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Sub Rosa fucked around with this message at 03:33 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Sub Rosa posted:That's me. Yep, you were who I was thinking of. I actually never asked about any experiences you've had since your transition, any you'd be willing to share?
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Jun 23, 2016 09:58
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Sub Rosa fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Jun 23, 2016 10:23
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A question on terminology, and feel free to slap me if its not kosher, but would you prefer to be called sister or brother? I try to make an effort on pronouns etc but as non co-masonry is fraternal I'm not sure on the etiquette here, and I don't want to cause offence in future by using the wrong one for you. Regardless of whether a woman can be a mason or not, anyone who took our oaths is a part of our Masonic family and entitled to the fullest respect.
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Jun 23, 2016 10:50
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Loomer posted:Regardless of whether a woman can be a mason or not, anyone who took our oaths is a part of our Masonic family and entitled to the fullest respect. Yeah this. People forget that there was actually an obligated female Mason at one point. Granted, it's because she had been hiding up in the floor above the lodge and knew all the rituals by that point, BUT STILL.
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Jun 23, 2016 11:05
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Loomer posted:Regardless of whether a woman can be a mason or not, anyone who took our oaths is a part of our Masonic family and entitled to the fullest respect. Regardless whatever, everyone is entitled our fullest respect. It is hard and making exceptions is tempting, but aren't we all about trying to be better men?
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Jun 23, 2016 12:47
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Sub Rosa fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Sep 24, 2019 |
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Jun 25, 2016 09:31
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There are several, more liberal leaning lodges in NC, but they are the exception. There are plenty more, unfortunately, that prefer to dwell in the dark ages. Interestingly enough, our grand lodge is refreshingly progressive. At least compared to the rest of the South.
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Jun 26, 2016 14:16
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Sub Rosa posted:We actually haven't met though I surmise he's WM of the lodge I like best in my city. I'm JW of P. P. Turner lodge #746. I just fill in for conferring degrees because uh... it's hard to get people to make an effort sometimes. Especially in a small lodge.
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Jun 26, 2016 21:58
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COOL CORN posted:I'm JW of P. P. Turner lodge #746. I just fill in for conferring degrees because uh... it's hard to get people to make an effort sometimes. Especially in a small lodge.
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Jun 28, 2016 14:39
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Anyone from the Perth / WA area that I can ask for a favor?
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Jul 3, 2016 14:51
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I don't want to start a political discussion, but apparently the uncle of the man shot in Minnesota the other day is a past Grand Master of the Minnesota Prince Hall Grand Lodge. I was watching an interview with him on CNN, and at the end he said, "I'd just like to say one more thing, oh Lord, m-... (etc. etc.)". I've never heard anyone actually use the words of distress in earnest before, but it was very emotional to hear.
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Jul 7, 2016 23:55
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COOL CORN posted:I don't want to start a political discussion, but apparently the uncle of the man shot in Minnesota the other day is a past Grand Master of the Minnesota Prince Hall Grand Lodge. I was watching an interview with him on CNN, and at the end he said, "I'd just like to say one more thing, oh Lord, m-... (etc. etc.)". I've never heard anyone actually use the words of distress in earnest before, but it was very emotional to hear. That's a pretty powerful call.
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Jul 8, 2016 00:15
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http://freemasonsunited.online/ I'm not sure who is organizing this, but it seems like an interesting idea.
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Jul 8, 2016 17:31
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COOL CORN posted:I don't want to start a political discussion, but apparently the uncle of the man shot in Minnesota the other day is a past Grand Master of the Minnesota Prince Hall Grand Lodge. I was watching an interview with him on CNN, and at the end he said, "I'd just like to say one more thing, oh Lord, m-... (etc. etc.)". I've never heard anyone actually use the words of distress in earnest before, but it was very emotional to hear. Holy poo poo, what a gesture.
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Jul 8, 2016 18:14
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I just found the clip and watched that segment. I can actually see him trying to decide what to do. I really, really hope that masonsunited thing doesn't end up being squandered or end up being kinda lovely/half felt or some - even worse, scam.
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Jul 9, 2016 23:50
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Innerguard posted:I just found the clip and watched that segment. I can actually see him trying to decide what to do. Here's a link to where he says it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuhbAZ6hlH4&t=22m20s
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Jul 10, 2016 23:21
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Hey guys, sorry if you get this question often but I I'd like to ask you something I'm in London and I've had the opportunity to visit the UGLE. I'm not a freemason but I'm interested in being one, and I often have a lot of free time I'd like to be able to dedicate to some coordinated charitable activities Is there any way I can approach the UGLE for volunteering activities and maybe some day become a freemason? I don't know any freemasons in this country so it may be difficult tia
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Jul 10, 2016 23:29
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Furia posted:Hey guys, sorry if you get this question often but I I'd like to ask you something Why not do it the other way around? Become a mason and then dedicate your time to your charitable activities of choice? Because it would be weird to dedicate your time to UGLE without being a mason. Anyway, use their site to find a lodge close to you and visit them, find out if they are people you can associate with and get your application in. It won't be to hard to get two masons to vouch for you, we can help out with that if needed.
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Jul 11, 2016 13:35
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SimonChris posted:http://freemasonsunited.online/ Don't think I'll be submitting my name and info to a random website on the Internet about Freemasons 
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Jul 11, 2016 16:22
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Keetron posted:Why not do it the other way around? Become a mason and then dedicate your time to your charitable activities of choice? Well, I'm currently in a position in which I can offer a lot of my time but not in which I think I can become a mason or perform my duties to the best of my ability. I'll try to find a local lodge anyways and see what comes out of it
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Jul 11, 2016 17:43
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If you wait for the "perfect time", you'll be waiting your whole life. If you're interested, go check it out. The time will sort itself out.
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Jul 15, 2016 13:17
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Last night was pretty great. Our lodge was host to the School of Instruction, practicing the FC degree. I sat JS, and apparently did a good job. What was truly great was seeing our lodge so full. We're a rather small lodge, able to fill all the chairs, but not much more than that. It's quite beautiful, seeing so many good men in harmony, especially during the summer.
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Jul 15, 2016 15:39
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Here's something cool. My lodge is P. P. Turner lodge #746 in Greensboro, NC. We just had this paper framed: It's a newspaper from November 11th, 1918, announcing the end of World War 1. On the back, there's a really small announcement for the next Greensboro lodge meeting, with Worshipful Master, P. P. Turner. Pretty cool 
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Jul 21, 2016 13:04
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A pretty fair article: http://www.break.com/article/20-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-freemasonry-3037478
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Jul 27, 2016 22:58
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I find myself in the awkward position of several brothers wanting me to join the Templars while I'm not a Christian or a trinitarian in the conventional sense. I recognize the existence of the holy trinity but through a qabalistic and pantheistic perspective, but somehow I doubt that counts for their purposes.
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Aug 17, 2016 15:02
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Loomer posted:I find myself in the awkward position of several brothers wanting me to join the Templars while I'm not a Christian or a trinitarian in the conventional sense. I recognize the existence of the holy trinity but through a qabalistic and pantheistic perspective, but somehow I doubt that counts for their purposes. Maybe, but don't make their minds up for them.
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Aug 17, 2016 19:04
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http://www.msana.com/msastats.asp North American membership statistics for 2015 are out. Unfortunately, the decline in membership does not seem to be reversing, except in a couple of individual states.
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Aug 17, 2016 21:05
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Loomer posted:I find myself in the awkward position of several brothers wanting me to join the Templars while I'm not a Christian or a trinitarian in the conventional sense. I recognize the existence of the holy trinity but through a qabalistic and pantheistic perspective, but somehow I doubt that counts for their purposes. So just say "thanks, but no thanks". That's why I did. I'm pretty much the only Jewish guy in my lodge, so I get where you're coming from. My thoughts on the matter are, if you can't get behind the premise of the Templars, then you're probably not going to get much out of the ritual either, right?
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Aug 18, 2016 03:29
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Probably, yeah. It's one I'm going to think on and ask those brethren if they'd be comfortable still recommending me as a Templar, and maybe a few of the grand preceptories in the country of their learned opinion. If they're comfortable and the grand preceptories see no issue, then it comes down to whether or not I'm personally comfortable with becoming one. So far the response from the brethren has been very respectful of my apologies, but disappointed to hear. One's sending me the text of the vows to see if my religious beliefs are compatible with the wording and intent, and he's a man I deeply respect as we view oaths and obligations the same way - if we make them, we mean them, as all masons should but some unfortunately don't.
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Aug 18, 2016 08:18
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SimonChris posted:http://www.msana.com/msastats.asp I did the math and you guys lost about 4 percent from 2014. 2nd worst year, 1st worst being 2013. FWIW and the lodges I have visted it looks like its the older generation dying off. The lodge I am joining (september or october, I can't wait) is half old guys and half young guys. I went fishing the other week with a guy from the lodge, and he told me that the NY grand lodge has specifically issued a directive saying that if some of the senior members start bellyaching to the new guys the officers are supposed to intercede and get the young guys away from that conversation. he also said lodge meetings can be painful when the old guard starts going on with 'well we did it this way when i was new and why should we change now'.
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Aug 19, 2016 20:31
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Membership trends are, in my opinion, a correction against an overgrowth. The generational issues will resolve only with time.
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Aug 19, 2016 20:54
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Paramemetic posted:Membership trends are, in my opinion, a correction against an overgrowth. The generational issues will resolve only with time. I completely agree. Too much energy is spent on trying to stop a return to equilibrium.
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Aug 19, 2016 23:30
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In California we Initiated/Passed/Raised more men year over year from 2000 to 2913 or so, but still the decline continues due to just how many WWII and and Korea vets are dying. They estimated we wouldn't start actually growing again until 2020 at the earliest.
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Aug 20, 2016 01:21
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Rural freemasonry is in decline, but what concerns me is that the response to that decline where I am is not to try and arrest it or to reasonably downscale, but to more or less amputate the rural lodges completely. That includes my lodge, which was built at a time when membership numbers in the region were lower than they are now. We're not looking to pre-50s equilibrium - we're trying to maintain the numbers from the post-war boom by collapsing lodges together and forcing masonry into the cities.
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Aug 20, 2016 04:16
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I agree definitely with you that that is a problem. I think it has to do with a combination of rising land costs and grand lodges that, fat from days of plenty, no longer are satisfied with lodges merely breaking even on their properties. Rather than allowing rich urban lodges to support the perpetual existence of poor rural lodges, they see it as better to kill off the decentralized rural lodges altogether. After all, the urban lodges either have new buildings it would be a shame not to use, or elaborate, ornate buildings in the case that the urban lodge has always been rich. By contrast, think the grand lodges, the rural lodges are often either older and in disrepair, or modest and simple, and so better to do away with those buildings as not much is lost. In either case I think that is one of the major disasters of the decline, but it's not really a problem of the decline itself so much as it is one of grand lodges operating with a profit or growth mentality.
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Aug 20, 2016 04:26
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Do any of you know anything about the Scottish Lodge in the West Indies? I ask because I have a Worshipful Master certificate from an ancestor that was assuredly not Scottish, and I'm wondering why he ended up there and not the standard Grand Lodge of England. He was an Anglican priest residing in Barbados, if either of those things has any bearing on the answer!
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Aug 26, 2016 23:13
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Noctis Horrendae posted:Do any of you know anything about the Scottish Lodge in the West Indies? You had the answer all along. The District Grand Lodge of Barbados is constituted under the Grand Lodge of Scotland. The UGLE also has a Grand Lodge that shares some of that jurisdiction as part of the Eastern Caribbean but the individual lodges are split between which one is their constituting Grand Lodge.
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Aug 26, 2016 23:43
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Paramemetic posted:You had the answer all along. The District Grand Lodge of Barbados is constituted under the Grand Lodge of Scotland. The UGLE also has a Grand Lodge that shares some of that jurisdiction as part of the Eastern Caribbean but the individual lodges are split between which one is their constituting Grand Lodge. That's pretty interesting. Is there any historical reason for this beyond "Scottish settlers established Freemasonry here first"?
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Aug 27, 2016 00:26
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Whoop! I have my initiation date! on the 28th I get my first degree! I heard that they are doing a practice sunday morning at 10 AM for this. Is it appropriate to get a gift for the officers or the lodge? Maybe a bottle of booze or something?
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