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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Or actually working together. Where was Scarlet Hair this whole time? I don't think they were ever really working together. Brahne just hired them at the same time, but you can tell from the beginning that Scarlet Hair is way more interested in Zidane than Garnet's jewel
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ApplesandOranges posted:Morrison's okay, but he doesn't really stand out that much in battle. Problem is that in a team of fairly unique characters he just kind of comes off as... bland, and since you've had two discs to already get used to everyone else in battle it's not that compelling to use him. I like him precisely for mixing things up when the good ol Steiner-Dagger-Vivi combo starts to feel a little stale. I don't feel masochistic enough to try a level 1 run, but Team Weird Random Side Characters is a happy medium. Is it too early to vote for Freya, Quina, and Morrison to take on the final boss? 
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Aug 16, 2016 03:05
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 Rather than skyrocketing his evasion, when Scarlet Hair hops around in FFRK, he gets treated as an "out of reach" enemy, immune to all non-ranged physicals. (Stuff like Bows and Thrown weapons can hit him. Or Magic, of course.) He also counters when he is in range of physicals 100% of the time. It's a really annoying fight that doesn't translate super well to the format. Here, it's pretty uneventful. I kinda like it anyway for the unique setting.
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Aug 16, 2016 03:47
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Huh. Is this the first actual one-on-one fight in the game? Other than, like, Zidane and Baku going at it?
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Aug 16, 2016 04:09
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There was Black Waltz 1, which actually had Zidane outnumbered.
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Glazius posted:Huh. Is this the first actual one-on-one fight in the game? technically, there's the Festival of the Hunt.
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Aug 16, 2016 04:13
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If you're going to include monster battles then there's that short section with just Zidane at the beginning of Evil Forest, too. But yeah, there aren't many solo fights in this game. Friends are important!
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Fister Roboto posted:When Scarlet Hair is jumping around, his evasion is 255 so he's impossible to hit (evasion is checked against a random number 1-100). Though interestingly, his defense also drops to 0, so if you could hit him you'd do a lot of damage. Special abilities aren't checked for evasion, but the only special abilities Zidane has at this point are his Dyne skills. It doesn't really matter since it's an easy fight anyway. The only way I could see Zidane taking advantage of this is with the Accuracy+ ability, which makes the user's physical attacks always hit (even through Vanish!). Problem is Zidane has no way of learning that ability for like an entire drat disc. Oh well.
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Mega64 posted:Looks like Lani's lumbered gently caress it I can't do a good alliteration for this one. Looks like Lani's lumbered in and become light-fingered with the local's loved items?
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Aug 16, 2016 08:12
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I feel like Morrison is a case of wasted potential. They could have done more with him as a character but he enters the story too late to get enough moments to shine. They should have found ways to intertwine him more with what's been going on so far even if his face turn stays as late as it is
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Aug 16, 2016 08:52
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Morrison, Freya and Quina are kind of just there at this point. They have their moments to shine but they arent strongly tied to the plot as Eiko, zidane, Steiner, Garnet or Vivi are. Quina is pretty much just following along to eat crap and yell at people for being poo poo at cooking, Freya is there for revenge I guess and Morrison is there for his silly reason that hasnt been stated yet.
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Rarity posted:I feel like Morrison is a case of wasted potential. They could have done more with him as a character but he enters the story too late to get enough moments to shine. They should have found ways to intertwine him more with what's been going on so far even if his face turn stays as late as it is I wonder if that's actually a reference? There were plenty of characters who appeared way too late in old Final Fantasy games and never had much in the way of character development - Gau, Mog, Vincent, Irvine etc.
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Mega64 posted:
A fun little detail here is that Zidane turns to look at Dagger when he says that last line. He has first-hand experience.
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She was too rambunctious, so I put her to sleep with a sleeping weed.
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I like Morrison quite a bit despite himself, though it certainly helps he's a solid party member should you choose to incorporate him into your setup. His biggest weakness is something I'll comment on later, though I feel like his strengths betray him as a character whose biggest flaw is being "Underutilized" rather than "Unnecessary."
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Aug 16, 2016 10:07
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I liked his theme music. It's not as good as Freya's but Freya has the best theme of any of the party members. He's the dark loner of this game, like Shadow from VI, Vincent from VII and...uh....I guess Squall is that in VIII? Yuck. Anyway, he's rather less involved in the plot than those others (as far as I know - I never beat VI so dunno if Shadow is really important or not) but he has his moments. I used him for when I played Final Fantasy IX Unleashed and I gained a new appreciation for both his character and his abilities.
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Aug 16, 2016 11:56
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I was going to say that FFIX has a serious problem with party members becoming really unimportant to the plot, but looking back it's the same with most FF games.It's better than VIII, where there are 2 party members of any importance. Or XII which has 3. I never really liked Morrison because I couldn't look at him without seeing a giant rooster.
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Aug 16, 2016 12:59
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Why are we calling him Morrison? I think I'm missing the joke.
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Suspect Bucket posted:Why are we calling him Morrison? I think I'm missing the joke. Morrison is the name of the moogle, and potentially the final party member.
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Suspect Bucket posted:Why are we calling him Morrison? I think I'm missing the joke. Mega64 posted:They shall, but we'll take a break and catch up next time. More plot! Don't worry, there's some good stuff and a few actual answers coming up in the next one. Also maybe one last party member? Could it be Morrison? I won't say it's Morrison (but it's totally Morrison). I hope I'm not falsely getting people's hopes up right now, because if by some weird mistake on my end it's not Morrison, I'm gonna feel really bad leading you guys on. But I'm 255/256% sure it's Morrison.
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Oh, I never bothered to unlock him. I was never much for the vampire thing. He gets his own spin-off story like a decade later though, right?
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Suspect Bucket posted:Oh, I never bothered to unlock him. I was never much for the vampire thing. He gets his own spin-off story like a decade later though, right? Are you thinking of Vincent Valentine from FF7? Because this whole joke has begun to spiral out of control...
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They're the same character.
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I'm still holding onto the hope that the final party member is Doctor Tot
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Doctor Tot ist tod
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Tot ist tot? This is what we call a totology
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Plavski posted:Morrison is the name of the moogle, and potentially the final party member. Are you sure? I have here an extensive excel chart of coffee based special abilities and their Trance Latte alternatives.
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Mega64 posted:They're the same character. It really puts the tragic over-wrought back story into perspective.
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EponymousMrYar posted:Are you sure? I have here an extensive excel chart of coffee based special abilities and their Trance Latte alternatives. Decaf: Like Condemn, but inflicts sleep in 10 seconds rather than Death. Expresso (not a typo, just a tribute to Woolseyisms): hastega, but runs out twice as fast as haste. Trance: Kopi Luwak: Fed to enemies, then tell them about how the beans are harvested, inflicts confuse, blind, poison, trouble.
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I'm glad Morrison's the final party member and has all of these funny abilities. This conversation would be saddening otherwise.
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   As like the last time we were here, there's so much plot going on that I had to split it to two updates.   The moogles are pretty appreciative that we saved the day as usual.   But I guess she still can't find the right words. Mog feels pretty bad for being completely useless earlier. FADE TO SILENCE    My grandfather told me not to leave the village until my sixteenth birthday... But I want to go with you guys! I really do! Eiko's understandably torn between honoring her late grandfather's wish and following her heart and leaving Madain Sari. Despite her grandfather's good intentions, a dead city with nothing but moogles is no place for a lonely six-year-old. She needs human friends and companionship, and Zidane, Dagger, and Vivi at least are going to try their best to protect her and help her when she needs it. Yes, I think she should leave and follow her heart.   'Eiko, come with us. Forget what your grandpa said.' ...... ......  ......   You said I shouldn't ever lie to myself. Hmmm...    The stone is now a rare item in our inventory. We'll look at it later.   I think Mog wants to talk to you.You can kinda see Mog peeking in to the northeast of Dagger in this and the previous screenshots. Just noticed this while double-checking the update before posting.  ...... Kuuupoh! What? You think I'm mad at you? What would you do if you went off and got into trouble!? Oh well. Thank goodness we're both alright. Well, yeah. We're best friends, after all! This is our friendship ribbon! Mog gave it to me! Mog, do you have the ribbon I gave you? Kupo! It's too big for her now, but once we're both sophisticated ladies, we'll wear them together! Kupo! Zidane? This is the biggest plot twist in Final Fantasy IX.  We're back in control of Zidane, again.   The kids are alright.  Nothing ominous there, much like how non-ominous half these rare items are.  Maybe that's why Eiko has always been the big sister. Dagger...?FADE TO THAT ONE SONG YOU SHOULD ALL KNOW WELL BY NOW  -----  FADE TO OCEAN SOUNDS   There's already so much history between these two. I'm surprised you found this place.  And they've definitely got some chemistry going on. Even a six-year-old can tell.  If I am, I must've gotten it from you. Naw... It's all because you made the effort to learn. No, it's because you stuck with me. Everything I tried to do on my own was a total failure. I couldn't stop my mother... You helped me so much... Not just you, either.  I haven't forgotten... I want to believe everyone is alright, but sometimes I just can't. I hope I can live up to the hopes of everyone who has helped me. But I do! Nobody wants you to feel that way. They didn't do it all for you, either. Each was following his own path. His own...path?Vivi wants to know more about what he is, and how he can stop others from exploiting his kin. Steiner and Beatrix are both loyal to Princess Garnet, but are above all else loyal to the nation of Alexandria itself. Freya wants to avenge the loss of her nation and redeem herself for not being able to protect it. Even Quina has a desire to explore the world and experience new tastes and adventures to better themselves as a gourmet. And as for Zidane...  Huh?  Ipsen? Who's that? Ipsen is a character from a play, but he's a real-life adventurer. I think the play is based on his adventures.  One day, Ipsen got a letter. The letter was so wet from rain that most of the writing was illegible. He didn't know why he had to go back, but he got some time off, gathered his things, and set out on his journey home. And then, after much time on the road... He had to ask Colin something.     -----   I... Dagger? Huh!?FADE TO THAT SAME SONG DAGGER ALWAYS SINGS EXCEPT NOT BY DAGGER  How come... Who's singing it!?  I've seen this somewhere before... What? Where?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNqmMHoIFkk    Dagger seems preoccupied with a rather neat visual effect from nature itself.  Probably because it's giving her flashbacks to that same city on fire.  With a...giant hovering eye? What the hell, game.   Do you remember that intro FMV at the very start of the game? That weird dream Dagger has before she wakes up a Princess? It's back again.  But now we've got a slight bit more context.  Dagger!? Wake up!She's...understandably not handling this very well. ----- SILENCE  He's sleeping. I don't wanna wake him up. I have no memory of my early childhood. I never really thought about it. Besides, nobody ever told me. Six!? So where were you till then? Until then... Until I turned six...   It makes perfect sense. Dagger and Eiko are the only two people we've met that could naturally summon eidolons. Eiko comes from a ruined city of summoners, but Dagger's talents have made no sense...until now.  But I do remember one thing...  There's a cove behind Eiko's house, right? The boat I was on was just like the one there. It all came back to me when I heard that song on the boat. That song is from Madain Sari... So that's why nobody else knows it.Dagger's flashbacks are explained as being the result of a hurricane (though that doesn't explain the fire or the giant eye in the sky, but those details are unimportant) with her true mother. It also explains why she happens to know this song that nobody else knows...except for Eiko. It's also kinda telling that Dagger and now Eiko both left Madain Sari at the age of six, ten years before Eiko was told to leave Madain Sari and ten years before Dagger was old enough to have her eidolons extracted from her.  How come you got to be a princess? How come you don't have a summoner's horn? I don't know. But maybe Doctor Tot can tell me. About the lady who protected me from the storm as the boat lurched about in the waves... (The woman she thought was her mother became someone else, and her true mother was already dead...) There's still a lot of questions without answers, as Eiko pretty much lays out. But we're finally getting somewhere with some of these niggling mysteries.  You, too? You pray here, too, Eiko?   After ten years, Dagger has finally returned to her birthplace. She finally has a better idea of who she really is.  Ahaha. What? And Eiko has finally found someone just like her. Someone in this world who she can actually relate to, who's experienced the world in a similar way she has. She's no longer the last of her tribe.   I'll be breaking my promise to my grandpa, but I wanna go! Besides, grandpa always told me to be honest with myself! But I want to finish what I came here for. So do I! Zidane, as always, wants what's best for everybody. Dagger and Eiko both have found some peace of mind.    It's kinda easy to forget this whole part with all the other big moments in this game (I know I certainly did before replaying this part), but this is just one of many, many reasons why I love this game so much. -----  (By the time we defeat Kuja and return to Alexandria...)Song of Memories still plays throughout this part.  Oh, you're coming with us!? Hey! Why the long face!? Mog's coming, too!    Now, don't forget that you'll always have a home in Madain Sari. Don't let our memory become a burden. You must always be light-hearted and free.  ...aw crap I was wrong, Morrison isn't the final party member after all. Sorry, guys.  Oh it's you again.     Your actions yesterday were incomprehensible to me. Well, that's a tough question... Are you really that unhappy that I let you live? I'd rather die as a warrior than live as a beggar.  What are you after? Follow me and maybe you'll understand. Besides, you're pretty good in a fight.  Huh? You say somethin'? What's your name? Call me what you will.  Yep, this weird guy we fought who has a regular-sized battle model and is weirdly on the cover art of the U.S. version is our actual eighth and final party member. He's...kinda weirdly placed late in this game. I know, that's weird to say since Eiko just joined a few updates ago, but she has a lot of time to develop her character and an entire dungeon to grow in. We're not really gonna have much opportunity to do so with this guy since Disc 2 is almost over. Anyway, his default name is Amarant and the PS1 can only fit seven letters instead of eight so I can't rename him Morrison.  Fine. We'll call you Amarant.  So for the first time in the game, we can choose our party! Amarant's a must so he has time to learn some drat abilities, and Eiko still has a few to learn as well. Dagger and Vivi have both learned everything they can learn for now, so common sense says to leave Dagger since Vivi brings some diversity.  But the Iifa Tree also has a lot of undead for two white mages to rip apart, and honestly I felt Vivi deserves a break because he's been battling as long as Zidane has while being younger and having a lot more emotional trauma to work through. Rest easy, Vivi, you deserve it.  Just follow me! Next time, we'll finally get to confronting Kuja and in one or two updates finally finish Disc 2! Mega64 fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Aug 18, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 01:39
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Should have named him Lips.
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The Flaming Morris
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Oh boy we get to go meet Kuja with barely half of what's supposed to be our final party and on disc 2 of 4! I'm sure things will go well.
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Morrison only joins if you tell Eiko "No" when she asks if she should come with you. It's easy to miss.
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Oh my gosh I never noticed Mog peeking in through that gap before  This whole section is great, too bad Quina can't be here for this heartwarming character development."Some call me the Flaming Amarant." "Fine, we'll call you Morison" quote:a dead city with nothing of moogles quote:The letter was so set from rain
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Fixed, thanks!
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The story about Ipsen and Colin is probably my favorite moment from the game. The whole scene is really well done.
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ReturnOfFable posted:The story about Ipsen and Colin is probably my favorite moment from the game. The whole scene is really well done. Really like that scene too. Really, this whole section of the game is just full of the best feels. Amarant's late placement KINDA makes him a bit of a disappointment in battle. He's a bit tricky to use and doesn't have as many broken tricks as other characters, but he's still a solid combatant with good stats all around, much like Zidane (though without the OP Trance ability, sadly). I rather like him myself. Plus those claws of his are friggin' huge and imposing and thus nice to have on your side. I usually save the three friendly monsters in the area (ladybug, yeti, and nymph) until now so Amarant (and Eiko if she's still lagging behind) can catch up a bit.
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