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Generally I've been hard pressed to find a Muslim who supports Daesh whether refugee or long-term economic migrant. Honestly given how we've been assured all Muslims are secretly programmed to ackbar us at the slightest opportunity none of my prodding or poking or screaming "WE SHALL STRIKE THE INFIDELS MASHALLAH" at them as they walk home with their shopping has persuaded any of them to reveal their secret desire for martyrisation.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Here's a nice interview about the state of the world/europe: It's like "bad/heterodox/crank economics" bingo: quote:the European Central Bank (ECB) is doing awful things that are inherently political, and turning off liquidity for domestic banking systems in violation of their own treaties etc. quote:I needed to rethink what Constructivism meant for IPE and political economy. quote:Then there was my whole engagement with Post-Structuralism, which Americans seem absolutely terrified by, almost as if opening a cover of Foucault is equivalent to reading Mein Kampf or something. quote:wrote some stuff with Nassim Taleb, namely The Black Swan of Cairo, which was really fruitful quote:Nassim Taleb quote:Cornel Ban’s book that just came out, Ruling Ideas: How Global Neolibralism Goes Local, is a wonderful example of ideas and comparative political economy put together. quote:Global Neolibralism quote:I am publishing a piece that’s forthcoming in the European Journal of Economics and Economic Policies quote:When this happens, capital gets organized, and that’s essentially the simplest explanation of the politics of the 1970s and 1980s. quote:and then I taught Piketty and then I read him again GaussianCopula posted:Greece is trying, again, to get war reperations.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 16:43 |
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Friendly Humour posted:Unfortunately this is purely personal anecdote told to me by two Syrians I met a half a year ago. They described to me an incident in Macedonia where some Iraqi teen was heard by someone talking on the phone about "something suspicious", after which a mob gathered, took his phone, decided that he was Daesh and proceeded to beat him to death with fists and stones. I got the feeling they were describing something that actually happened, but for understandable reasons it would have been a bit impossible to get them on record with that. They were incredulous about my suggestion to talk to the police or the press, so that was that. Sorry! Tesseraction posted:Generally I've been hard pressed to find a Muslim who supports Daesh whether refugee or long-term economic migrant.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 16:44 |
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Tesseraction posted:Generally I've been hard pressed to find a Muslim who supports Daesh whether refugee or long-term economic migrant. Incidents in the news from a year or so ago suggest that if, say, you damaged a Koran in front of them, or admitted you weren't a muslim while still aboard a refugee boat in international waters, there is a small but non-zero chance a group of them would spontaneously murder you. (sources: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33999801 http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/16/europe/italy-migrants-christians-thrown-overboard/ ) Sympathy for the plight of the refugees and/or migrants shouldn't mean that we can't recognize that some of them really are dangerously deranged religious zealots. Denying it's a problem at all is obviously false and just plays into the narrative of the far-right political parties. I think it's crucially important that the left in Europe stop trying to enforce a narrative that non-muslims have no legitimate reasons at all to be worried about the latest waves of migrants and immigrants.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 16:58 |
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Geriatric Pirate posted:It's like "bad/heterodox/crank economics" bingo: You're a neoliberal shithead, we get it alright? You don't like what Mark Blyth is saying, but I've yet to see you offer anything but cranky snipes.
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Liberal_L33t posted:This is very nearly a carbon copy of William F Buckley's notorious, and outrageously, provably wrong, argument that segregation would wither away on its own without Federal intervention. You do realize that in this analogy you're making, you're actually the one supporting segregation, right? We're talking about actual state-sanctioned, legalized discrimination. That's what these clothing bans represent. That's something that you vocally support. Majorian fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Liberal_L33t posted:Incidents in the news from a year or so ago suggest that if, say, you damaged a Koran in front of them, or admitted you weren't a muslim while still aboard a refugee boat in international waters, there is a small but non-zero chance a group of them would spontaneously murder you. If you're on a leaky boat that's one fistfight away from sinking, insulting and aggravating the people around you leads to a non-zero chance of being thrown overboard regardless of the ethnicity of the boat inhabitants. Good try tho. You loving racist.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:01 |
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MeLKoR posted:«Bathers have to show x% of skin to use this beach» Here's an article about the recent events in Sisco. Have fun. http://www.francetvinfo.fr/societe/...on_1593583.html
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:17 |
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Looks like squeaky bum time for Renzi: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/765945537619193857 https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/765944984747044868 If he loses his referendum, his government probably falls and things start getting interesting in southern Europe again.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:21 |
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Cat Mattress posted:Here's an article about the recent events in Sisco. Have fun. Got something in English? While I loathe the entire subject as a topic, I'm kinda curious what made the thread produce 10 pages of extremely angry screaming.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:25 |
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Friendly Humour posted:If you're on a leaky boat that's one fistfight away from sinking, insulting and aggravating the people around you leads to a non-zero chance of being thrown overboard regardless of the ethnicity of the boat inhabitants. Good try tho. You loving racist. Ethnicity? They were thrown overboard because they were christians?
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Friendly Humour posted:Got something in English? While I loathe the entire subject as a topic, I'm kinda curious what made the thread produce 10 pages of extremely angry screaming. It's in French, not in Taushiro. Google Translate ought to be something approaching to nearly readable. Anyway, the gist is that some tourists took selfies on the beach, the local Maghrebin population attacked them for the offense, one guy defending his son against the Arabs was shot with a harpoon gun, then the Corsican population went all mob justice in retaliation and the gendarmerie barely managed to prevent people from killing each other. Afterwards, the mayor banned burkinis.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:55 |
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Another poll showing Renzi losing: https://twitter.com/EuropeElects/status/765945719140352001 It's all looking a bit wobbly.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 17:56 |
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So the EU is going to fall. Where will europe be when it does? When countries like greece italy spain and the likes default and the northern countries have to slump the eu to survive collapse
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Cat Mattress posted:It's in French, not in Taushiro. Google Translate ought to be something approaching to nearly readable.
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LeoMarr posted:So the EU is going to fall. Where will europe be when it does? When countries like greece italy spain and the likes default and the northern countries have to slump the eu to survive collapse Maybe we could hold a fire sale of EU stuff to cover the cost of dissolution.
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Friendly Humour posted:If you're on a leaky boat that's one fistfight away from sinking, insulting and aggravating the people around you leads to a non-zero chance of being thrown overboard regardless of the ethnicity of the boat inhabitants. Good try tho. You loving racist. The victims were the same ethnicity as the murderers. Or very nearly so, at least. They were killed because of their religion, i.e. not Muslim. Nice try trying to make that about race even though it was purely a conflict over religion. Also, I like how we are seeing the Charlie hebdo principle in action here again; if Muslims engage in an act of murder against members of another faith, apparently it must be assumed that the victims did something to provoke the Muslims unless proven otherwise. Majorian posted:You do realize that in this analogy you're making, you're actually the one supporting segregation, right? We're talking about actual state-sanctioned, legalized discrimination. That's what these clothing bans represent. That's something that you vocally support. Becauae what women and non-heterosexuals endure in traditionalist islamic communities definitely couldn't be described as segregation or discrimination, right? Cat Mattress posted:It's in French, not in Taushiro. Google Translate ought to be something approaching to nearly readable. This is why beaches in particular are such a fraught issue, and why I find the burqini ban understandable even though the courts will probably have to strike it down on principle; many of these immigrants come from cultures that are so sick that they are psychologically not capable of dealing with the level of personal freedom on display at a european beach, and the danger of them violently lashing out in response to displays of freedom is not negligible. ( p.s. YF-23, we have had threads before to discuss issues regarding Islam and the culture clash in Europe. The moderators closed them all. So now it's only natural those kind of discussions are going to bubble up in your thread, sorry. I would gladly post a thread for it myself, but the mods would just close it immediately.) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Puistokemisti posted:Maybe we could hold a fire sale of EU stuff to cover the cost of dissolution. So its safe to say Brusseks would do a german tragedy on greek airports. But this time with refurbished soviet now EU buildinfs?
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Liberal_L33t posted:
Its funny when a Liberal gets upset at the culture they created. I thought there were no savages or civilized people
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LeoMarr posted:Its funny when a Liberal gets upset at the culture they created. I thought there were no savages or civilized people I have some bad news for you; regardless of the national origin of the individuals in question, violent antics committed by extreme social conservatives is going to cause collateral damage to the kind of politics you favor as well, since there isn't ultimately all that much difference between you and any other diehard traditionalist.
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Again, I remind people in this thread that the poster above me openly defended machine gunning innocent protesters, and actively defended military fascist regimes, mass murder and torture. so keep that in mind when he starts to talk about what 'sick' cultures from 'healthy' ones in his mind. He's not interested in democracy, he just wants to kill the browns no matter what.
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Liberal_L33t posted:I have some bad news for you; regardless of the national origin of the individuals in question, violent antics committed by extreme social conservatives is going to cause collateral damage to the kind of politics you favor as well, since there isn't ultimately all that much difference between you and any other diehard traditionalist. Except for the beheadings, sex slavery and baby rape right? All those minir things in the mind of liberal idealists fantasy of instant gratification immigratio working. what happened to the socialist paradise of womens rights and WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Liberal_L33t posted:The victims were the same ethnicity as the murderers. Or very nearly so, at least. They were killed because of their religion Thank goodness Europe has no history of people being murdered for their religion.
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Indonesia and UAE looking p. good. Or maybe Sweden is better at encouraging reporting. Who can tell.
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I kinda have to marvel at somebody being so loving incompetent that he uncritically posts a graph where the largest muslim country on earth seems to be the best while he's trying to claim that muslims are all barbarians. Like, how do you manage to function in society at large?
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Cat Mattress posted:It's in French, not in Taushiro. Google Translate ought to be something approaching to nearly readable. People will start killing sooner or later if poo poo like this keeps happening.
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Cerebral Bore posted:I kinda have to marvel at somebody being so loving incompetent that he uncritically posts a graph where the largest muslim country on earth seems to be the best while he's trying to claim that muslims are all barbarians. Like, how do you manage to function in society at large? Or those countries have 99.9999% of their rapes go unreported. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Tesseraction posted:Generally I've been hard pressed to find a Muslim who supports Daesh whether refugee or long-term economic migrant. I hear they have lots of supporters in Syria. LeoMarr posted:Or those countries have 99.9999% of their rapes go unreported. different_crime_filing_standards.jpg
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LeoMarr posted:Or those countries have 99.9999% of their rapes go unreported. It doesn't help your case when you admit that your own numbers are worthless for direct comparisons. It especially doesn't help when you then try to explain it with variations in reporting, because the logical followup question is whether the variations in reporting and sentencing and so on account for the seemingly high number in Sweden (which they do), which kind of kills your feeble attempt at an argument dead.
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Cerebral Bore posted:It doesn't help your case when you admit that your own numbers are worthless for direct comparisons. It especially doesn't help when you then try to explain it with variations in reporting, because the logical followup question is whether the variations in reporting and sentencing and so on account for the seemingly high number in Sweden (which they do), which kind of kills your feeble attempt at an argument dead.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 19:28 |
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what the gently caress is even going on here. what does the standards of crime reporting in a third world country have anything to do with the civil rights and freedoms of European citizens?!
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 19:30 |
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Its about ethics in crime reporting you see.
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# ? Aug 17, 2016 19:51 |
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LemonDrizzle posted:Looks like squeaky bum time for Renzi: What's the referendum for? Liberal_L33t posted:( p.s. YF-23, we have had threads before to discuss issues regarding Islam and the culture clash in Europe. The moderators closed them all. So now it's only natural those kind of discussions are going to bubble up in your thread, sorry. I would gladly post a thread for it myself, but the mods would just close it immediately.) If it's not acceptable in its own thread, then it's not acceptable here. Making a new thread and having it get shut down is preferable to whatever the gently caress was happening for 15 pages back there.
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YF-23 posted:What's the referendum for? quote:Matteo Renzi has staked his entire political career on what sounds like an unglamorous topic — a Yes vote in a referendum on constitutional reform.But the 41-year-old centre-left prime minister believes that it is only by changing the rules of Italy’s political game, known for its gridlocked legislature and unstable governments, that he can build on the country’s economic revival and step up his reform agenda.
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Shows me about making subtle jokes.
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And here I was thinking about adding that last sentence "am I being too obvious here"
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LemonDrizzle posted:Constitutional reform - he wants to reduce the power of the Italian senate to remove the kinds of legislative impasses that have made Italian politics such a shitshow over the last few decades: https://www.ft.com/content/908484f8-11dd-11e6-bb40-c30e3bfcf63b A lot of countries have a lower and upper house and aren't crippled. Why is Italy?
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Nitrousoxide posted:A lot of countries have a lower and upper house and aren't crippled. Why is Italy? As I recall it's because the Italian Parliament is perfectly bicameral, which makes it really hard to pass anything.
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LemonDrizzle posted:Renzi has said he'll resign if he can't secure a Yes vote. And that's a huge mistake. Because it means the referendum is entirely and exclusively about whether they want to keep Renzi in office. The actual referendum question, something about some reform or whatever? Who cares, nobody will look at that.
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Liberal_L33t posted:Becauae what women and non-heterosexuals endure in traditionalist islamic communities definitely couldn't be described as segregation or discrimination, right? So your solution is to punish all Muslims in Europe, instead of just enforcing laws that protect women and LGBT people that are already on the books. Got it. Liberal_L33t posted:many of these immigrants come from cultures that are so sick that they are psychologically not capable of dealing with the level of personal freedom on display at a european beach, and the danger of them violently lashing out in response to displays of freedom is not negligible. Holy poo poo dude. e: Also they are capable of dealing with displays of freedom on a European beach. They're not the ones calling for bans on types of swimsuits. You are. Majorian fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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