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joepinetree posted:There is a lot of first world elitism with regards to coverage for these olympics. Not that there aren't problems. There are. Many. Massive. Unfortunately, they are not what people complain about. The media talks non stop about empty stands, or booing, or minor inconveniences for tourists, or green but still safe water as disasters. When the reality is that the real issues are that in order to ensure security all the extra police have militarized and actually killed a bunch of people in poor areas, that the "legacy" will end up being a massive transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich, etc. But of course, if you open the door to talk about massive spending to support sports investments by billionaires and their companies, suddenly they wouldn't be able to stop at just talking about Rio. Yeah. People don't realize how much damage hosting the Olympics does to an area, especially one with a large amount of poor people who tend to suffer displacement, lost wages, and even up to actual murder just so rich countries can watch their athletes play games and make tons of money off them. We're not even getting into what happens to the stadiums and other facilities that are now useless after they leave. STAC Goat posted:Mark Furhman discussing why the cops weren't racist or corrupt was one thing. At this point, probably. They've primed their viewers to the point that they don't know anything unless they heard it on their network/blogs within the last month, so they are pushing it as far as possible. Reality is what RWM makes it and they're loving it. At least they were until Trump managed to give the people a much bigger, more hateful fantasy to latch onto. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Geostomp posted:Yeah. People don't realize how much damage hosting the Olympics does to an area, especially one with a large amount of poor people who tend to suffer displacement, lost wages, and even up to actual murder just so rich countries can watch their athletes play games and make tons of money off them. We're not even getting into what happens to the stadiums and other facilities that are now useless after they leave. Part of the problem is Brazil, when they got it, was a solid choice. No Olympics in South America prior, economy was looking up, 2nd world country about to make it 1st world... and then the bottom fell out. A city like Chicago would easily handle it, but would need a track and field stadium built, likely in the suburbs (Soldier Field is FIFA capable for the soccer finals but lacks the room for a track, and some nearby stadiums in other states would also be needed for soccer), along with a swimming stadium (unless Northwestern's is big enough) and an indoor cycle track.
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iospace posted:Part of the problem is Brazil, when they got it, was a solid choice. No Olympics in South America prior, economy was looking up, 2nd world country about to make it 1st world... and then the bottom fell out. That's not what 2nd world means.
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Chilichimp posted:That's not what 2nd world means. Well the 1st/2nd/3rd world thing is a pretty dumb classification leftover from a Cold War attempt to make Westerners feel superior.
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STAC Goat posted:Mark Furhman discussing why the cops weren't racist or corrupt was one thing. It's gas-lighting on a massive scale. Furhman's been on the circuit for a long time, and Oliver North had his own loving talk show for a bit, so their viewers are already primed to treat them as serious people. It also helps that they perceive taking these people seriously as a way to piss off liberals, and thirty years of cultivating that hatred means you can get them to do just about anything if they think it will annoy the political left. A few of them might have some doubt about something as blatant as Oliver North criticizing the White House over negotiating with Iran, or Mark Furhman talking about race relations and effective policing, but social pressure and aforementioned hatred will quash that pretty quick. Plus, these people are in pretty deep at this point, and trust these media outlets about as much as, perhaps more then, they trust their own memories. Right wing media has been working these people over for three decades or more, and it really shows. As for why, it's because money. Think of all the people out there now who trust nothing else but right-wing news media, and how much coin all those captive viewers can bring in. Other media outlets either have to give up on ever capturing that audience, or they have to start feeding the same hatreds and biases themselves, and become part of the RWM. Of course, the truly clueless try to do both, and that's how you wind up with CNN. These people are primed to accept anything now, provided it comes from the right sources and uses the right language and code words. They'll believe anything - thus, Donald Trump.
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Jurgan posted:Well the 1st/2nd/3rd world thing is a pretty dumb classification leftover from a Cold War attempt to make Westerners feel superior. I don't disagree, I'm just saying he's misusing it.
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Aliquid posted:https://www.facebook.com/AllenBWest/photos/a.424759776728.200909.22067606728/10154919722936729/?type=3&theater Well, its Allen West, so...
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"Gutfeld takes on the PC nonsense of safe spaces." Greg,  !
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Gutfeld's a tool but I still laugh when I see clips like this where he (a) implies Bolling is a Trump "water carrier", (b) trolls alt right conspiracy theorists, (c) calls out Fox News' previous lies about "skewed polls", and (d) finishes up with a shot at Roger Ailes as "the invisible hand" which forces everyone into uncomfortable laughter and an ordered commercial break. Its weird that Trump has made me respect Greg Gutfeld a little bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7SePcBIsEw
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STAC Goat posted:Gutfeld's a tool but I still laugh when I see clips like this where he (a) implies Bolling is a Trump "water carrier", (b) trolls alt right conspiracy theorists, (c) calls out Fox News' previous lies about "skewed polls", and (d) finishes up with a shot at Roger Ailes as "the invisible hand" which forces everyone into uncomfortable laughter and an ordered commercial break. I think maybe Ailes tried to grope Gutfields wife at the Christmas party or something.
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If you removed Gutfield from Fox and say dropped him at CNN? He'd probably be a Penn Jillette-style atheist/libertarian. That's the vibe I get. But wing nut welfare pays better than that poo poo, and he can ride that gravy train until it goes down.
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Aliquid posted:https://www.facebook.com/AllenBWest/photos/a.424759776728.200909.22067606728/10154919722936729/?type=3&theater no offense but what the gently caress is obama supposed to do. if he goes down their, they will say he did little and was standoffish or some poo poo. the governor and responders don't want Obama or Hillary or anyone who needs a ton of security there right now because the motorcades gently caress up normal traffic, let alone when roads are a mess from a natural disaster. all it would do is take away effort to the victims and survivors.
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farraday posted:I think maybe Ailes tried to grope Gutfields wife at the Christmas party or something. I mean, I assume the basic deal is that everyone at Fox News has long known Ailes is a creepy pervert and they're just divided between people who don't care because they think that's his right as a man and women should get over it or people who just grumble about it privately and are laughing now.
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Aliquid posted:https://www.facebook.com/AllenBWest/photos/a.424759776728.200909.22067606728/10154919722936729/?type=3&theater Google TRUMP 18 WHEELER!
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iospace posted:Part of the problem is Brazil, when they got it, was a solid choice. No Olympics in South America prior, economy was looking up, 2nd world country about to make it 1st world... and then the bottom fell out. A city like Chicago would easily handle it, but would need a track and field stadium built, likely in the suburbs (Soldier Field is FIFA capable for the soccer finals but lacks the room for a track, and some nearby stadiums in other states would also be needed for soccer), along with a swimming stadium (unless Northwestern's is big enough) and an indoor cycle track. There is a velodrome in Indianapolis and that plucky little city could use some more attention. It has experience hosting roving bands of violent 3rd world denizens as well.
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Shbobdb posted:It has experience hosting roving bands of violent 3rd world denizens as well.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:no offense but what the gently caress is obama supposed to do. if he goes down their, they will say he did little and was standoffish or some poo poo. the governor and responders don't want Obama or Hillary or anyone who needs a ton of security there right now because the motorcades gently caress up normal traffic, let alone when roads are a mess from a natural disaster. all it would do is take away effort to the victims and survivors. They should've gone down there and helped fix things with their own hands just like Donald did when went down there and gave people the Play-Doh that they desperately needed. 
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Trump's Supporters Breitbart: Burkini Ban: Police Have Already Punished Ten Muslim Women For Islamic Swimwear quote:Dressing like a tw@t kind of defeats the object of going to the beach
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Nonsense posted:Google TRUMP 18 WHEELER! I've seen a lot of that. As well-trained rubes, they ignore the actual contents of the van, any distribution of said useless contents, the payment for said contents, the fact that it inhibits actual efforts, and that Trump couldn't be bothered to do an entire minute of work and took off as soon as the photos ended. Kilroy posted:It definitely has a purpose but it isn't so they can kick back and cackle like maniacs. (They do that anyway.) This is what really depresses me about right wing media: they've convinced a generation that facts don't matter. The only things from proper superstars that have the appropriate amount of hatred for the Other may be accepted as "true". Trump is the candidate they've trained their viewers to latch onto. Worse, we have to pretend they have a point just to appease the ones who have been so deeply misled.
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STAC Goat posted:Gutfeld's a tool but I still laugh when I see clips like this where he (a) implies Bolling is a Trump "water carrier", (b) trolls alt right conspiracy theorists, (c) calls out Fox News' previous lies about "skewed polls", and (d) finishes up with a shot at Roger Ailes as "the invisible hand" which forces everyone into uncomfortable laughter and an ordered commercial break. Yeah, at the end of yesterday's show Bolling says "great new article on Fox Nation about Hillary Clinton's health!" and Gutfeld snuck in "boy I hope it isn't full of conspiracies!"
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Bolling is like the walking embodiment of Trump supporters and Fox News viewers. He just repeats every bit of nonsense and can't have an argument to defend it. I was watching Geraldo rip him to shreds on O'Reilly the other night and he just stayed silent for like 5 minutes and then mumbled something about "liberal media" (Geraldo!). I give Ailes/FNC credit for picking just the perfect "voice of the audience" to center the Five around. The Five is absolute garbage but there's a brilliance in its obvious construction. Bolling, the centered voice of the audience who will repeat RW talking points without question. To his right the conservative "voice of reason" and to his left the liberal "voice of reason." On the far right the loud, obnoxious, crude conservative who will trash the liberal with complete irreverance. To the far left... the same exact thing, except as a hot lady. You know... so its "fair and balanced." Something just broke with Trump because Bolling in the center has gotten really remarkably stupid and crazy, the two "voices of reason" are kind of saying a lot of the same things, and Gutfeld is just off the reservation and won't play ball.
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FuzzySkinner posted:If you removed Gutfield from Fox and say dropped him at CNN? He'd probably be a Penn Jillette-style atheist/libertarian. I seem to recall that Jon Stewart once did a segment on the Daily Show pointing out what a rolling shitshow The Five usually is. Guttfield and Perino laughed about it and kinda went "yeah, we kinda are. What's your point?" and Eric Bolling got really, legitimately mad about it. It shows you the kind of diversity of personalities they have over there. Guttfield is very much like Penn, I think, in that he's got some lovely beliefs, but he's not an rear end in a top hat about them like Bolling tends to be.
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Before Trump became a thing, though Gutfeld was angling hard for the scold/bully role at Fox, trying to place himself somewhere between O'Reilly and Hannity. His last three books: -The Joy of Hate: Basically "get your jollies mentally arguing with liberals and building your own thingsthatdidn'thappen.txt!" -How to be Right: Wingnut stroking in the best BillO manner, with a bit moe smug and a lot less codger. -Not Cool: Pure hipster-millenial bashing and how they are the New Menace that will finally end America. It's pure coincidence that now the movement took a sharp turn toward unsociable psychopathy rather than Old Boy group chuckles where he excels.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Trump's Supporters Removing confederate flags from federal buildings: a horrible abuse of our freedom of speech, Obama hates freedom, etc Banning burkinis: a good idea, gently caress muslims saying that people who think banning burkinis is a good idea are stupid: you don't like my freedom of speech, you fascist
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Yoshifan823 posted:Removing confederate flags from federal buildings: a horrible abuse of our freedom of speech, Obama hates freedom, etc I thought the RWM knew which way the wind was blowing on this one and concern trolled the poo poo out of it along the lines of THE RACIST DEMOCRATS PUT UP THAT FLAG AND THE INCLUSIVE REPUBLICANS TOOK IT DOWN, VOTE FOR US, MINORIITES
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STAC Goat posted:Gutfeld's a tool but I still laugh when I see clips like this where he (a) implies Bolling is a Trump "water carrier", (b) trolls alt right conspiracy theorists, (c) calls out Fox News' previous lies about "skewed polls", and (d) finishes up with a shot at Roger Ailes as "the invisible hand" which forces everyone into uncomfortable laughter and an ordered commercial break. It was on at something like 3 a.m. and seemed more libertarian influenced -- and yeah a lot of jokes deconstructing the format of T.V. panel shows. And he's a big fan of Mike Patton and Devin Townsend (weird musicians I both like). I could see his favorite movie being something like Crank 2: High Voltage. He'd have Gwar and The Melvins on the show. Just irreverent and kinda funky. But the main thing is I didn't think he was ill-natured. But I might groan and roll my eyes if I saw him on one of these afternoon shows. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Aug 21, 2016 |
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STAC Goat posted:Gutfeld's a tool but I still laugh when I see clips like this where he (a) implies Bolling is a Trump "water carrier", (b) trolls alt right conspiracy theorists, (c) calls out Fox News' previous lies about "skewed polls", and (d) finishes up with a shot at Roger Ailes as "the invisible hand" which forces everyone into uncomfortable laughter and an ordered commercial break. Gutfeld is a smug rear end in a top hat who gets off on loving with people and is too privileged and caught in his own bubble to know that there's a difference between loving with a guy by calling him a silly nickname and loving with a minority group by laughing at their issues or whatever. That said he's pretty much always had a level of charisma and honesty to him that makes him easily the most palatable of those types of right wing figures. Like, I could see hanging out with him being like hanging out with any other normal dude who happens to be kinda a loving idiot. I can see why he would be a fun guy to talk to because like already said I genuinely think he's just kinda a douchebag who likes loving with people rather than actually a hateful person, which at least helps you not want to punch him. He's been having a good time lately just openly mocking his peers who so easily switched from people like Cruz or Rubio to Trump purely because of the R next to his name. And yea, he seems to take a little bit of glee in the fact that it's so obvious in 2017 the Trump News Network is gonna be 'a thing' and all these sycophants sucking up to him on places like Fox are gonna be praising a dude trying to put them out of business. nine-gear crow posted:I seem to recall that Jon Stewart once did a segment on the Daily Show pointing out what a rolling shitshow The Five usually is. Guttfield and Perino laughed about it and kinda went "yeah, we kinda are. What's your point?" and Eric Bolling got really, legitimately mad about it. It shows you the kind of diversity of personalities they have over there. Guttfield is very much like Penn, I think, in that he's got some lovely beliefs, but he's not an rear end in a top hat about them like Bolling tends to be. Yea this was one of the things that kinda made me come around on him. Like...he knows what he's doing. He knows he's making garbage for the reactionary idiots of the world because his smug 'I'm so smart, you're an idiot, buy my book you stupid idiot' style is back in vogue for 'telling it like it is'. You can argue the morality in the cosmic sense when it comes to 'ironically' pushing this crap or not but at least at the end of the day the guy who's calling his fans idiots to their faces because it makes him laugh that they still buy his books probably can have a drink and a conversation with normal people. I can't imagine guys like Bolling ever being 'off'.
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I saw this yesterday: https://www.yahoo.com/style/fox-news-anchor-just-stood-205017816.html quote:"Many of you write, wanting me to tell you GOOD things about the gop chances this year. I wish I could do that. But I WILL NOT LIE TO YOU." - Dana Perino It's about FOX NEWS anchor Dana Perino refusing to tow the line about how the pools are fake, etc. but lost in the story, I felt, was the tacit admission that FOX is nothing more than a GOP cheerleading outfit. She says "I wish I could tell you otherwise or say otherwise (that the polls are wrong) but I can't and i won't lie to you." She's straight out telling us she's upset about the poll numbers and, without meaning to, exposing FOX's agenda.
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Dr. Faustus posted:I haven't read such casual denigration of arabs on a french beach since I read Camus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdbLqOXmJ04
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BiggerBoat posted:Laughing my rear end off at Republicans coming full circle on teleprompters and actually now promoting as a good thing. Unreal. It's still not as good as the turnaround from "you can disagree with the man but please, respect the office" tho.
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BiggerBoat posted:Laughing my rear end off at Republicans coming full circle on teleprompters and actually now promoting as a good thing. Unreal. I can't laugh anymore. These people are black holes, void of any principles, honesty or empathy. Trump surrogates almost seem like zombies to me, literally. And they want to control the world. It's just loving depressing.
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