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Which Thread Title shall we name this new thread?
This poll is closed.
Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce 44 21.36%
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress 19 9.22%
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin 9 4.37%
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit 8 3.88%
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died 24 11.65%
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country 14 6.80%
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread 17 8.25%
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter 15 7.28%
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming 2 0.97%
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy 10 4.85%
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union 5 2.43%
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die 25 12.14%
Total: 206 votes
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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Acaila posted:

Updates


Saturday 20th August
Edinburgh
Draft Itinerary:
17:00 - Meet at Revolution, Chambers Street, opposite the National Museum for drinks/food - online booking system not working so will see if I can get them on the phone
20:30 - The Dark Room at The Underbelly - book your own ticket through edfringe.com - https://tickets.edfringe.com/whats-on/john-robertson-the-dark-room
Book in advance because you don't want to be the n00b who doesn't get in and it sold out last Saturday.

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Acaila
Autonomous Monster
Budgie
Angepain
IceAgeComing
Murderion
Have I missed anyone?



Also Kin, you really do need to see The Dark Room cos it's ace.

Yeah, me. :(

I'll be getting in at about half six, depending on whether or not I get out of work in time. Will definitely be there by seven, anyway.

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ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
If you aren't drinking £2 taddy lager just lol

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Venomous posted:

Yeah, me. :(

I'll be getting in at about half six, depending on whether or not I get out of work in time. Will definitely be there by seven, anyway.

Yay! Will DM you if we move or anything

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
I'm probably going to be around by half 5, depending on how quickly I can pick up my tickets. Anyone know anywhere likely to be less busy than the fringe shop?

OfficialGBSCaliph posted:

If you aren't drinking £2 taddy lager just lol

I've seen places selling pints of loving tenants for near 4 quid during the festival; it's a universal thing

IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Aug 20, 2016

Murderion
Oct 4, 2009

2019. New York is in ruins. The global economy is spiralling. Cyborgs rule over poisoned wastes.

The only time that's left is
FUN TIME

IceAgeComing posted:

I'm probably going to be around by half 5, depending on how quickly I can pick up my tickets. Anyone know anywhere likely to be less busy than the fringe shop?


I've seen places selling pints of loving tenants for near 4 quid during the festival; it's a universal thing

There's a place on Bristo square, not the pleasance one, but one in the University souvenir shop. It's a bit hidden, but usually quite quiet. I'll set off once the rain goes from torrential to just bucketing.

PS: As a frind of the frienge, I get 2-for-1 on the show tonight, in case anyone hasn't got their ticket yet and wants to go splitsies.

PPS: In case I'm the first there, I'll be the extremely generic looking man in a blue hoodie and faded jeans.

Murderion fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Aug 20, 2016

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

Akka and I are in the place. Now watch as the failure to book a table sinks the entire venture.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



I am standing outside. Navy coat, jeans, purple brolly, sparkly shoes, long brown hair.
AM has gone to find a table somewhere else cos they are full here.

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
I'll head there unless I hear otherwise; black and white jumper, grey jeans, colourful converse and wearing glasses

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



IceAgeComing posted:

I'll head there unless I hear otherwise; black and white jumper, grey jeans, colourful converse and wearing glasses

Keep an eye on the thread. Will update as soon as.

Also it's you and Venomous who look like a certain band isn't it?

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
I'm currently on the outskirts of Edinburgh on the train, should be there in 20 minutes or so. I await the endless fun that is trying to find a corner of space in Edinburgh during the fringe.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



In my defence, I tried to book a table twice!

If anyone is worried about us not ending up where we planned, we can delegate someone to come meet you.
Also I happily answer to Acaila irl so you don't need to enquire as to whether there are stairs in my house if you don't want to sound weird

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
I'm at Waverley now if anyone is just arriving

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
Compared to the last one this is already a marvel of organisation so you at least have that to point to

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



This is why I like you Angepain!

Is quite entertaining playing "do they look goony enough" on the street

Ok AM has got a table for 6 in Bibles. Other end of Chambers Street and corner of South Bridge. Heading there now

IceAgeComing
Jan 29, 2013

pretty fucking embarrassing to watch
I'm outside Biblos now; I take it that you are inside?

KOGAHAZAN!!
Apr 29, 2013

a miserable failure as a person

an incredible success as a magical murder spider

IceAgeComing posted:

I'm outside Biblos now; I take it that you are inside?

Top floor at the back.

I got upstairs and discovered it was a total internet dead zone.

Budgie
Mar 9, 2007
Yeah, like the bird.
I would check the thread after making a tit of myself in rev.

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь
I once went to Edinburgh with my wife and we went into a bar and had bottles of aspall cider for £4.90 each. That's my Edinburgh is poo poo story.

E: delirium tremens is less than that in York's wankiest hipster pub :mad:

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Budgie posted:

I would check the thread after making a tit of myself in rev.

To be fair, it was O2's fault for apparently not delivering my text!

Home safe, thanks to all for coming

Ice Age Coming has already volunteered to host the next Scotpol meet. It's on here, so it's official :D

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Acaila posted:

To be fair, it was O2's fault for apparently not delivering my text!

Home safe, thanks to all for coming

Ice Age Coming has already volunteered to host the next Scotpol meet. It's on here, so it's official :D

Where has he volunteered to host it? If it's not his house he's not a host. :colbert:

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



Well he did say St Ninians :colbert:

And those who don't come to meets don't get to nitpick!

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Acaila posted:

Well he did say St Ninians :colbert:

And those who don't come to meets don't get to nitpick!

I would have come, but I'm travelling to Warwick for the Discworld Convention on Thursday.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Extreme0 posted:

The Blairite that wants Corbyn gone is a socialist? loving hardly.

I did say it was unusual.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday

quote:

Here are the stories making headlines in Scotland on Monday August 22.

The Scottish Daily Mail leads with Mo Farah's gold victory on the final day of the Rio Olympic Games.

https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/767471970636169218/photo/1

While the Daily Record reports a teenager tried to save him mother and brother, before they were pulled from the sea at Aberdeen beach.

https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/767599661469294592/photo/1

Again The Scottish Sun lead with the deaths of the mother and son, which has sparked a warning from the RNLI.

https://twitter.com/ScottishSun/status/767527461395501056/photo/1

Jeremy Corbyn will use a visit to Scotland this week to categorically rule out the prospect of a 'progressive alliance' between Labour and the SNP ahead of the 2020 General Election, The Herald reveals.

https://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/767481059206389760/photo/1

The National reports Scotland's seafood industry faces a £93m black hole over the next six years because of Brexit.

https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/767459217221492736/photo/1

And Kenny MacAskill has said Scotland was "set up to take the rap" for the global fall-out of the Lockerbie bombing because the country lacks the "might and power" of the international elites it was up against, in The Scotsman.

https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/767480953086377984/photo/1

The MacAskill story is pretty weird - I honestly don't know what he's talking about in terms of Scotland "taking the rap" for Lockerbie. He's got a book out, so presumably he's trying to stir up a bit of controversy and make himself sound like both a major player in international justice and a victim of powerful and shady forces.

Here's the whole thing from the Scotsman:

quote:

MacAskill: ‘Scotland took the rap for Lockerbie aftermath’

SCOTLAND was “set up to take the rap” for the global fall-out of the Lockerbie bombing because the country lacks the “might and power” of the international elites it was up against, former justice secretary Kenny MacAskill has said. Mr MacAskill says he is “contemptuous” of the US and UK authorities which left Scotland with an international “black spot” over the trial and release of Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al Megrahi, the only man convicted of the 1988 bombing. And he warned that investigators will never get to the bottom of the Lockerbie case, which is likely to endure alongside other conspiracy theories like the Kennedy assassination and 9/11. “We took the rap for Lockerbie – but there was huge international deals going on,” MacAskill told the Edinburgh international book festival yesterday. “They were commercial and they were security and we were just flotsam and jetsam – the same as the bags
 that fell upon the poor town of Lockerbie.” Lockerbie is the UK’s worst terrorist incident, which saw Pan Am flight 103 explode over the town killing 270 people on board and on the ground. Mr MacAskill, who stood down as an MSP in the Holyrood election earlier this year, became the focus of international attention when he took the controversial decision to release Megrahi in 2009 when he was diagnosed as having terminal cancer and just three months to live. He went on to live another three years, prompting widespread anger among the families of the Lockerbie victims, particularly in the US.

Mr MacAskill yesterday launched a furious attack on the “hypocrisy” of key players in the affair, such as the UK government which did oil deals with Libya in exchange for an agreement to return Megrahi. “The Scottish Government and indeed Scotland got a black spot – not simply the bomb that landed and devastated the town of Lockerbie. We got dumped with this and told get on with it. “Meanwhile the British, the Americans were conniving. Others were all over there.” He added that the relationship between Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi and Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi and former French president Nicolas Sarkozy was “something else”. “This was a global event which happened to impact upon Scotland, but in which the Lockerbie bombing was a sideshow in many ways.” He added; “It suited people to be able to put the blame on somebody and to say it was Scotland. Because Obama, Clinton, [former minister Jack] Straw all came out and said “don’t agree with it – absolutely appalling.” And they had been conniving and working for it. We actually delivered what they wanted which was to let Megrahi go.” The UK government wanted to ease the way for lucrative oil deals between Libya and British oil giant BP, which prompted the notorious prisoner transfer agreement between the UK and Libya. This could have also seen Megrahi returned to his homeland, but was not granted by Mr MacAskill. The former justice secretary told a sell-out audience yesterday that the Lockerbie bombing was carried out by a “coalition of the willing” which took in the Libyan state, but was also likely to have included Palestinian terrorist group the PFLP-GC (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command). “You can’t take the Lockerbie bombing in isolation,” he said. “The trial doesn’t happen in isolation in international affairs where Scottish judges and the Scottish police service are entirely oblivious to what is going on when the UK foreign office, the American intelligence services are engaged – all of this was ongoing and there was downright hypocrisy.”

In 2003, Gaddafi accepted responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing and paid compensation to the families of the victims, although he maintained that he had never given the order for the attack. Mr MacAskill said: “This is going to run and run – this is up there with the grassy knoll and 9/11,” Mr MacAskill warned. I don’t know that we will ever get to the bottom of this. Equally I’m highly sceptical as to whether a Scottish inquiry could ever get to the bottom of this.”

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Anyone feeling any sympathy for the Scottish fishing industry being harmed by the EU exit should be aware that those cunts voted for it.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Jedit posted:

Anyone feeling any sympathy for the Scottish fishing industry being harmed by the EU exit should be aware that those cunts voted for it.

I'm sure this can be solved by fishing even more fish!

duckmaster
Sep 13, 2004
Mr and Mrs Duck go and stay in a nice hotel.

One night they call room service for some condoms as things are heating up.

The guy arrives and says "do you want me to put it on your bill"

Mr Duck says "what kind of pervert do you think I am?!

QUACK QUACK
I sometimes wonder if anyone at the Mail knows Mo Farah is a Muslim immigrant called Mohammed.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.

Jedit posted:

Anyone feeling any sympathy for the Scottish fishing industry being harmed by the EU exit should be aware that those cunts voted for it.

Christian Allard anxiously fiddles with his glasses and grasps his hair in despair.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
gently caress the fishing industry, the 'no take zone' in Lamlash bay should be extended nationwide imho.

Acaila
Jan 2, 2011



I'm apparently too tired to remember how to embed things (yay 1 hour's sleep!) but here is the sole photo I took at the goonmeet: http://imgur.com/a/gMAro

tithin
Nov 14, 2003


[Grandmaster Tactician]



Disappointed, I was expecting the goat man

suck my woke dick
Oct 10, 2012

:siren:I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!:siren:

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Jedit posted:

Anyone feeling any sympathy for the Scottish fishing industry being harmed by the EU exit should be aware that those cunts voted for it.

The fishing industry is shortsighted to the point of ignoring eternal long term profit in favour of two years of quick bucks poonds. It needs to get in the sea sink into the Atlantic.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Coohoolin posted:

Christian Allard anxiously fiddles with his glasses and grasps his hair in despair.

As well he should, because the SNP are going to lose Banff and Buchan in the next election.

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Corbyn ruling out a "progressive alliance" is the best news to come out of all this Labour shite. Labour need to improve SLab and actually deal with myths of a progressive SNP, not parade them around like heroes.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames
Might anyone in this thread be at risk of developing this?

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Cat Boyd follows me on twitter. That's my story of the day.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


cargohills posted:

Corbyn ruling out a "progressive alliance" is the best news to come out of all this Labour shite. Labour need to improve SLab and actually deal with myths of a progressive SNP, not parade them around like heroes.

Oh one hand yes, on the other hand, ScotLab are loving hopelessly shite & the rarely seem to muster a critique of SNP more damning than "SNP BAD". Which is annoying when Jedit does it & a trillion times more when it's MPs who should actually be putting forward the case for why the SNP are bad. But then Scottish Labour hasn't had any vision since Donald Dewar died.

Of course I have no idea how to change that so this is pretty much just "LABOUR BAD" so I guess I'm being hypocritical. But I really don't know how ScotLab turn it around. It doesn't help that ScotLab is now to the right of the rest of the Labour Party (members wise).

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

The ScotLab leadership don't criticise the SNP properly which is why it's utterly vital that the Labour left in Scotland and the rest of the UK do. And even though SLab's membership is more right-wing it still voted for Corbyn last time and CLPs have nominated him this time. There just hasn't been a proper chance in Scotland since Corbyn of tearing down the leadership.

e: Also speaking as an active member of Campaign for Socialism (now "Momentum Scotland") there's a decent amount of work being done by the left ~~behind the scenes~~ (e.g. I know SA tends to be a bit older and probably doesn't pay attention to stuff like this but Young Labour currently has a very left-wing exec)

cargohills fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Aug 23, 2016

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Martin Kitts-Hayes, the Lib Dem councillor who turned Aberdeenshire Council over to the SNP in exchange for 30 pieces of silver the deputy leadership, just made the news after wasting £5000 pulling his delegation out of a conference in Denmark because he didn't like the accommodation and then trying to cover it up.

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Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Tuesday

quote:

Here are the stories making headlines in Scotland on Tuesday August 23.

A six-year-old boy who died alongside his mother after being swept out to sea has been described as a "lovely little boy" by his headteacher in The Press and Journal.

https://twitter.com/pressjournal/status/767870596629798913/photo/1

The Scotsman reports Jeremy Corbyn will seek to convince Labour members he can win back support from SNP backers by attacking the Nationalists' credentials as a progressive party during a visit to Scotland this week.

http://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/767846215983763456/photo/1

While The Herald leads with a new report that claims Scotland has the UK's worst gender pay gap with females in management roles paid almost £11,000 less on average than their male counterparts.

http://twitter.com/heraldscotland/status/767851211722723328/photo/1

The Scottish Sun reports lecturer Robert Kerr stabbed his wife Xin Xin Liu 76 times then made himself a hot drink as she lay dead.

https://twitter.com/ScottishSun/status/767875410751258624/photo/1

The Daily Record also lead with Kerr, whose guilty plea was reduced to a plea of culpable homicide, as well as the death of a piper.

https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/767949593912893441/photo/1

Hundreds of police officers will be axed amid "secret cuts" to the force, reports the Scottish Daily Mail.

https://twitter.com/AlanRoden/status/767846368463519744/photo/1

Scientists have issued a warning over 'bagpipe lung', reports The National, after a piper's death was thought to have been caused by mould in his instrument.

http://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/767831032259289090/photo/1

And The Courier reports two drivers had to be cut free from their vehicles after a bus and van collided in Angus.

https://twitter.com/C_RMacCallum/status/767847714411413504/photo/1

I know Pissflaps already brought it up, but the National's front page is basically beyond parody in its petty parochialism (see also the two story splashes above it as well).

As for ScotLab, I honestly can't see a way forward; as much as I agree with the idea of attacking the SNP for not being progressive I just don't think it will get any electoral traction. The narratives are so entrenched at this point that the SNP can literally campaign on a tax cutting program and people still angrily denounce Labour as the Tory-lite option. Their record in government over the last 9 years isn't good, but that doesn't appear to matter to a lot of people - as long as they avoid any high profile scandals/disasters, continue to blame poor growth/employment/inequality etc etc on external forces, and continue with positive-but-empty rhetoric, I suspect they'll last a lot longer in power than Tom Devine's suggested 5 more years

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