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Lightning Lord posted:Honestly, I think Contessa is a fine thing, and the beefs surrounding it are dismaying. ... But in the end, it's not my place to say, really. That's pretty much how I fall on it too. I figure I'll just appreciate what Contessa is achieving and leave it at that.
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Libertad! posted:I can't say for sure if it's happened before with other tabletop crowdfunded projects, but continued dissatisfaction and lack of communication with a Pathfinder adventure Throne of Night inspired a letter-writing campaign to KickStarter staff made up of dissatisfied backers. Unless I'm remembering wrong the delay between releases for for "Way of the Wicked" was much longer. Most of the books we're 1-2 months behind schedule. It sucks for the backers, but they should have seen it coming.
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I tweeted about the Beaners thing and got a reply from Shanna Germaine. Well, two. https://twitter.com/ShannaGermain/status/761674890428739584 https://twitter.com/ShannaGermain/status/761675893597204480
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Kemper Boyd posted:I tweeted about the Beaners thing and got a reply from Shanna Germaine. Well, two. loving Christ. Seriously? This is the same game where there's an "Elemental plane of Native American Stereotypes" Where only a very small percentage of the population are technically sentient, right?
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Kemper Boyd posted:I tweeted about the Beaners thing and got a reply from Shanna Germaine. Well, two. Oh boy here we go again!
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Different game, but same publisher/writers. And sure, it's nice that there's no racism in your book. drat shame that book exists in a world where that's still very much a loving problem. Dulkor fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 5, 2016 |
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Aug 5, 2016 22:54
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Well poo poo, wrap it up, looks like Monte Cook just obliterated the concept of racial slurs.
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In my totally-not-racist fantasy world there are a group of people who do night-digging, an activity that has been abbreviated to "nigging" - and you can guess what these people are called, but it's not racist because I wrote in my book that it's not racist!
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Dulkor posted:Different game, but same publisher/writers. https://twitter.com/ShannaGermain/status/761677229550080000
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Aug 5, 2016 23:01
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Kemper Boyd posted:I tweeted about the Beaners thing and got a reply from Shanna Germaine. Well, two. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they published a D&D supplement where the dwellers of the Underdark are referred to as "Darkies".
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Aug 5, 2016 23:06
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This is more or less what happens when you are to whatever degree less ignorant and lovely then a lot of people around you, but then take a logical leap into "this means I'm never lovely" town. It's also the problem if homogeneous design studios. What's the editing process if nobody caught this? Who are the editors that don't notice this?
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You know, in the interest of compare and contrast, today Evil Hat released a preview of one of their upcoming Fate mini-supplements called "Red Planet", which is very heavily based on Soviet sci-fi and is based on the idea that Russia colonized Mars and turned it into a for-real worker's utopia (which was a major theme of Soviet sci-fi). But then they have a full-page sidebar about how, while the game is based on the hoepful themes of the source material, it's important to not forget how terrible the real Soviet Union. It's basically saying that, while in the world of the game Communism (or "progressive materialism", as it's called in-setting) worked and created a utopia, they're not trying to whitewash what actually happened in our world.
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Kemper Boyd posted:https://twitter.com/ShannaGermain/status/761674890428739584 Hey, if you misunderstand their intent, that's on you. Why should the author take any responsibility for the possible impacts of his speech? 
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In the far distant future of 30XX where racism is but a quaint memory, the Kike Federation keeps the galaxy safe from the encroaching menace of the alien incursors known only as the Wops.
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Evil Mastermind posted:You know, in the interest of compare and contrast, today Evil Hat released a preview of one of their upcoming Fate mini-supplements called "Red Planet", which is very heavily based on Soviet sci-fi and is based on the idea that Russia colonized Mars and turned it into a for-real worker's utopia (which was a major theme of Soviet sci-fi). Neat! I want to buy two copies of this and send one to Ken Hite with a passive aggressive inscription referencing Gurps Alternate Earths. Edit: Google is failing me, do you have a link to this. It does sound really interesting. Glorified Scrivener fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Aug 6, 2016 |
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That sort of defense is unfortunately exceedingly common when I attempted to point out the Beaner reference elsewhere.
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Glorified Scrivener posted:Neat! I want to buy teo copies of this and send one to Ken Hite with a passive aggressive inscription referencing Gurps Alternate Earths. Well it's not actually out yet. They released an art free preview draft to $4 and higher backers on Patreon.
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Kwyndig posted:Well it's not actually out yet. They released an art free preview draft to $4 and higher backers on Patreon. Well that'd be why. All my Patreon money is accounted for so I'll just have to wait. Thanks.
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Yeah, it's one of EH's "Worlds of Adventure" they're releasing through their Patreon. Unfortunately I can't tell you when it's coming out because they only do like one a month and they're currently a little off-schedule.
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LongDarkNight posted:Unless I'm remembering wrong the delay between releases for for "Way of the Wicked" was much longer. Most of the books we're 1-2 months behind schedule. It sucks for the backers, but they should have seen it coming. Not exactly. Way of the Wicked, Book 1, was back in late 2011, and Book 6 released in early 2013. The total completion of the main AP was estimated to be March 2014. Throne of Night Book 1 came out in October 2013. Book 2 April 17th, 2014. Then nothing since.
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ProfessorCirno posted:This is more or less what happens when you are to whatever degree less ignorant and lovely then a lot of people around you, but then take a logical leap into "this means I'm never lovely" town. Shanna Germain, the person in the tweet, is their lead editor.
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Caedar posted:Shanna Germain, the person in the tweet, is their lead editor. [sad trombone.wav]
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Error 404 posted:[sad trombone.wav] I think you mean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GaXa8tSBE
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Kwyndig posted:I think you mean Yes!
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Caedar posted:Shanna Germain, the person in the tweet, is their lead editor. Lead editor and co-owner of monte cook games, publishers of both Numenera and The Strange. They also made "No Thank You, Evil!" which just won an ennie for Best Family Game. Which is misleading, because the only thing it could be best at is making little girls cry for daring to be princesses.
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Comrade Koba posted:At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they published a D&D supplement where the dwellers of the Underdark are referred to as "Darkies". Good work, I'm totally gonna use that with my high elf PC
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Nuns with Guns posted:Lead editor and co-owner of monte cook games, publishers of both Numenera and The Strange. They also made "No Thank You, Evil!" which just won an ennie for Best Family Game. Which is misleading, because the only thing it could be best at is making little girls cry for daring to be princesses. It helps that the games panic phrase is also it's title, so you never have to play it.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Yeah, it's one of EH's "Worlds of Adventure" they're releasing through their Patreon. Unfortunately I can't tell you when it's coming out because they only do like one a month and they're currently a little off-schedule. AFAIK, we don't yet have art for Red Planet, while we do have a bunch for a couple other releases, so my guess is it'll be a few months at least.
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According to Black Diamond Games, Pathfinder is going down the pooper. (quoted from ENWorld; apparently from a closed BDG facebook group.) "Pathfinder is in its twilight for us at the store. Even some of the core books don't sell well anymore. You can expect a big sale on Pathfinder books soon, about 125 items, including a few hard covers, many adventure path books and supplements. We're trying to keep mats cohesive, so they won't be on sale, although they should be." "Based on the patterns, the problem is clearly about getting new players, which Pathfinder gets few of with 5E available. It's a hard sell at this late stage for a staff member to suggest Pathfinder when 5E is right there."
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I guess you can no longer say that nothing good came of 5e D&D.
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Problem is, where does a store go with 5e sales, particularly to players? I mean, you sell them the Player's Handbook, and the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, and then...? What? Point them to the Dungeon Master's Guild and show them the door? Another thing, of course, is a big moneymaker for Pathfinder are subscriptions, which stores don't get to see anything of. It seems like a lose / lose proposition for stores, which is probably inevitable in today's market, but it's a lot rougher to consider when you know people who do run game stores.
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Scyther posted:I guess you can no longer say that nothing good came of 5e D&D. Boooosh
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dwarf74 posted:According to Black Diamond Games, Pathfinder is going down the pooper. To be fair, BDG is a store that aggressively drops games that don't sell to expectations. For example, they fire saled all of their Warmachine and Hordes stock earlier this year and I don't think anyone would claim that games dying.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Problem is, where does a store go with 5e sales, particularly to players?
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Interesting. I remember BDG going in big for Pathfinder when it first arrived (they were really surprised by how strongly it sold initially and shifted their ordering to match). The guy who owns/runs BDG is really good about aggressively following where his sales data leads and getting rid of dead stock when it stops moving.
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I hope this means my long nightmare of not wanting to play either 4th Edition or Pathfinder, due to not wanting to have to get into a blood feud deathmatch with half my friends, is finally over.
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If you have friends playing 4e years after it has stopped being officially supported then I think it's pretty safe to assume your friends who like Pathfinder will likely continue to play it when a few stores comment that it's harder to sell now.
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FMguru posted:Interesting. I remember BDG going in big for Pathfinder when it first arrived (they were really surprised by how strongly it sold initially and shifted their ordering to match). The guy who owns/runs BDG is really good about aggressively following where his sales data leads and getting rid of dead stock when it stops moving. As crazy as that seems, that's a good way to run a store. You don't want to be the store that still has the remnants of D20 shovelware books and 90's treadmill supplements from publishers like White Wolf still on the shelves. It's not really that surprising for someone to proclaim that Pathfinder is done. It would be like being shocked when a 90 year old person dies and in the case of Pathfinder, one who drinks a bottle of Jack Daniels a day and smokes a pack and a half a day. Pathfinder lived a lot longer than it had any right to with the amount of books they put out.
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Countblanc posted:If you have friends playing 4e years after it has stopped being officially supported then I think it's pretty safe to assume your friends who like Pathfinder will likely continue to play it when a few stores comment that it's harder to sell now. I want Pathfinder 2e to finally get announced so Paizo can lock down their own rules system they don't have to share with anyone and mostly so I can see all the tears and mental gymnastics.
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S.J. posted:I want Pathfinder 2e to finally get announced so Paizo can lock down their own rules system they don't have to share with anyone and mostly so I can see all the tears and mental gymnastics. Won't happen. They had their chance with Unchained and deliberately didn't take it.
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