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Here's a nice interview about the state of the world/europe: http://www.e-ir.info/2016/08/13/interview-mark-blyth/
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So the EU EFFECT research about firearms and forensics was published, you can read it here: http://www.coventry.ac.uk/Global/08%20New%20Research%20Section/FINAL%20EFFECT%20PROJECT%20REPORT.pdf I dunno how good it is to illustrate trends or try to predict anything if the datarange you use is only one year. And apparently they state that 6700 people die of gunshot wounds each year and 75% are self-inflicted. So the rest 1675 cases are either criminal incidents or accidents, they dont really make it clear. But to get to this number, they have listed 770 cases from Turkey(not EU), 22 from Macedonia(not EU), 13 from Montenegro(not EU) and 75 from Serbia(not EU). So almost half of the cases are not even from EU. What is the purpose of trying to affect EU gun policy with research that includes case that are decidedly not EU?
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Aug 17, 2016 12:59
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I'm pretty sure you're the only person in here who gives a poo poo about your Tough Guy Toys.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:03
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Nope there's at least two of us
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Aug 17, 2016 13:04
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Youd think that people would be interested that EU pays for research data that is biased to support policy making whether its gun policy on refugee policy.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:05
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EU sucks poo poo, should be destroyed, news at 11.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:07
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Is there some magical difference that makes gun wounds follow different rules of physics and physiology in the EU compared to out of the EU? I'm trying to get why statistics from countries outside the EU are necessarily invalid.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:11
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Cat Mattress posted:Is there some magical difference that makes gun wounds follow different rules of physics and physiology in the EU compared to out of the EU? I'm trying to get why statistics from countries outside the EU are necessarily invalid. I would think crime statistics outside EU are not relevant when making policy inside EU.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:15
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punakone posted:I would think crime statistics outside EU are not relevant when making policy inside EU. I must have missed that EU regulation that magically turns bullets into singing flowers once they enter into our borders.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:19
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Tesseraction posted:I must have missed that EU regulation that magically turns bullets into singing flowers once they enter into our borders. So you are saying murder rate inside France is somehow related to that inside say Turkey? Could you elaborate the connection here for me?
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Aug 17, 2016 13:19
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punakone posted:So you are saying murder rate inside France is somehow related to that inside say Turkey? Related? No. You do comparisons between states using different policies and analyse the similarities and differences according to relevant criteria. You remember in science how you have a control group?
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Aug 17, 2016 13:22
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I'm not sure gunchat is better than burkinichat. Let's talk about the Common Agricultural Policy or something.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:23
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:I'm not sure gunchat is better than burkinichat. Let's talk about the Common Agricultural Policy or something. It's badly implemented and France should stop trying to stymie reform. How it works so well for them but manages to just benefit the landed gentry in Britain I don't kn-- oh yeah Britain's a kleptocracy never mind I figured it out.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:25
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Tesseraction posted:Related? No. You do comparisons between states using different policies and analyse the similarities and differences according to relevant criteria. Of course, but why then would you lump said control group (outside EU countries) with the group (EU) you are studying and who will be affected by it?
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Aug 17, 2016 13:26
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Tesseraction posted:Related? No. You do comparisons between states using different policies and analyse the similarities and differences according to relevant criteria. It is incredibly hard to make the comparisons because there are so many different things you need to adjust for before you can be sure your comparison is actually apples to apples. Almost everyone fucks it up, very badly. It's not like a control/test experiment at all, that should be very clear if you've done any work in this field.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:27
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Greece is trying, again, to get war reperations. http://www.ekathimerini.com/211232/article/ekathimerini/news/tsipras-revives-greek-bid-to-seek-wartime-reparations-from-berlin It looks like Tsipras is copying the Trump strategy of torching diplomatic reputations for internal gains again.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:28
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punakone posted:Of course, but why then would you lump said control group (outside EU countries) with the group (EU) you are studying and who will be affected by it? You wouldn't of course, that comment didn't make any sense at all. Experiment design has little in common with the sorts of studies that try and compare country to country statistics.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:29
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punakone posted:So the EU EFFECT research about firearms and forensics was published, you can read it here: http://www.coventry.ac.uk/Global/08%20New%20Research%20Section/FINAL%20EFFECT%20PROJECT%20REPORT.pdf The report focuses not only on the EU but also neighbouring and candidate countries, including for reasons involving cross-border trade in guns. It's explained in the beginning of the report.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:31
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blowfish posted:I'm not sure gunchat is better than burkinichat. Let's talk about the Common Agricultural Policy or something. It's great, more money to farmers. gently caress capitalists (through reforms that help small farmers).
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Aug 17, 2016 13:33
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Pesmerga posted:The report focuses not only on the EU but also neighbouring and candidate countries, including for reasons involving cross-border trade in guns. It's explained in the beginning of the report. Indeed, missed that while skimming, sorry. No mentions of cross-border trade though, just intelligence gathering. Would be interesting to see what kind of traffic there is from non-EU countries to EU countries regarding legal vs illegal firearms and what kind of systems are in place for police intelligence gathering regarding investigations with ballistic forensics. And speaking of Turkey, Germany has outlined them as supporting terrorists http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/tuerkei-619.html lol
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Aug 17, 2016 13:38
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«Bathers have to show x% of skin to use this beach» Finally someone is tackling the serious problems Europe is facing.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:42
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punakone posted:Of course, but why then would you lump said control group (outside EU countries) with the group (EU) you are studying and who will be affected by it? It doesn't do that. Read the loving report yourself. It certainly does mention those states in terms of gun deaths, because the report also investigates harmonising legislation between the EU and countries sharing borders with it. As was part of its scope (did you even look at what the name of the report is?). Also it's really telling here punakone posted:And apparently they state that 6700 people die of gunshot wounds each year and 75% are self-inflicted. So the rest 1675 cases are either criminal incidents or accidents, they dont really make it clear Hmmm THE loving SOURCE posted:Previously, Duquet and van Alstein (2015a) estimated that approximately 6,700 persons die each ar as a result of gunshot wounds within EU member states. However, approximately 75% of these eaths are self-inflicted; suggesting that 1,675 people are killed by wounds inflicted by omeone else using a firearm each year in EU member states, and which would constitute a form f gun crime. Approximately fifteen percent of firearms related deaths in EU member states were homicide, with the remaining deaths by firearms being either accidental, or of undetermined cause. Truly, 
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Aug 17, 2016 13:42
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His Divine Shadow posted:It's great, more money to farmers. gently caress capitalists (through reforms that help small farmers). It's a corporate subsidy that eats up nearly half the EU budget.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:48
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What would you like to see happen then?
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Aug 17, 2016 13:53
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His Divine Shadow posted:What would you like to see happen then? Problem is, at least here in the UK, it goes via open arid land, not on the amount of food you produce (or promise to produce). This means that a dude can literally have a field dedicated to tea parties and games of bowls but benefit from the CAP for tens if not hundreds of thousands a year.
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Aug 17, 2016 13:55
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MeLKoR posted:It's a corporate subsidy that eats up nearly half the EU budget. punakone posted:So the EU EFFECT research about firearms and forensics was published, you can read it here: http://www.coventry.ac.uk/Global/08%20New%20Research%20Section/FINAL%20EFFECT%20PROJECT%20REPORT.pdf quote:Following the November Paris attacks, the EC proposed amendments to the 1991 Firearms Directive, including measures such as: a five year ceiling on firearms certificate life; medical tests for applicants for gun licenses; bringing more forms of firearms within the scope of the directive (such as collectors’ items and acoustic weapons); regulating blank-firing and replica weapons; tighter controls on deactivation including a ban on the ownership of deactivated category A firearms; tighter controls on dealers; and stricter rules around deactivation standards inter alia.
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Aug 17, 2016 14:09
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His Divine Shadow posted:What would you like to see happen then? Less farmed land area in Europe so all that lip service to sustainability actually amounts to something. Also small farmers tend to be regressive nativists who vote for Brexits and don't like foreigners except as tourists and stuff. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 14:11 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 14:09
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blowfish posted:Also small farmers tend to be regressive nativists who vote for Brexits and don't like foreigners except as tourists and stuff. edit - Also, I hope it's okay to repost two questions I had which got lost in the burkini chat: icantfindaname posted:But yes, France would probably have been better off with less rigid and intolerant ideologies and more decentralization Friendly Humour posted:Go find out what happens to people accused of being Daesh on the refugee trail and you'll get some measure of what the refugees in general think of these fuckwits.
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Aug 17, 2016 14:37
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Guavanaut posted:What did any of these have to do with the November Paris attacks? Nothing directly, the European Commission happened to be working on an update to the guns directive already, and the work was nearly done by the time of the attacks, so they were published a few weeks after. They did point to the attacks as a reason to pass the new directive, but the preparation time for new proposals for legislation by the European Commission is normally measured in years, not weeks. The attacks were not the reason for the new rules. However: Guavanaut posted:Did the terrorists use converted blank-firing and replica weapons, or are they just doing "something must be done, this is something", as has often been the case after such tragedies? Terrorists have used reactivated decommissioned weapons produced in Slovakia in some attacks; one of the things the directive does is set more stringent standards for decommissioning weapons: quote:European security officials said decommissioned guns purchased legally from the AFG store, owned by AFG Security Corp., have been transferred to safe houses in Western Europe, primarily Belgium, a known weapons-trading hub. Jihadists used weapons sold by AFG and reactivated in Belgium in a three-day spate of terror attacks in Paris in January, the officials said, as well as in an attack on a French high-speed train in August, foiled when the culprit was tackled by passengers after his gun misfired.
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Aug 17, 2016 14:44
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Tightening laws regarding deactivated weapons is good imo even through it hosed over lots of people who now face the choice of destroying their already deactivated guns or paying to deactivate them again.
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Aug 17, 2016 15:05
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Pizdec posted:Isn't farming in the UK concentrated in Scotland, which voted Remain? There's also lots of rural areas in the rest of the UK, especially in
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Pluskut Tukker posted:Terrorists have used reactivated decommissioned weapons produced in Slovakia in some attacks; one of the things the directive does is set more stringent standards for decommissioning weapons:
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Guavanaut posted:The only terror attack you could commit by converting blank-firing and replica weapons is against your own fingers, I've never heard of an LRAD being used in an attack that isn't by a government sanctioned force, and collectors' items are usually overpriced and worthless for a spree attack. You're probably right, but they weren't included in the directive as a result of the Paris attacks, because the Commission simply doesn't work that fast (the proposal was published two weeks after the attacks, and already had had a long public comment period). The linked article may have said that: "Following the November Paris attacks, the EC proposed amendments to the 1991 Firearms Directive,", but it's a classic post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.
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Aug 17, 2016 15:32
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Tesseraction posted:It doesn't do that. Read the loving report yourself. What's a gun related death with undetermined cause?
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Aug 17, 2016 15:41
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Liberal_L33t posted:Literally without exception, everywhere in the world that this kind of religious modesty becomes the norm, it has become mandatory. Why are Majorian and drilldo squirt et al. so adamant in telling Europeans they aren't allowed to push back or even vocally criticize this practice metastasizing into Europe? Oh yes, Drilldo squirt, notable BYOB poster is fully committed to a conservative Islamic fascist future. Every time I read his posts the first thing that comes to mind is Hitler. The second is Jihad. And no one wants Jihad Hitler. You loving idiot. I mean seriously, have you ever actually read his posts? "Conservative" isn't my first take.
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waitwhatno posted:What's a gun related death with undetermined cause? I suppose that would be cases where they haven't determined yet whether it was accidental or intentional. But you'd think that would be much lower when you're collecting data for a whole year instead of something like a report on gun deaths that occurred in the past 7 days.
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Aug 17, 2016 15:45
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blowfish posted:Less farmed land area in Europe so all that lip service to sustainability actually amounts to something. More CAP it is then.
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Aug 17, 2016 15:53
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Wrong thread
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waitwhatno posted:What's a gun related death with undetermined cause? fishmech posted:I suppose that would be cases where they haven't determined yet whether it was accidental or intentional. But you'd think that would be much lower when you're collecting data for a whole year instead of something like a report on gun deaths that occurred in the past 7 days. Yeah I'm imagining "is it suicide or homicide?" style uncertainty.
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Pizdec posted:I'm not who you were responding to, but I tried and I couldn't. Do you have a source for that? Unfortunately this is purely personal anecdote told to me by two Syrians I met a half a year ago. They described to me an incident in Macedonia where some Iraqi teen was heard by someone talking on the phone about "something suspicious", after which a mob gathered, took his phone, decided that he was Daesh and proceeded to beat him to death with fists and stones. I got the feeling they were describing something that actually happened, but for understandable reasons it would have been a bit impossible to get them on record with that. They were incredulous about my suggestion to talk to the police or the press, so that was that. Sorry! I'm a bit surprised there seems to be nothing on the net about this or other these kinds of violent incidents the guys told me were quite common on the trail. Or maybe they were just fooling me for the sake of it, who knows.
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