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trem_two posted:There probably is value being assigned to the Kinja platform itself, in addition to the specific web properties. Negative?
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Spoeank posted:Gawker being filled with unrepentant poo poo bags getting their comeuppance will never not be funny to me. The difference between Gawker deserving to be put down for some of the garbage it produced and it being killed by basically skirting the law until the money was gone in a fit of spite opening the door for any billionaire with enough patience and a grudge against other news organizations is a massive difference and I hope people are taking that into account when they say this poo poo.
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Aug 19, 2016 16:23
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Don't out someone as gay then waive your dicks in everyones face about defying a court order to take down a sextape idk it's not that hard
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Spoeank posted:Don't out someone as gay then waive your dicks in everyones face about defying a court order to take down a sextape idk it's not that hard It's still a bad precedent. Like, yes, gawker was awful, I am not sad that it is gone. How that went down is also a bad thing. The court system in general in this area is a bad thing. All of those can be true at the same time.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:13
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Yeah, I mean I don't feel I totally understand people who say a billionaire took them down. It sucks that our court system requires so much capital to use, but at the end of the day the case and the court laid down the penalty. Saying a billionaire paid to shut down Gawker is pretty disingenuous when it was a pretty straight line between their journalism, the original court order, their disregard of it, and the lawsuit. Sure, Thiel bankrolled Hogan, but it was the case Hogan brought that sunk them.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:17
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I agree. The precedent isn't that it's okay for billionaires to crush news organizations out of spite. It's that celebrity sextapes aren't newsworthy. I get why a lot of the journalism community is disturbed by this, but I think the impact is greatly exaggerated. And I hate arguing with hypotheticals, but if say, Breitbart angered a powerful left-wing person and wound up shut down over something equally stupid, most writers would probably be overjoyed.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:26
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Aug 19, 2016 17:27
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Henchman of Santa posted:I agree. The precedent isn't that it's okay for billionaires to crush news organizations out of spite. It's that celebrity sextapes aren't newsworthy. I get why a lot of the journalism community is disturbed by this, but I think the impact is greatly exaggerated. And I hate arguing with hypotheticals, but if say, Breitbart angered a powerful left-wing person and wound up shut down over something equally stupid, most writers would probably be overjoyed. This hits the nail on the head. They outed Peter Thiel ages ago and that weirdo bided his time until they decided to make a noose and put it around their own neck. It's not like he went out and destroyed Gawker with no real legal impetus, which is how people frame it.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:33
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Spoeank posted:This hits the nail on the head. They outed Peter Thiel ages ago and that weirdo bided his time until they decided to make a noose and put it around their own neck. It's not like he went out and destroyed Gawker with no real legal impetus, which is how people frame it. This would all be completely different if Thiel sued gawker into oblivion because they outed him. But mainly the thing I'm bothered by isn't Thiel or Gawker, it's the way the court system works in these things. Like, half of Gawker's original plan was to wait for Hogan to run out of money (which he never had much of anyway), which is also lovely. The whole thing needs to be changed in some fashion, but I don't have the answer as to how.
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Aug 19, 2016 17:45
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Looks like Deadspin is picking a few people up. https://twitter.com/TomKludt/status/766671845558976512
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Aug 19, 2016 18:26
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HamNo is fantastic if (and it's a huge if) he's writing about boxing. Outside of that, hoooo boy
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Just wanted to say that I watched the most recent Simmons episode (after only watching the wasted Affleck interview clip and the first 10 seconds of the horrible Rapaport deflategate thing) and it was nearly tolerable. I cringed through the pre-written jokes about fixing the Olympics but the Morris/Favreau and Jonah Hill interviews were both pretty interesting. Simmons still sucks as a host, but I hope the show lasts long enough to reach a level of general watchability.
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Aug 19, 2016 19:15
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Part of Gawker's problem is that at times they were extremely irresponsible when doing certain stories. They've done some good reporting but you have to have some restraint when certain issues come up. Like if I recall they had several opportunities to not end up in court over the sex tape and they refused.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Part of Gawker's problem is that at times they were extremely irresponsible when doing certain stories. They've done some good reporting but you have to have some restraint when certain issues come up. Like if I recall they had several opportunities to not end up in court over the sex tape and they refused. http://gawker.com/a-judge-told-us-to-take-down-our-hulk-hogan-sex-tape-po-481328088
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Aug 19, 2016 19:36
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Wiltsghost posted:Looks like Deadspin is picking a few people up. I don't know most of them but Sargent and Feinberg are terrible.
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Aug 19, 2016 21:08
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Thiel was already out as gay and outing someone as gay is lovely but not illegal If it was as simple as that, he would have sued and ruined them for it. But he couldn't, so we got the Hulk case.
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Hulk's financial issues after the divorce were well known so they almost certainly did what they did because he didn't have the resources to shove it up their rear end, then Thiel stepped in. Karma is a bitch. Feel bad for the good people there but Denton and Daulerio got every loving bit of what they deserved.
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ElwoodCuse posted:Thiel was already out as gay and outing someone as gay is lovely but not illegal Yeah, let's not pretend that Thiel was forced out of the closet by Gawker; that was never what he was upset about. He was known to be gay; he just didn't want anyone to make a big deal out of it because that might irritate his Saudi business partners. This was never about Peter Thiel's sexual orientation, it was about Peter Thiel's money.
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DJExile posted:Yeah I love Burneko and that story about his book deal getting sunk was hilarious. Burneko was absolutely right. White Suburban (Christian) Mom Facebook is horrible.
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Aug 20, 2016 05:12
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Aug 20, 2016 22:40
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Probably the stupidest people in this whole debacle are the ones going on and on about all the good journalism Gawker did, as if it were impossible for any other person or site to do that and not publish sex tapes and rape videos and refuse to take them down when asked by lawyers
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Aug 21, 2016 02:05
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FlamingLiberal posted:Part of Gawker's problem is that at times they were extremely irresponsible when doing certain stories. They got a lot better when Denton basically paid Daulerio a bunch of money to shut the gently caress up and go away, considering Daulerio was the root of most of Gawker's really irresponsible, overly salacious reporting. Then back in 2015, Tommy Craggs decided to run that story outing Conde Nast's CFO, and after Denton and the executive team said, "What the gently caress is wrong with you, that story's going down now," he threw the mother of all temper tantrums. That screed will never, ever, ever stop being amusing.
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Aug 21, 2016 02:36
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Yeah the Craggs meltdown was... almost surreal. He was a loon.
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Aug 21, 2016 02:45
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It deserves to be re-posted:quote:I want to give you some sense of what happened within Gawker Media on Friday, and what has happened since, as a means of explaining why I have to resign as executive editor.
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tinstaach posted:Probably the stupidest people in this whole debacle are the ones going on and on about all the good journalism Gawker did, as if it were impossible for any other person or site to do that and not publish sex tapes and rape videos and refuse to take them down when asked by lawyers You would think they had won numerous Pulitzers the way the media talked about their work.
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Was that the guy who they outed for no reason and then tried to say something to the effect of 'well, he's related to Tim Geithner or something which makes it OK'
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FlamingLiberal posted:Was that the guy who they outed for no reason and then tried to say something to the effect of 'well, he's related to Tim Geithner or something which makes it OK' Yeah other than the rape victim (which I believe was actually eventually taken down, albeit after AJ Daulerio bullshit) it's arguably the slimiest thing Gawker has ever done. Which is pretty impressive.
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The New York Times and Washington Post keep happily chugging along despite cheerleading for an illegal war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people but yeah gently caress Gawker the very bottom of the journalism barrel
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You can be pissed off about multiple things, it's not a limited resource. Also the sports forum would be a weird place to discuss the coverage of wars
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FlamingLiberal posted:Was that the guy who they outed for no reason and then tried to say something to the effect of 'well, he's related to Tim Geithner or something which makes it OK' Yep, Craggs and Max Read approved the pitch from a freelancer. Within hours of the story going up, Denton ordered its immediate takedown and the posting of an apology, which prompted Craggs' tantrum posted above.
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Of loving course it was Daulerio. Good on Real Sports to do a feature on this.
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Yeah, let's not pretend that Thiel was forced out of the closet by Gawker; that was never what he was upset about. He was known to be gay; he just didn't want anyone to make a big deal out of it because that might irritate his Saudi business partners. This really isn't true. He was out as far as 'people who knew him well/worked with him knew he was gay privately' that's kind of the exact opposite of 'out' as in 'he is publicly known to be gay by anyone who can access the internet' Who cares if he only wanted people not to know because of money. The great delight is that Gawker cavalierly violated someone's privacy because they felt his politics/personality/idiocy/whatever made it OK, and then later when they did the same thing again they got thrown in a huge dumpster for it. I'm a big believer in free speech, but people also have expectations of privacy which is a big part of having any freedom to begin with, and no matter how dogshit of a person Hulk Hogan is (really dogshit it turns out) loving someone in a private residence has that expectation. Hell, even if we believe Gawker and he knew it was being filmed and was planning to sell the tape himself someday, it doesn't change that. And as others have pointed out, they still had plenty of chances to "fix" their mistake and most likely end up not getting in any trouble at all. It's not as if Peter Thiel rode down from the heavens with his billions of dollars and crushed a lemonade stand. Gawker was a powerful entity with tons of money and lawyers themselves who should have known better. Ideally, all of the other lovely media organizations people compare them to will join them in the grave ASAP.
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Thiel is awful but Gawker did absolutely everything possible to screw themselves so I can't say I'm the least bit surprised about this outcome.
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Magary was on Steven Hyden's Celebration Rock podcast, ostensibly to talk about Guns N Roses and Metallica, but the first 18 minutes are mostly about the Gawker situation and he's surprisingly even keeled about it and has an interesting perspective.
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Yeah when Drew's not playing up the WOO YEAH I'M WACKY card he's pretty solid.
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DJExile posted:Yeah when Drew's not playing up the WOO YEAH I'M WACKY card he's pretty solid. This was my first time hearing his voice and like many writers, it's not at all what I heard in my head.
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Henchman of Santa posted:This was my first time hearing his voice and like many writers, it's not at all what I heard in my head. That he won an episode of Chopped is the strangest loving thing.
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In case you thought there was any room for self-reflection in this final week:quote:Indeed, Gawker’s record for accuracy is excellent. For a site as reckless as it is purported to be, there have been no Jayson Blairs, no conflict-of-interest or plagiarism scandals, no career-ending corrections. rest in piss
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