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Hobo By Design posted:In Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions (Integral in Europe, where it was a rerelease of MGS) there's a mission where the solution is putting C4 on a guard's back to explode an otherwise inaccessible thing. It's super sneaky. There's also a mission that involves equipping a wig, which got incorporated into MGS2. Goddammit, that's how you get through that level? I gotta dig out my ps1.
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The Iron Rose posted:so the new deus ex game has a permadeath difficulty and the name is fantastic  After Tuesday, I suspect this thread will be nothing but Deus Ex for a couple weeks.
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theshim posted:But we diiiiiiiiiiiiid It's coming out on TUESDAY? gently caress.
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Reviews look good enough right now that I might be comfortable with this as a release buy. I feel like the way the marketing had gone, it seemed like a definite "wait a few months for this all to blow over" title to me.
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From reading the Giant Bomb review it sounds like all the 'Mechanical Apartheid' and 'Aug Lives Matter' crap is just marketing bullshit and not actually in the game. Which is a relief. The game sounds like nothing ground breaking, just a better Human Revolution. I can live with that.
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Veotax posted:From reading the Giant Bomb review it sounds like all the 'Mechanical Apartheid' and 'Aug Lives Matter' crap is just marketing bullshit and not actually in the game. Which is a relief. So they caved to the whiny crybabies? What a shame, another gutless game company.
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Veotax posted:From reading the Giant Bomb review it sounds like all the 'Mechanical Apartheid' and 'Aug Lives Matter' crap is just marketing bullshit and not actually in the game. Which is a relief. Human Revolution is one of the very few games I've ever played through twice. If this game is even 1/4th as good I will be very pleased.
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Alteisen posted:So they caved to the whiny crybabies? I imagine that stuff was never in the game and made up for the marketing.
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moosecow333 posted:Human Revolution is one of the very few games I've ever played through twice. If this game is even 1/4th as good I will be very pleased.
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Veotax posted:I imagine that stuff was never in the game and made up for the marketing. It was in concept art, but like most game controversies the bickering was louder and more easily seen than the actual content.
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Alteisen posted:So they caved to the whiny crybabies? nice meltdown
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Just watched the trailer for the new Deus Ex on Steam. Maybe I've been playing too much Overwatch, but I could have sworn there was a moment where one of his Interpol teammates called him Hanzo and he responded by calling the guy McCree.
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Haven't watched that trailer, but I think 'hanzer' was slang for an augmented person in the first game.
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There was even a thinly-veiled take of Twilight in HR, but with Hanzers. I wonder pop-culture references will make it into MD.
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Ohhh, I get it. Hanzer, as in enhanced, as in augmented. I didn't understand what that phrase meant besides that it was derogatory towards augs (deraugatory?) until now.
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Apparently this is from MD, but I'm not sure if I buy it. I guess I could see Sega OKing it, they're pretty self aware these days.
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Veotax posted:Apparently this is from MD, but I'm not sure if I buy it. https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/766748512545415168
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Stuntman posted:Have you played the original Deus Ex yet? It's on my list of games to play, but I don't have nearly as much time as I did back in College.
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Veotax posted:I imagine that stuff was never in the game and made up for the marketing. I don't believe that for a second, the director in particular defended the mechanical apartheid thing pretty vigorously when it first came to light a few years ago and they got a hell of a lot of black for the aug lives matter thing to.. Its funny cause the same companies that want games to try to mirror political things a little are the same ones that complain the loudest when a company does try to do it.
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moosecow333 posted:It's on my list of games to play, but I don't have nearly as much time as I did back in College. There aren't like a whole load of games I'd say go back and check that out because stuff ages in really harsh ways and in some respects Deus Ex the original is loving old but you should go back and check that poo poo out because its actually a great loving game. Its like a half life 1 level milestone in gaming but better. Sorry about the first level or so but yeah. It would be 5 dollars and about 20 odd hours very well spent.
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There's understandable concerns that video game writers don't have the chops to really do justice to real world issues. That said, we won't see any improvement in that area without people trying it.
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2house2fly posted:There's understandable concerns that video game writers don't have the chops to really do justice to real world issues. That said, we won't see any improvement in that area without people trying it. To me its a little infuriating when they don't to be honest. To follow on from my last post characters in Deus Ex stated their political stance pretty clearly. You could take the attitude that they were right on or loving stupid and that was on you but they were pretty earnest in where they were coming from. It wasn't like a rockstar like everything is irony dodge. My most recent annoyance with this was watch_dogs when they had a hacker wizard man who dresses like an anarchist involved in the most generic revenge quest ever. It was aggravating, like we don't have to agree with him or we can but its like ubisoft were terrified we would disagree with any distinctive viewpoint. Like if you gently caress up this stuff its alright, at least you tried. Its way less offensive than we didn't because we have total contempt for the audience.
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Alteisen posted:I don't believe that for a second, the director in particular defended the mechanical apartheid thing pretty vigorously when it first came to light a few years ago and they got a hell of a lot of black for the aug lives matter thing to.. Oh wow you actually were serious.
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Aphrodite posted:Oh wow you actually were serious. I had to do this as well and I was already sure Alteisen was loathsome
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Alteisen posted:they got a hell of a lot of black for the aug lives matter thing to.. Is this a typo?
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Games are basically the worst format available to discuss serious issues and they probably always will be. At its current best it's essentially a mockery unintentional or not.
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Trainmonk posted:Games are basically the worst format available to discuss serious issues and they probably always will be. At its current best it's essentially a mockery unintentional or not. I mean it will be until someone with balls makes a half-way decent product. Then the triple A product that cribs ideas poorly will be the stand-out.
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timp posted:Is this a typo? Yes. quote:Oh wow you actually were serious. Why wouldn't I be? Do you want games to at least attempt to mimic some real life situations or do you want your shootymans press button, boss is dead via metal balls I fired from my torso, can't have it both ways. Story telling wise gaming is still in its infancy but they could make the attempt, problem is companies always catch poo poo from offended retards, at this point we'll just keep getting the same tired old stuff if every single time someone tries the perpetually offended brigade sounds the horns. quote:I had to do this as well and I was already sure Alteisen was loathsome Gonna lose so sleep over this, you don't even know. 
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Alteisen posted:Gonna lose so sleep over this, you don't even know. you will
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Trainmonk posted:Games are basically the worst format available to discuss serious issues and they probably always will be. At its current best it's essentially a mockery unintentional or not. I think the only bad part about this on its own is that Deus Ex is literally the worst game to do this with. Games as a medium are already kinda not built to handle big, serious and complex issues due to the desire for a resolution; it'll either be offensively easy to resolve or really unsatisfying. But Deus Ex is even worse for it, since it's a setting where every single problem is explicitly the fault of the one guy at the top and nobody else. That's not just an offensive interpretation, it's potentially dangerous in this case.
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What I want to know is how many actual marginalized people are interested in games taking stances for them and how many are just regular white guys seeking a sophisticated storyline involving real world issues. I think that, ironically with deus ex, "we didn't ask for this" is a common feeling among people those issues actually involve.
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One of the guys pushing mechanical apartheid was a black dude getting accused of "internalized privilege" which was pretty loving funny, regardless of how you felt towards the actual subject. Personally I want games to explore this stuff even if they do keep stumbling and loving it up initially. As long as a piece of media isn't trying to be intentionally derogatory and offensive I don't think it's asking too much it at least tries to say something.
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Cleretic posted:I think the only bad part about this on its own is that Deus Ex is literally the worst game to do this with. hmmm yes i wonder what parallels can be drawn between a powerful elite keeping those below them oppressed, and the real world
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Personally I can draw parallels between a steep and icy slope with a giant pile of garbage at the bottom and the direction this thread's been heading.
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My favorite minigame on somethingawful dot com is finding a thread without politicocultural bullshit. It's a tough one.
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poptart_fairy posted:hmmm yes i wonder what parallels can be drawn between a powerful elite keeping those below them oppressed, and the real world Deus Ex's "powerful elite" is literally the illuminati archetype trope played entirely straight, so I dunno if it's the best platform for its writers to draw that parallel.
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