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Two Tone Shoes posted:I'm pretty sure this Wally actually just always existed. It's why he was wearing the Kid Flash costume when he came back. They're currently in the middle of an arc explaining why what is basically New 52 Wally was erased/forgotten before Barry brought him back. Huh. I bet basically everyone not reading or keeping up with Titans still thinks Wally made the leap from old continuity in that one-shot. The reality is a bit less impactful, then.
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Rhyno posted:Uh, it's been over for like two months? I think he's waiting for us to win a lasting peace.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Huh. I bet basically everyone not reading or keeping up with Titans still thinks Wally made the leap from old continuity in that one-shot. I know I did. Boo, I guess.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Huh. I bet basically everyone not reading or keeping up with Titans still thinks Wally made the leap from old continuity in that one-shot. So kadabra isn't a red herring/part of the nu52 bleeding together with pre-52. Cool. Man I'm losing interest in the books I'm reading fast.
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Wally still has memories of Pre-N52 life because he remembers being older and married to Linda Park even though he's said the memories are slowly fading. I'm pretty sure they've stated that Pre-N52 and N52 are the same universes just with 10 years of connections between characters removed in order to weaken them.
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X-O posted:Wally still has memories of Pre-N52 life because he remembers being older and married to Linda Park even though he's said the memories are slowly fading. This is what I thought and they were going to come at this eventually. If it turns out to be a trick and they just go oops forgot. I may fanboy rage.
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X-O posted:Wally still has memories of Pre-N52 life because he remembers being older and married to Linda Park even though he's said the memories are slowly fading. But Pre-N52 Superman being on the N52 Earth and being separate from NuSuperman muddied that.
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It turns out they all grew up in the same orphanage but forgot because they got powers and also TIME COMPRESSIO.N
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Detective No. 27 posted:But Pre-N52 Superman being on the N52 Earth and being separate from NuSuperman muddied that. Not really. Because Pre-N52 Superman was pulled from his planet before Flashpoint happened and was dropped back onto his planet after Flashpoint happened.
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X-O posted:Not really. Because Pre-N52 Superman was pulled from his planet before Flashpoint happened and was dropped back onto his planet after Flashpoint happened. But then you have things like Parallax Hal being a time-displaced Hal rather than the guy who vanished in Convergence. Although that could just be Venditti screwing the pooch.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:But then you have things like
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FilthyImp posted:Boners like that really, really make me appreciate Valiant comics' approach to storytelling. Everything about what they do makes me appreciate their approach to storytelling.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Huh. I bet basically everyone not reading or keeping up with Titans still thinks Wally made the leap from old continuity in that one-shot. Not even. That's what I figured from Rebirth when Barry remembered Wally as only Kid Flash and Wally was in the Kid Flash costume. If Wally was from the old continuity why would he be wearing a costume he hadn't worn in a decade? Answer is he's from this continuity where Barry never died and he never became The Flash. Teen Titans just further confirmed it since everyone there only remembers the Teen Titans and none of Wally as an adult. This is Wally after being affected by the missing ten years, but with the previous memories, more or less, since it's "All the same universe just hosed with" or whatever.
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I think I'm happier just not thinking about it too much.
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Roth posted:I think I'm happier just not thinking about it too much. The only real difference is Wally is 20 instead of 30 and no one can possibly remember his days after being a Teen Titan besides him and Superman, who amusingly still has years of memories of being a surrogate uncle and teammate with Wally. Superman probably remembers more about Wally than Wally, actually.
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Oh man, I'm now super hyped for when Wally and Clark meet! More hugs!
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Rhyno posted:Oh man, I'm now super hyped for when Wally and Clark meet! More hugs! Probably won't happen. Wally has no reason to think Clark is the one he knows and Clark vice versa. I guess he could maybe deduce it if he saw Wally running around (since Barry never died) but that's a stretch in several ways. I imagine the Rebirth plotline will be resolved before they ever have a reason to talk. There's just no reason for Wally to show up in JL or the Superman books, and even less reason for Superman to show up in Titans which is Wally's only book. It would be a great scene, though. Imagine Clark asking about his kids and Wally going "I had kids?"
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Here's where you're getting the Prez Election Special. http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/exclusive-catwoman-takes-on-gotham-citys-mayor-in-election-night-special  quote:CATWOMAN: ELECTION NIGHT #1
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Roth posted:I'm not sure if that means that Finch is a bad sign or not. I don't think I've read a comic by her before. Her Wonder Woman was an absolute travesty.
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Roth posted:I'm not sure if that means that Finch is a bad sign or not. I don't think I've read a comic by her before. She's best known for trashy dark'n'sexy fairy tale books and an inexplicable and terrible Wonder Woman run.
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WickedHate posted:She's best known for trashy dark'n'sexy fairy tale book I think she only wrote one of those before WW and was only known for it by people looking back when that was announced.
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Aug 21, 2016 23:38
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Teenage Fansub posted:I think she only wrote one of those before WW and was only known for it by people looking back when that was announced. That doesn't make the statement incorrect.
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The s in books is! Take it back! e: Okay. Guess she's gone back there. http://comicvine.gamespot.com/meredith-finch/4040-76871/issues-cover/ I'm sure at the time it was all "She's only had one previous credit and it was THIS!" Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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I mean even if you ignore the part where Wally talks about remembering being older and married to Linda Park it's also been confirmed in interviews that Wally is indeed the Pre-Flashpoint Wally. So he's definitely not just a N52 version of the character that's been missing. Right at the beginning of Rebirth he talks about how he's younger than everyone remembered him being and that he used to be Flash, not Kid Flash. They then spent several pages going over his Pre-Flashpoint history including Crisis and his time as Flash and the return of Barry. It's all laid out on the page. X-O fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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X-O posted:I mean even if you ignore the part where Wally talks about remembering being older and married to Linda Park it's also been confirmed in interviews that Wally is indeed the Pre-Flashpoint Wally. So he's definitely not just a N52 version of the character that's been missing. Right, the way he would talk with memories of the past continuity. From his perspective, when he had all the knowledge, he knows it's weird that he's way younger than he used to be. It's like when Barry remembered being married to Iris in Flashpoint, but still was the "Flashpoint" version of Barry who never became The Flash. The reason he's younger is he's basically the de-aged version of himself that everyone else is from the reboot. It's the same reason he's in the Kid Flash costume. If he was just plucked from the last continuity like Superman was he'd be wearing his Flash costume and be in his 30s. Wally got rebooted like everyone else, disappeared (apparently because of Kadabra who has done this poo poo before), then while disappeared remembered everything -- how we don't know, but presumably it's all the Speed Force since it's the end all be all plot device. I suppose the other answer was he didn't exist, and coming into the universe from the Speed Force made the entire universe course correct to account for him. But then Barry wouldn't have memories of raising him? I think the "he was new 52, rebooted Wally and now he remembers the old universe" fits way better.
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FilthyImp posted:Boners like that really, really make me appreciate Valiant comics' approach to storytelling. And yet Venditti is also one of the core writers in current Valiant with X-O Manowar. Though I guess the pooch-screwing could be chalked up to DC editorial stuff?
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I hope they don't drag out the Wally/Linda reunion for too long. Like so many others I grew up on Wally and his relationship with her was very important to the bulk of his time as the Flash. Hell the last few pages of Flash #100 still stands as one of my all time favorite moments in comics.
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It should stay like the Rebirth Special and she isn't affected by his magic touch. "I'm supposed to be with you? gently caress off creep." I think it'd be interesting for one thing to push against whole fixed legacy thing and treat it like an imposition on them. Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 22, 2016 |
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graybook posted:And yet Venditti is also one of the core writers in current Valiant with X-O Manowar. Both of his Valiant books are fantastic and he wrote one of the best events I've ever read from any company in Armor Hunters so I'm guessing if his DC work is lacking it's probably not just his fault.
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Matt Kindt also did mostly garbage at DC (I liked Frankenstein!) before being Mr. Valliant.
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Some writers just have trouble working in the framework of the Big 2. I can see Kindt absolutely being that kind of writer as his stuff I've read has a bit more depth and weirder bigger ideas than you'd normally see there. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of writer that would excel at writing a straight ahead superhero story.
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X-O posted:Both of his Valiant books are fantastic and he wrote one of the best events I've ever read from any company in Armor Hunters so I'm guessing if his DC work is lacking it's probably not just his fault. Yeah, X-O Manowar has been great, but I don't think I ever felt all that hot on his Green Lantern work.
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Teenage Fansub posted:It should stay like the Rebirth Special and she isn't affected by his magic touch. "I'm supposed to be with you? gently caress off creep." Boy that sure sounds depressing. That said he didn't touch her in Rebirth, but his magic touch wouldn't work on her. It only works on the Titans because their time together as Teen Titans wasn't erased, so there's something to restore. Linda's legit never met him in this continuity, so no memories.
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I've never liked Venditti's Green Lantern stuff, but I thought he did a great job wrapping up Demon Knights after Paul Cornell ended his run.
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Solicits are out http://www.newsarama.com/30736-dc-comics-full-november-2016-solicitations.html quote:RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS #4 
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Spoiler: no but this sets up the chance for bizarro to be redeemed and take revenge on black mask who wronged him
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Four issues in and the titular "outlaws" are still not actually a team, dang.
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The Batman Annual is in anthology format. That's pretty dope. Written by TOM KING, SCOTT SNYDER, PAUL DINI, STEVE ORLANDO and SCOTT WILSON Art by DAVID FINCH, RILEY ROSSMO, NEAL ADAMS and others e: The Shade is back as a Flash villain. I'll definitely give the graduating Snyder class New Talent Showcase a shot. That's neat. Doc Fate ends with art by Brendan McCarthy!! DC are doing their own Artist's Editions now.  quote:DEADMAN: KELLEY JONES GALLERY EDITION HC Teenage Fansub fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Aug 22, 2016 |
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Solicits are out It's ok, Red Hood has a pistol!
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