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I'm not sure why people are complaining so much about Skype for Business and Outlook. They work pretty damned well for large organizations; I can contact virtually anyone in a large company easily, check their schedules, find out their contact info, and find out who they work for. It's really useful and fairly intuitive. What exactly do other utilities bring to the table?
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Dirk the Average posted:I'm not sure why people are complaining so much about Skype for Business and Outlook. They work pretty damned well for large organizations; I can contact virtually anyone in a large company easily, check their schedules, find out their contact info, and find out who they work for. It's really useful and fairly intuitive. In my previous company we used Lync, and so far that's the only point of reference I have for inter company messaging. I haven't tried the newer version, Skype for Business. Honestly, I thought it was pretty OK. I used it to ask questions from coworkers in other departments, and I preferred it to phone calls since I could just take my time searching for info, pasting it verbatim, etc. I never tried the voice and video parts of the software, so if those are terrible I wouldn't know, but it seemed to work well as a simple messaging service.
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Aug 15, 2016 12:59
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Skype for Business is fine, I think everyone was just complaining because of the stupid name and because that's at least the third time it's renamed in recent times.
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Aug 15, 2016 13:23
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Lync and Skype for Business are the sort of tools that are the reason Microsoft dominates office and government software in the same way Cisco dominates network switching gear: Boring but rock solid once configured, all while being heavily supported From what I gather they can be a bit of a pain to set up but there is an army of people out there trained and certified to do it.
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Aug 15, 2016 14:07
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Pretty much, people tend to forget that Microsoft (amidst failures such as Bing, Kinect and Windows 8) still is the king of business side solutions of many kinds.
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Aug 15, 2016 14:37
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They're one of the only companies willing to deal with the neverending shitshow of backwards compatibility. Apple won't even make Pages '14 open poo poo from Pages '09.
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Aug 15, 2016 14:49
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MiddleOne posted:Pretty much, people tend to forget that Microsoft (amidst failures such as Bing, Kinect and Windows 8) still is the king of business side solutions of many kinds. However, because revenue must forever grow exponentially, Microsoft continues to try and fail (with things such as Bing, Kinect and Windows 8) to be a hip consumer brand that people like, in a market that's already somewhat saturated and full of people with pre-existing bad views on Microsoft.
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Aug 15, 2016 14:51
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:However, because revenue must forever grow exponentially, Microsoft continues to try and fail (with things such as Bing, Kinect and Windows 8) to be a hip consumer brand that people like, in a market that's already somewhat saturated and full of people with pre-existing bad views on Microsoft. But people like Apple! They just need to copy some of the things Apple do and everyone will love Microsoft again!
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Aug 15, 2016 14:53
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blowfish posted:However, because revenue must forever grow exponentially, Microsoft continues to try and fail (with things such as Bing, Kinect and Windows 8) to be a hip consumer brand that people like, in a market that's already somewhat saturated and full of people with pre-existing bad views on Microsoft. They should just go full Nestle/Pepsico and develop so many subsidiary brands that no one on earth has any chance of being aware of what actually is a product made by Microsoft anymore.
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Aug 15, 2016 14:55
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hobbesmaster posted:But people like Apple! They just need to copy some of the things Apple do and everyone will love Microsoft again! Hello, I'm a Mac. Hello, I'm a PC. *mac slips on banana peel* MiddleOne posted:They should just go full Nestle/Pepsico and develop so many subsidiary brands that no one on earth has any chance of being aware of what actually is a product made by Microsoft anymore. That would be a good strategy, but some dumb exec will go apeshit about this dilution of ~brand identity~
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Aug 15, 2016 14:59
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blowfish posted:That would be a good strategy, but some dumb exec will go apeshit about this dilution of ~brand identity~ https://wheany.com/ms-branding/
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Aug 15, 2016 15:03
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blowfish posted:However, because revenue must forever grow exponentially, Microsoft continues to try and fail (with things such as Bing, Kinect and Windows 8) to be a hip consumer brand that people like, in a market that's already somewhat saturated and full of people with pre-existing bad views on Microsoft. I don't think it's about endless growth, it's that diversification is never a bad strategy, especially when you have as much capital as they do. When you just stick to what you're dominant in, you get Sears. No one thought they would ever be overtaken either.
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Aug 15, 2016 15:09
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computer parts posted:I don't think it's about endless growth, it's that diversification is never a bad strategy, especially when you have as much capital as they do. Sears was suicide by libertarianism though.
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computer parts posted:I don't think it's about endless growth, it's that diversification is never a bad strategy, especially when you have as much capital as they do. You'd think so but that hasn't stopped Pepsico shareholders from fighting for years over whether to split the company's many arms. (despite them all being massively profitable) Finance is all about MMO-nerd levels of min-maxing.
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Aug 15, 2016 15:13
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hobbesmaster posted:Sears was suicide by libertarianism though. It's not the best example, but probably the most recent one. Circuit City is another example because it failed to diversify, while Best Buy got in appliances and they're still hanging on somehow (albeit circling the drain because it's not quite enough). Most likely, Enterprise customers will continue to heavily rely on Microsoft products. There is a significant possibility that one day they will not, and if that happens in even a minor aspect (e.g., moving off of Microsoft server products) it could be very devastating to the future of the company. Better to invest some money now, and even if it's done incompetently it's still a better use than just sitting in a bank. computer parts fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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Aug 15, 2016 15:21
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computer parts posted:Circuit City is another example because it failed to diversify But Circuit City did diversify and they're still around in the (then revolutionary) form of CarMax. For those of us old enough, you ever wonder what happened to Woolworths? Been to a Foot Locker store recently?
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Aug 15, 2016 15:28
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hobbesmaster posted:Sears was suicide by libertarianism though. Sears was already on the downslope before he became CEO though, he just accelerated it to the grave.
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EnergizerFellow posted:But Circuit City did diversify and they're still around in the (then revolutionary) form of CarMax. For those of us old enough, you ever wonder what happened to Woolworths? Been to a Foot Locker store recently?
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computer parts posted:I don't think it's about endless growth, it's that diversification is never a bad strategy, especially when you have as much capital as they do. But as middleone suggested diversifying into brands other than Microsoft and Windows would be better.
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blowfish posted:But as middleone suggested diversifying into brands other than Microsoft and Windows would be better. Heard of Azure?
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Bird in a Blender posted:Sears was already on the downslope before he became CEO though, he just accelerated it to the grave. here's sears.txt on how exactly they hosed up before libertarian lord of the flies happened quote:Sears was started in the 1890's as a mail order business to compete against local general stores (think of all those westerns with "General Store" on one of the buildings - they were Sears competition). The guys Sears worked on railroads, and he saw all the middlemen tacking on markup as products moved west in the distribution chain until they go to the stores.
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drat you, beat me to Pastabagel.txt 
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Lync is good. Only problem is people who can't wait for an answer by email and keep sending me messages while i'm in a meeting.
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hobbesmaster posted:Sears was suicide by libertarianism though. the randroid dismantling sears is hilarious but what really killed sears is the same thing that's killing most other department stores, nobody under age 40 shops at department stores anymore since it's easier to buy individual things when you want them off the internet rather than buying multiple things you want all in one efficient shopping trip H.P. Hovercraft posted:here's sears.txt on how exactly they hosed up before libertarian lord of the flies happened this isn't true though, sears always had online shopping. they were just wedded to a brick and mortar business model that emphasized in-store pickup. you can't really blame sears for not radically changing tack and becoming an online only entity like amazon or really tripling down on logistics like wal mart. most big american retail chains are in decline for reasons very similar to sears - failure to capture a young demographic and the general decline of in-person shopping boner confessor fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Aug 15, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:I don't think it's about endless growth, it's that diversification is never a bad strategy, especially when you have as much capital as they do. Prodigy, Discover Card, Allstate, Coldwell Banker, etc?
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I really should refresh after going to lunch
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Popular Thug Drink posted:this isn't true though, sears always had online shopping. they were just wedded to a brick and mortar business model that emphasized in-store pickup. you can't really blame sears for not radically changing tack and becoming an online only entity like amazon or really tripling down on logistics like wal mart. most big american retail chains are in decline for reasons very similar to sears - failure to capture a young demographic and the general decline of in-person shopping You miss the underlining irony in that Sears was Amazon literally 100 years before Amazon. It is just an amusing footnote at this point of course.
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Lucy Heartfilia posted:Lync is good. Only problem is people who can't wait for an answer by email and keep sending me messages while i'm in a meeting. Yes except that Lync actually sucks.
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Aug 15, 2016 18:31
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hobbesmaster posted:You miss the underlining irony in that Sears was Amazon literally 100 years before Amazon. thats not irony? they were just a giagantic general retailer who thrived on mail order. only recently has amazon started reselling various home goods, for the longest time amazon was just a bookseller sears didn't fail for any extra special reason. retailers come and go based on shifts in buying patterns and technology. when was the last time you or anyone you know shopped at woolworths (aka foot locker)
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blugu64 posted:Yes except that Lync actually sucks. How, exactly? IM and videoconferencing works like you expect it to, screen sharing is effortless and let's you pass control easily, status indicators are automatically pulled from Exchange (but user-over-rideable), conversations save to Exchange if you want them to, and it integrates well with Cisco's IP telephone systems as well as webex. The interface is old but all that means is that you don't have to spend any time training people how to use it. My only complaint about it is that it has emoticons which auto fill if you type in certain character combinations and it is really annoying having (b) turn into a beer when I'm trying to reference a subsection of a law.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:thats not irony? they were just a giagantic general retailer who thrived on mail order. Sears invented mail order. It was a completely different way of shopping that radically changed the way americans shopped. Just like Amazon invented web shopping. It was a completely different way of shopping that radically changed the way americans shopped. *I think neither were technically the first, but just like "amazon" is synonymous with internet shopping, the sears catalog was synonymous with mail order shopping.
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Aug 15, 2016 18:53
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Call me when I can order a house with prime shipping 
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blugu64 posted:Call me when I can order a house with prime shipping Gingerbread or otherwise?
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Aug 15, 2016 18:59
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It was delivered a day late so I complained and got $5 in account credit. Going right to the mortgage!
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hobbesmaster posted:Sears invented mail order. It was a completely different way of shopping that radically changed the way americans shopped. correct, sears didn't invent mail order, amazon didn't invent web shopping. they're just the biggest names, respectively. it's still not irony, it would be irony if sears invested heavily in web shopping to the point of damaging their business only to be defeated by amazon. as is, sears has the same problem that best buy, macy's, kmart, etc. so on have - people just aren't going to stores as much anymore, especially not in the middle of the market. you either have high end luxury(ish) brands or cheapo generic retailers like wal mart. great big general department stores aren't in fashion anymore unless you can compete on price sears biggest problem isnt even their insane bad CEO, even if sears had a great CEO they'd still be declining because hardly anyone goes to department stores to get bedsheets, a new washer, some clothes for the kids, auto parts, and family reunion pictures all in the same trip in tyool 2016.
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computer parts posted:It's not the best example, but probably the most recent one. Circuit City is another example because it failed to diversify, while Best Buy got in appliances and they're still hanging on somehow (albeit circling the drain because it's not quite enough). Companies don't live forever. Instead of making extremely large investments to try to break into businesses they don't understand, Microsoft should consider just issuing dividends to shareholders. Of course, Wall Street would rather see big moves and unsustainable growth rather than a company making a steady, boring profit.
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hobbesmaster posted:You miss the underlining irony in that Sears was Amazon literally 100 years before Amazon. What I'd like to know is, what's this current "suicide by libertarianism" Sears is going through. That seems like a better story for this thread...
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e_angst posted:What I'd like to know is, what's this current "suicide by libertarianism" Sears is going through. That seems like a better story for this thread... Its "old news" by now, but heres the good slate story that sums it all up.
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e_angst posted:What I'd like to know is, what's this current "suicide by libertarianism" Sears is going through. That seems like a better story for this thread... an ayn rand fanboy leveraged a buyout of kmart, which he then used to buy sears, and he merged the two companies. he then imposed a policy where all the sears department heads have to compete internally for resources (!) leading to a breakdown of interdepartmental teamwork within the same stores which is a super bad strategy when you're already facing tough competition and falling sales. he also forced the adoption of an in-house social network which he uses to pick fights anonymously with entry level sales clerks
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Popular Thug Drink posted:correct, sears didn't invent mail order, amazon didn't invent web shopping. they're just the biggest names, respectively. it's still not irony, it would be irony if sears invested heavily in web shopping to the point of damaging their business only to be defeated by amazon. as is, sears has the same problem that best buy, macy's, kmart, etc. so on have - people just aren't going to stores as much anymore, especially not in the middle of the market. you either have high end luxury(ish) brands or cheapo generic retailers like wal mart. great big general department stores aren't in fashion anymore unless you can compete on price Thanks for defending ironys honor I appreciate it
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