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Gounads posted:I imagine it's better for the U.S. to lose jobs to automation here at home than jobs overseas to cheap labor? Sure, people lose jobs to machines, but less people/energy to create the same thing is a good thing for the country in the big picture. New types of (probably tech) jobs will develop to take their place. People will still be employed, but instead maybe as a mechanic (manufacturing/maintaining the equipment that replaced complete manual labor).
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Runaktla posted:I think so long as quality is not lost automation is a good thing. Should our farmers still be walking around with scythes and sickles? This is demonstrably untrue in the way that you're suggesting. No, our farmers shouldn't be walking around with scythes and sickles, but agriculture and supporting industries basically don't employ (relative to the labor force on the whole) anyone these days. Take a look at this table. Agricultural and manufacturing labor combined don't add up to even one quarter of the service labor force. Combined they only make up around 15% of the entire labor force. You don't replace a data entry job with an automated system and then go out and hire a higher paid IT guy to replace your data entry person and maintain the system. Jobs do go away and stay away. It's not strictly a bad thing, but the idea that automation creates new jobs in place of the ones it eliminated is too simplistic a view. The push into the service sector has legitimately replaced a lot of middle income jobs with lower income ones, and there's no reason to think that trend is going away and plenty of reasons to think it's going to get worse. Even the White House thinks that around 80% of jobs that currently pay less than $20/hour are vulnerable to automation.
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In other news Kansas state agencies are being asked to evaluate the impact of a 5% decrease in budget
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A bunch of poor people around the world with no jobs for money and lots of free time...sounds promising!
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effectual posted:A bunch of poor people around the world with no jobs for money and lots of free time...sounds promising! There will be plenty of new jobs for them, such as Prison Guard, Policeman, Parole Officer since there will be a whole new group of criminals.
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This is the time to start getting into carpentry, folks. Learn to make a guillotine and you'll be set.
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And if they need a religion that teaches that the physical, transient world is unimportant compared to the rewards of the afterlife, I have a couple of suggestions Christianity
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Can I pick the religion from Dead Space instead
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Isn't that basically Scientology?
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Concordat posted:Isn't that basically Scientology? So pretty accurate comparison, all in all.
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Old James posted:There will be plenty of new jobs for them, such as Prison Guard, Policeman, Parole Officer since there will be a whole new group of criminals. Some railroad tycoon or another said something that's pretty appropriate. "The funny thing about poor people is that I can hire half of them to kill the other half." That's paraphrasing but it's terrifying that some people have exactly that attitude.
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Paradoxish posted:You don't replace a data entry job with an automated system and then go out and hire a higher paid IT guy to replace your data entry person and maintain the system.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Some railroad tycoon or another said something that's pretty appropriate. "The funny thing about poor people is that I can hire half of them to kill the other half." That's paraphrasing but it's terrifying that some people have exactly that attitude. Jay Gould https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Gould
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Wikipedia says that quote is often attributed to him but can't find a source for it so he might not have said it. *** I just heard a story about how people in Kansas are having their Medicare benefits withdrawn because the state is out of money. Buy Medicare is a federal program; how can that happen? LLSix fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Aug 13, 2016 |
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Gould got an unnecessarily harsh reputation from the fact that he frequently outwitted other massively wealthy men, which offended them. So they tended to try to have him painted as the most evil to make themselves look good.
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LLSix posted:Wikipedia says that quote is often attributed to him but can't find a source for it so he might not have said it. Medicare funds are entrusted to the states to administer for some godawful reason or another. It's why some not accepting the expansion is a thing that can happen.
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paragon1 posted:Medicare funds are entrusted to the states to administer for some godawful reason or another. It's why some not accepting the expansion is a thing that can happen. Are you sure they aren't referring to medicaid? Medicare - health care for olds Medicaid - health care for poors Medicare is entirely federal I believe, medicaid is administered by the states with federal funding to help support it (not 100% though)
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fordham posted:Are you sure they aren't referring to medicaid? Ah, yes, I think you're right. 
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Wichita is talking about cutting their public transportation services altogether after 2019 because of that dumb law that freezes spending levels of municipal governments forever and ever until the end of time, things are working as intended
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fordham posted:Are you sure they aren't referring to medicaid? The person in the story is both poor and old. I got the information second hand though, so its possible the person talking with me was confused about which benefits were being cut. rscott posted:Wichita is talking about cutting their public transportation services altogether after 2019 because of that dumb law that freezes spending levels of municipal governments forever and ever until the end of time, things are working as intended Truly, the Brownback economy is a creator of jobs.
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LLSix posted:Truly, the Brownback economy is a creator of jobs. Since public sector jobs are actually negative jobs, this is a good thing.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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LLSix posted:Truly, the Brownback economy is a creator of jobs.
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blowfish posted:Since public sector jobs are actually negative jobs, this is a good thing. Well clearly the private sector will step in and provide profitable transportation to replace the buses and trains that the local government had been wasting money on. Right? Right?
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Surely a venture capitalist will finance an app that will solve this problem!
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Wichita already has the worst public transportation system (and by extension lowest ridership rates) of any top 50 metro area
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rscott posted:Wichita already has the worst public transportation system (and by extension lowest ridership rates) of any top 50 metro area That's probably because Wichita is the #85 metro area in the country, nearly 500,000 people behind #50 (Buffalo, NY) anonumos posted:Well clearly the private sector will step in and provide profitable transportation to replace the buses and trains that the local government had been wasting money on. Right? Right? Last time there were trains for public transit in Wichita was like 1945. fishmech fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Aug 16, 2016 |
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https://twitter.com/cityofmhk/status/765170966632640513 https://twitter.com/cityofmhk/status/765224066739417089 https://twitter.com/cityofmhk/status/765578886847401984 lmao i'm moving
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fishmech posted:That's probably because Wichita is the #85 metro area in the country, nearly 500,000 people behind #50 (Buffalo, NY) I conflated city with metro area whoops me. The statistic was a rate stat though not a counting one, I think around a half percent per year or something terrible like that.
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Kundus posted:https://twitter.com/cityofmhk/status/765170966632640513 That's pretty bold of them to call themselves Manhattan when they're just a rural shithole with a few strip malls.
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effectual posted:That's pretty bold of them to call themselves Manhattan when they're just a rural shithole with a few strip malls. Best part is that if you live in Kansas and talk about how you're going to Manhattan everyone assumes you're talking about the rural shithole and not the island. Worst part about it is that after living here for about 5 years I'm starting to think like that too 
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They must be the only city in the U.S. to have the same name as another, larger city.Hot Dog Day #82 posted:Best part is that if you live in Kansas and talk about how you're going to Manhattan everyone assumes you're talking about the rural shithole and not the island. Imagine that, they are talking about the city an hour away from them and not the city halfway across the United States... Stryguy fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Stryguy posted:They must be the only city in the U.S. to have the same name as another, larger city. There are, sadly, over a dozen "Paris"s in the US, and off of the top of my head I know that there is a London, Ontario and a London, Ohio. I'm sure that there are more, but this is just off of the top of my head. I personally think that people should be a little more clever with place names myself.
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JustJeff88 posted:There are, sadly, over a dozen "Paris"s in the US, and off of the top of my head I know that there is a London, Ontario and a London, Ohio. I'm sure that there are more, but this is just off of the top of my head. I personally think that people should be a little more clever with place names myself. Also Miami, Ohio
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JustJeff88 posted:There are, sadly, over a dozen "Paris"s in the US, and off of the top of my head I know that there is a London, Ontario and a London, Ohio. I'm sure that there are more, but this is just off of the top of my head. I personally think that people should be a little more clever with place names myself. New Hampshire has a Derry and Londonderry, separate towns, right next to each other. In Northern Ireland Derry and Londonderry are the same drat town. Basically city-namers are uncreative assholes.
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fordham posted:New Hampshire has a Derry and Londonderry, separate towns, right next to each other. My old university was in Missouri. When the town the university is in was founded they narrowed the potential names down to two. The first option was Hardscrabble. Now, I realize there are a few towns in the US named Hardscrabble, but I like that name. I mean, this would have been q mining town in the middle of nowhere. It would be a hard scrabble place. The other option was to name the town after a city back East some of the founders had a special connection to, Raleigh. The trouble was the founders thought them East Coasters were pretentious for making the name so hard to spell do they simplified it. And that's how the city of Rolla was named. Point is the people who name cities loving suck.
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alpha_destroy posted:My old university was in Missouri. When the town the university is in was founded they narrowed the potential names down to two. The first option was Hardscrabble. Now, I realize there are a few towns in the US named Hardscrabble, but I like that name. I mean, this would have been q mining town in the middle of nowhere. It would be a hard scrabble place. The other option was to name the town after a city back East some of the founders had a special connection to, Raleigh. The trouble was the founders thought them East Coasters were pretentious for making the name so hard to spell do they simplified it. And that's how the city of Rolla was named. I'm always amused by towns with French names, most of which are out east (in both Canada and the US) that Americans (and many non-francophone Canadians) don't even bother to try and pronounce correctly. Dubois (doo-boyz) Pennsylvania was an infuriating example, while way out west is Boise Idaho which was originally bwa-zay, meaning "wooded" in French because it's the only town in Idaho with any loving trees.
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JustJeff88 posted:There are, sadly, over a dozen "Paris"s in the US, and off of the top of my head I know that there is a London, Ontario and a London, Ohio. I'm sure that there are more, but this is just off of the top of my head. I personally think that people should be a little more clever with place names myself. I was being sarcastic -- there are like 6 Manhattans in the U.S alone. My point was that insulting Manhattan for it's name (and comparing it to a much larger city) is silly. It's actually a nice little city that contributes a lot to this dismal state with its various institutions. Come on guys, pot shotting Kansas is easy because 70% of the state has the IQ of a banana, but there are a few bright spots if you look really, really hard. There are much more relevant things to insult than names of cities.
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Koirhor posted:Also Miami, Ohio This won't be a problem in about ten more years
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Stryguy posted:I was being sarcastic -- there are like 6 Manhattans in the U.S alone. My point was that insulting Manhattan for it's name (and comparing it to a much larger city) is silly. It's actually a nice little city that contributes a lot to this dismal state with its various institutions. I figured that you probably were, I was just making conversation to temporarily distract from the misery of falling further and further into a nightmarish capitalist dystopia. We're all doing it, but KS is doing it faster than most. I've lived in numerous "college towns", many of which are the only bright spot in a sea of poo poo, and they tend to be quite nice if overpriced. I am not the person to ask about what places make for good living because I utterly loathe large cities for more reasons than I would ever care to type. Stryguy posted:Come on guys, pot shotting Kansas is easy because 70% of the state has the IQ of a banana, but there are a few bright spots if you look really, really hard. There are much more relevant things to insult than names of cities. Perhaps, but we do NOT insult bananas on this forum. Mods, schnell!
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Koirhor posted:Also Miami, Ohio That's actually a coincidence. There were two different and unrelated Native American nations located in Ohio and Florida that both called themselves names that phonetically sound like "Miami."
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