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Jonas Albrecht posted:Was that interview with Sharlto Copley as awkward as it seemed to me? Yeah especially when he tried to make an African-American art joke that Trevor didn't seem to appreciate.
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The whole thing was very short and abrupt with no real visible editing cuts and no 'go to web for full interview.' I really thing Trevor was deeply offended by his 'I did as much as I could, I voted to free Mandela' schtick. I had to think what was going through Trevor's head was "Did you protest? Did you get assaulted by the police? We're you outspoken to your insulated world to try to change opinions? No? You didn't do poo poo, get the gently caress out of here." I would have to imagine that "I voted to free Mandela" is the South African equivalent to "I have black friends."
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Yeah, it kind of felt like it started going downhill once he said something about white South Africans never getting heroic roles. I think the shortness was probably due to them doing two interview segments in one show, but he certainly did zip offstage as soon as possible. Parasol Prophet fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Aug 17, 2016 |
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Aug 17, 2016 19:15
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:The Nightly show's entire run was all just leading up to the moment they made that animation of Godzilla Trump and Hillary fighting over the white house complete with tiny Trump hands. Oh man, I never noticed the tiny hands. 
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Aug 17, 2016 20:13
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I'm glad we finally got to see Larry and Franchesca argue about something.
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Aug 17, 2016 21:34
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Can we please get a Scott Thompson hosted show? I just want to see more Buddy Cole segments.
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Aug 18, 2016 01:55
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SyRauk posted:Can we please get a Scott Thompson hosted show? I just want to see more Buddy Cole segments. gently caress it, just bring back Kids in the Hall for 11:30.
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Aug 18, 2016 02:32
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SyRauk posted:Can we please get a Scott Thompson hosted show? I just want to see more Buddy Cole segments. This is such a great idea, which is exactly why it's statistically impossible to ever happen.
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Aug 18, 2016 05:00
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raditts posted:Having it come out that you raped a few dozen women tends to have that effect. What I was saying about the Cosby thing is after he got "outed" everyone turned on him so fast I think some people forgot that he used to be so beloved, and watching that interview post-mortem gave it a different perspective. I remember seeing him on other shows, Letterman, etc., in recent years, and he would appear like a creepy old senile man, which I guess was his schtick? But totally weird, uncomfortable, and unfunny, and in Colbert's interview you could tell he was in love with Cosby, and I almost thought he was going to get under the desk and suck him off. If I'd seen the episode live it would've looked goofy, but after the fact it's almost terrifying.
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Atomizer posted:What I was saying about the Cosby thing is after he got "outed" everyone turned on him so fast I think some people forgot that he used to be so beloved, and watching that interview post-mortem gave it a different perspective. I remember seeing him on other shows, Letterman, etc., in recent years, and he would appear like a creepy old senile man, which I guess was his schtick? But totally weird, uncomfortable, and unfunny, and in Colbert's interview you could tell he was in love with Cosby, and I almost thought he was going to get under the desk and suck him off. Oh, okay. Yeah, I noticed that too, I could never tell if he was pretending to be going senile as an act, or if he actually was. Honestly, I still can't tell.
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raditts posted:Oh, okay. Yeah, I noticed that too, I could never tell if he was pretending to be going senile as an act, or if he actually was. Honestly, I still can't tell.
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So turns out the formatting problems were Larry's idea.quote:When you formulated the nightly show, what was the ultimate goal you had in mind in terms of audience and style of humor? http://www.vice.com/read/maybe-i-got-what-i-deserved-larry-wilmore-reflects-on-the-cancellation-of-the-nightly-show
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IRQ posted:So turns out the formatting problems were Larry's idea. I'm still not sure that would have necessarily saved things, just by virtue of the fact that you're probably not going to get enough people for a quality panel 4 days a week.
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Aug 18, 2016 18:53
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Yeah, I don't think Larry was even wrong there. The panels were consistently the weakest part of the show.
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I think a panel show would have worked if they'd tuned it around being a panel show instead of a panel show, a comedy show, a game show, etc. I guess it's hard to say what it might have been, but I found Larry's daily show style intros to be kind of weak and unfortunately too often rehashes of what the actual daily show just did. I feel like they made sure not to do that very often when Colbert was in that slot.
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I dunno, I kinda remember Colbert doing almost the same jokes about the same topics kinda frequently. They definitely didn't coordinate to make sure that didn't happen
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Bass Bottles posted:I dunno, I kinda remember Colbert doing almost the same jokes about the same topics kinda frequently. Sometimes they found different stories to cover but when something really major happened they had no choice but to both talk about it. Usually they tried to at least make different jokes.
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I remember both TDS and Colbert Report both doing a montage of pundits and politicians, ending with Admiral Ackbar, declaring that some political thing Obama wanted to do with Republcians was a trap for them on the same night.
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TDS and the Report weren't terribly redundant but there was a two week period back in 2010 or 2011 when they felt very very deja vu with topics and jokes.
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JazzFlight posted:Yeah, I saw him twice on Jimmy Fallon when he first got the Tonight Show and he was getting really creepy, like you weren't sure if he was really losing his mind. This was still way before the rape stuff came up and I was weirded out. If he was doing an act, it was bad, and if he really was going senile, well, I actually can't decide which is worse. If you haven't heard, btw, Cosby, who is finally on trial for one of his rapes, has been playing up the "frail old man" angle for sympathy and claims to be completely blind now (although he has had keratoconus for years.)
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Bass Bottles posted:I dunno, I kinda remember Colbert doing almost the same jokes about the same topics kinda frequently. Yeah it's going to be hard for any TDS-style show to not overlap especially given the nutty stuff Trump keeps doling out. Colbert and TDS definitely had tons of overlap in their heyday. Last Week Tonight is probably the most separated from the pack here since they take a Dateline-esque focus on a topic, but even then you have him doing a monologue opening of current events. I liked Larry's monologues. I personally didn't like it when it turned into monologue + sketches, as most of them were duds for me. I get the panel show concept but I don't think it was something that was going to succeed 4x a week, and you saw that through the format changes down to 1 guest per episode.
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Atomizer posted:If you haven't heard, btw, Cosby, who is finally on trial for one of his rapes, has been playing up the "frail old man" angle for sympathy and claims to be completely blind now (although he has had keratoconus for years.) Luckily, he can be blind and a giant piece of poo poo. It's nice having never watched The Cosby Show, I didn't have to deal with any real affection for his work as these allegations came forward.
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Aug 19, 2016 04:10
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Yay, Jon Stewart on Nightly Show. Maybe the panel won't be awful if he sticks around.
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Jon's showed up to bury The Nightly Show, how nice.
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If there's any show that doesn't need a supercut of its character skits, it's this one. Kinda wish they'd just opted for a panel.
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I'm going to miss Larry. He wasn't the most consistantly funny host, and the panels sucked. but TNS could hit it out of the park occasionally.
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It's dogged focus on race issues was something I appreciated if only because it allowed for stuff that even Trevor only occasionally touched on. I wish there was a format that would showcase that better.
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raditts posted:If there's any show that doesn't need a supercut of its character skits, it's this one. Kinda wish they'd just opted for a panel. Agreed, it just felt like a disjointed montage of segment cuts which, with no context, were neither funny nor rang a bell at all to their respective skits, or even what current event story the bits were covering. That being said... that embrace between the two when Jon Stewart was making his exit from the first act was a freaking thing of beauty...what a genuine, real dude
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:Luckily, he can be blind and a giant piece of poo poo. The Cosby Show was on (new) when I was growing up, but I was young enough where I didn't quite get it, and even though this was its first run it felt like an "old" show, along the lines of watching something like I Love Lucy or Get Smart or even all of the old Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes cartoons or whatever (they were still airing stuff from the '30s and '40s, at least when I was little) except that all of that other stuff was so much better than Cosby. Anyways, I was disappointed that Tuesday's episode of TNS was basically a clip show. 
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The major thing I miss from a year ago was Colbert's focus on academics and intellectuals. My booklist was always full of authors he brought on and bantered with. So it was bizarre when Wilmore's panels seemed to deliberately exclude academic voices.
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Aug 19, 2016 06:28
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Watching Daily Show on Hulu. It's presented by Arby's.
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Steve Vader posted:Watching Daily Show on Hulu. Well, now that Jon's gone....
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Bummer  the show was starting to hit its stride, especially with that "The Unblackening" graphic.
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IRQ posted:The show being about race should have helped it if anything, because, sadly, we're having a whole lot of very prominent issues with race in this dumb country right now. I dislike the term "mining outrage" as applied to John Oliver/Jon Stewart but man if Larry had wanted to go hard on that route he could have. But instead he did all the stuff that has already been pointed out as being bad about the show and sat there giggling.
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I love Norm MacDonald stand-up. I love how he just bulldozes a joke's premise and things you take for granted. His special "Me Doing Stand-Up" has been on my DVR for years. The comedians who used to love Cosby were not usually that way due to The Cosby Show, which was certainly a massively popular show at the time - I remember some point in the 90s, TV Guide described it as "the last show we all watched together," meaning both as families and as a country, before cable really hit its stride and splintered audiences. But the big Cosby fans were about his stand-up albums from back in the day - telling stories from when he was a kid who got beat and not the parent beating his kids - because they were so full of complete goofball embellishment, weird voices, and exuberant charm that they made him a highly entertaining storyteller. I listened to those albums constantly as a boy and they informed a great deal of what coalesced into my sense of humor as an adult, and I imagine it was the same for a lot of comedy appreciators/practitioners. And that's why it was such a huge, arresting moment when I saw some random person on tumblr refer to Bill Cosby as a rapist and my brain went into panic mode. "WHY WOULD SOMEBODY SAY THAT? I HAVE FAT ALBERT T-SHIRTS!" And the more I learned, the more devastated I was that this guy I'd enjoyed so much was a goddamned creep-monster. And of course, I have friends who love making edgy Cosby rape jokes that just make me nauseous to this day. I kinda like Jim Jeffries, but I turned off his new special when he started going into Cosby stuff. I still feel horrible about it. Even before that really broke, though, he was looking really "off his meds" on talk shows. The last thing I remember seeing that was fun was when he was on Letterman and he actually climbed a ladder up to the balcony to hang with the fans up there. He was on Jimmy Fallon not long before everything crashed and he was kind of wandering the whole set like he might as well have been drunk. Sometimes, his bits from "Why Is There Air?" that I memorized pop up on my shuffle, and I'll spend some time listening to things that used to make me happy and now make me sad, because wistful reminiscences aren't as funny when you're just wondering whether or not he'd started raping people by the point he's telling you about his football experience against Hofstra. I'm not sure why I haven't taken everything off the iPod yet. Maybe I'm just reminding myself never to have heroes. If Steve Martin ever turns out to be secretly horrible, though, I'm done. Anyway, I'm glad Jon Stewart came back to pep talk Larry Wilmore the same way David Letterman came on Jon Stewart's last MTV show to comfort him about cancellation - even, I believe, quoting Letterman's advice to him about not confusing cancellation with failure.
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I don't share the reverence you do for the Cos, but you can separate the author from their work and still enjoy the latter for what it is. I can think of quite a few cases where you need to do that to varying degrees. That said, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to, especially in the case of Cosby, Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski etc.
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IRQ posted:I don't share the reverence you do for the Cos, but you can separate the author from their work and still enjoy the latter for what it is. I can think of quite a few cases where you need to do that to varying degrees. That said, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to, especially in the case of Cosby, Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski etc. Like with a certain mod and his Trek gifs?
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IRQ posted:I don't share the reverence you do for the Cos, but you can separate the author from their work and still enjoy the latter for what it is. I can think of quite a few cases where you need to do that to varying degrees. That said, I don't blame anyone for not wanting to, especially in the case of Cosby, Michael Jackson, Roman Polanski etc. Yeah, I can still sometimes quietly enjoy it by myself, but I have to put myself back in the before-time, when he was just a lovably silly man and not a shitbag (even though I know there was no time he was not both). It's a little easier with music than comedy, which is a lot more directly relies on identifying with the actual human being. I guess the difference may come in being able to enjoy what you already have/know, but any further actual support of the person or his work should probably be stopped. I'm thankful I never really got into Woody Allen.
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Steve Vader posted:Cosby Thanks for that, I understand much more now. Jim doesn't stay on subject for overly long, I'd recommend skipping ahead five minutes and giving that special another shot.  It was excellent.
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