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EvilElmo posted:Greens policy on this issue is so successful, they lost ground at this election. how does it feel to be a systematic torture and rape apologist?
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Recoome posted:how does it feel to be a systematic torture and rape apologist?
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starkebn posted:It's there an article someone can point me too that discusses why each state has 12 senators and what the pro and con arguments are? It's not an intuitive way for the system to be set up. As GPD said, the senate is intended as the States' house. Smaller colonies like Tasmania were given equal representation in the senate to ensure they would not be easily railroaded by whatever policies the more populous colonies wanted. Without that they probably wouldn't have federated.
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Aug 13, 2016 01:36
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Tasmania should have more Senators, tbh. WA should have half a senator. NSW should have none.
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ZombyDog posted:Oh no, policy that isn't raping children in offshore hellholes isn't popular with the electorate, we should abandon it in favour of more child raping because that's where the votes are. Wait, in earlier threads posters in here kept saying how popular Greens policies were when you actually talked to people about them. This included offshore detention. Because as mentioned earlier, it seems the only thing these threads talk about. That and making poo poo up/reposting some unfounded claim on twitter as fact then getting all riled up about it. So, is the Greens policy on offshore detention popular with the electorate or have posters finally accepted reality?
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EvilElmo posted:Wait, in earlier threads posters in here kept saying how popular Greens policies were when you actually talked to people about them. This included offshore detention. Because as mentioned earlier, it seems the only thing these threads talk about. That and making poo poo up/reposting some unfounded claim on twitter as fact then getting all riled up about it. Are you seriously equating how popular a policy is with how good it is?? Like seriously I bet the Final Solution to the Jewish Question was pretty popular back in the '30s in a little country you may have heard of.
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Like this is prob going to sound weird to someone who is a die-hard ALP supporter but some times people have these things called "ethics" and "principles", which are kind of like self-imposed guidelines which inform behaviour and positions towards things. These may not be popular or translate into nice little soundbites but basically, in this case, people are opposing systematic torture of refugees and First Australians because it goes against ethics and principles of human equality and justice.
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Recoome posted:Are you seriously equating how popular a policy is with how good it is?? I don't think I said that anywhere. No, I re-read that post, doesn't appear to be there. Feel free to highlight the section where I said that. Something I have said many times is the average Green voter likes to think they hold mainstream views, that the public broadly support them and if it wasn't for unions/corporations/dodgy donations they would be able to form Government with a huge majority. But that isn't the reality, as I've also said many times 20% (+?13%) of Green voters think the Liberal approach is either too soft, or spot on. As we saw this election, the heat/interest in this issue is dropping off. The Guardian posted their latest leaks at the wrong time, there is the Census thing that more people are talking about. Hell I think in this thread more time has been spent talking about the Census than about the leaks. Popular policy != good policy. But if you want to get elected, you need to have some popular policies and clearly explain other more contentious policies. The Greens have had a long time now to win the argument on asylum seekers, but they can't even convince 20+13% of their own base. Recoome posted:Like this is prob going to sound weird to someone who is a die-hard ALP supporter but some times people have these things called "ethics" and "principles", which are kind of like self-imposed guidelines which inform behaviour and positions towards things. These may not be popular or translate into nice little soundbites but basically, in this case, people are opposing systematic torture of refugees and First Australians because it goes against ethics and principles of human equality and justice. 20+13% of the Green voters support. EvilElmo fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Aug 13, 2016 01:51
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EvilElmo posted:I don't think I said that anywhere. No, I re-read that post, doesn't appear to be there. Feel free to highlight the section where I said that. EvilElmo posted:Greens policy on this issue is so successful, they lost ground at this election. Reading: Hard.
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Aesculus posted:Reading: Hard. Recoome posted:Are you seriously equating how popular a policy is with how good it is?? Hmmm. Nope, no mention of popular policy = good policy there. So yeah, reading: hard. Just, not for me.
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EvilElmo posted:Wait, in earlier threads posters in here kept saying how popular Greens policies were when you actually talked to people about them. This included offshore detention. Because as mentioned earlier, it seems the only thing these threads talk about. That and making poo poo up/reposting some unfounded claim on twitter as fact then getting all riled up about it. Ummmm we aren't talking about the abuse of refugees here? Is this the unfounded claim on Twitter? e: ughh your previous posting basically states that you think popular policy must therefore be good 
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Hand in your badge, Adolf.
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Recoome posted:Ummmm we aren't talking about the abuse of refugees here? Is this the unfounded claim on Twitter? Like, feel free to find that previous posting where I basically state something. Because I'm pretty sure I've only said that this policy is popular so if you want to stand a chance of forming Government you need to be on board with it. Pretty sure I've said that many times, which pisses off the Greens in here because they're of the view you can somehow form Government with a policy the majority of Australian's don't want and feel passionate about in marginal seats. Sorry, I'm bringing up unrelated things into the discussion, I thought that was allowed here. Since we pivot so well from Medicare to boats every other time. Or is that only allowed by the circle jerk?
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EvilElmo posted:Sorry, I'm bringing up unrelated things into the discussion, I thought that was allowed here. Since we pivot so well from Medicare to boats every other time. Or is that only allowed by the circle jerk? hahaha nice meltdown
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Aug 13, 2016 02:05
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EvilElmo is right about one thing - this thread is garbage.
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Aug 13, 2016 02:08
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starkebn posted:It's there an article someone can point me too that discusses why each state has 12 senators and what the pro and con arguments are? It's not an intuitive way for the system to be set up. Clark, Griffith and Kingston were all from smaller states  E: The constitutional requirement is for the original states to have an equal number of Senators. It was originally 6 per state but was increased to 12 in 1984. If, say, NT became a state there is no actual obligation to give then 12 Senators. Doctor Spaceman fucked around with this message at 02:18 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Endman posted:EvilElmo is right about one thing - this thread is garbage. yeah shut the gently caress up recoome
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Endman posted:EvilElmo is right about one thing - this thread is garbage. Trash belongs in the tip, after all.
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yeah shut up recoome
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The NT Deputy Chief Minister has widened the CLP's attack on the ABC's Four Corners program, saying it was responsible for people dying after a program it ran on the live cattle trade.
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Aug 13, 2016 03:56
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are yall on the brink of race war too? we are and Obama's approval rating over here is at 53% lmao. Asking as an Asian-American
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cargo cult posted:are yall on the brink of race war too? we are and Obama's approval rating over here is at 53% lmao. Asking as an Asian-American Australia has been constantly on the brink of race war for like 200 years.
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gay picnic defence posted:'Someone'? More like multiple someones. I'll be shocked if there aren't violent riots in the aftermath of Trump losing. There'll be poo poo like that Malheur occupation going on all over the US. Putin doesn't need Trump in power, having the country paralyzed by internal unrest will probably be sufficient for his goals
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Aug 13, 2016 04:52
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I like how they changed their tone after someone says that he's recording (he's from the ABC right?)
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Police and emergency services reporter. They hosed up.
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Aug 13, 2016 05:33
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Recoome posted:I like how they changed their tone after someone says that he's recording (he's from the ABC right?) He is the police and emergency services reporter.
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"your pupils aren't dilating and you're looking right at the sun!" Uh yeah, that's how eyes work you moron. That's a scary lack of understanding for a cop who's supposed to be able to reasonably suspect if someone is on drugs.
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Aussie cops look like a military surplus store fell on top of a second rate Security Guard. The uniform, or lack thereof, is dreadful.
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Aug 13, 2016 06:07
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Cuts down on the cost of needing actual stabproof material.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Australia has been actively waging race war for like 200 years.
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Milky Moor posted:yeah Recoome posts good stuff about rallys and antifa actions so don't shut up, Recoome.
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cargo cult posted:are yall on the brink of race war too? we are and Obama's approval rating over here is at 53% lmao. Asking as an Asian-American It feels like there's a general swing rightwards and more fascist stuff around but everything's going too well and we're generally more apathetic. We've also got more than 2 parties so there's not so much of the inner party conflict like bernie/hillary or Trump/everyone else. Plus being an island means you don't get anything like hispanic immigrants crossing the border, so there's less visibility.
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chaos rhames posted:It feels like there's a general swing rightwards and more fascist stuff around but everything's going too well and we're generally more apathetic. We've also got more than 2 parties so there's not so much of the inner party conflict like bernie/hillary or Trump/everyone else. Plus being an island means you don't get anything like hispanic immigrants crossing the border, so there's less visibility. This came out recently, from the last time we nearly had a race war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whn4q8HuC8g
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