Galactica's magazines so it doesn't have to go tearing back home to resupply after a single fight. The Pegasus being able to outright build new Vipers was cool for the same reason, and a good handwave for replenishing the Galactica's squadron attrition over two seasons. That was actually a thing in BSG? I honestly don't remember, but it's been a long rear end time since I watched it.
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Cthulu Carl posted:That was actually a thing in BSG? I honestly don't remember, but it's been a long rear end time since I watched it. Yeah there was even an episode with a saboteur making the shells explode prematurely which caused a Viper's gun to explode. Pegasus and Galactica both had ammo production but Pegasus being the newer/better one had Viper production and stuff too.
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I'm surprised no one website has made a comprehensive list of all the horrible things that have happened to O'Brien.
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Cthulu Carl posted:That was actually a thing in BSG? I honestly don't remember, but it's been a long rear end time since I watched it. The guy was half right. Galactica itself didn't do that stuff, but there were ships in the fleet where it happened. There was even an episode or two where people were like "I just got on this one ship to see my aunt, then while I was on board, everybody I knew got vaporized by Cylons, and ever since then I've been refining algae 16 hours a day every day. Please make things suck less." and Adama was all like "gently caress you, get back to work."
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Jimong5 posted:I just watched Disaster today (s5e5) and it basically sounds like the plot of that episode, with counselor Troi taking command and being way out of her element, and O'Brien and Ro taking orders but knowing she's completely clueless. The Troi plot element is so goofy as gently caress to me, because on the one hand it's after the writers successfully pushed to reinstate enlisted people, but on the other hand these same writers apparently forgot (or decided to ignore) that just because the medical officers are higher-ranked doesn't mean they're actually in line for command. Like if an aircraft carrier suddenly lost all its senior officers, the carrier wouldn't find itself under the command of Commander Dentist, it'd go to some lieutenant who's actually a line officer. TOS even loving knew about this, when Spock relieved himself he didn't pass command to McCoy, it went to some one-episode Lieutenant. I genuinely wonder if the writers consciously wanted to make the Enterprise more of a deathtrap because it sure feels like the ship was way more willing to explode itself in the second half of the series.
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Yesterday I watched an episode of DS9 and it started off with O'Brien lying on the floor injured. He jumped a few hours into the future several times because of some technobabble and saw himself get killed or saw his own corpse. I like to think that this is a normal day to him.
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DS9's crew actually needed a counselor. TNG less so. They had an autist and a Klingon. And Data.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:One thing I loved with Battlestar Galactica is the Battlestars aren't just big military carriers hauling Vipers about, they're mobile logistics and supply bases too. Some poor bastard's day is just churning out bullet after bullet for the Galactica's magazines so it doesn't have to go tearing back home to resupply after a single fight. The Pegasus being able to outright build new Vipers was cool for the same reason, and a good handwave for replenishing the Galactica's squadron attrition over two seasons. I dislike BSG more than Voyager because it went up it's own rear end so deeply that you could see daylight on the other end.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Colm Meaney wasn't even on the main cast during TNG, he was just a recurring co-star or something. Probably not even on contract until DS9. I just remember that's what he said in an interview once. Maybe he was talking about DS9.
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Trast posted:I dislike BSG more than Voyager because it went up it's own rear end so deeply that you could see daylight on the other end. post/av combo
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Big Mean Jerk posted:post/av combo I enjoy irony in all forms. 
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Trast posted:I dislike BSG more than Voyager because it went up it's own rear end so deeply that you could see daylight on the other end. You are comparing getting terrible food poisoning at the end of a really fantastic meal to eating a seven course poo poo meal that is poo poo all the way through. I'll take that 70/30 Fantastic/Terrible split to the 100% Terrible split any day. No matter if the 30% of BSG is the worst thing since the holocaust.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:post/av combo I liked Mass Effect up until the end of it. People say the same thing about BSG but well... I thought it was kinda boring. I'm like an insane weirdo who likes the original BSG more than the new one because it's a cheesy as hell bootleg Star Wars.
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