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Call Me Charlie posted:I wish it had controller support. Steam controller is still on sale for the weekend.
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Mak0rz posted:I'm sad that the would-be successor to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, one of the funnest multiplayer experiences I ever had, turned out to be so weak. I'm glad I didn't buy Quake Wars. I mean, it's not Brink.
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CJacobs posted:I need some advice on level design. Here is the current project I'm working on (run it in Doom 2), or at least, the first three levels. I'm having trouble nailing down a good difficulty ramp- I'm wondering if the difficulty hike at level 3 is too much, too fast. The player gets the gatling gun at the end of level 2 and then level 3 opens with a "hey dummy, use the gatling gun you just got" section... but I played it on UV (I do most of my testing on Hurt Me Plenty) and I get owned pretty consistently. What I wanna know is, should I put in a level between 2 and 3 that has maybe one big arena room before throwing them into a bunch in the third level?  The were some things that bugged me a bit, but mainly because I'm OCD like that. These were mainly some zero height sectors where there probably should be void, and unpegged textures on the sides of the library staircase.Do you generally play Doom on HMP? If so, cool, but realize that what you find difficult will probably be a bit of a breeze for the average Doom player. As I have found out from DUMP3, even having your preferred difficulty be UV doesn't necessarily put you anywhere near on par with a bunch of the folks in the community. I had designed my map so that it sort of wrecked my poo poo unless I was being very careful, and Terminus still got through it pretty easily on his stream. Final note, is there a reason for your wad to be UDMF? I didn't see anything that would keep it from being vanilla-compatible. Not that I mind. I get weirded out by the simple interface everytime I poke around in a Doom format map.
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Thanks for checking it out. And yeah, that's what I was afraid of- I haven't been playing Doom for 20 years like some people have (I only picked it up for the first time like 2 months ago now!) so it's hard to judge my own skill vs the skill of the people who will be playing my campaigns. I'll go on a tweaking spree. And I'll probably make a pass through it adding more monsters etc on UV once it's all finished, just to make UV appropriately harder. As of right now there's no reason for it to be UDMF so to speak- I mainly use it because I like the massively expanded toolset it gives you. I'm sure I'll come up with some silly thing to do that UDMF is best at though.
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Aug 21, 2016 20:53
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Mak0rz posted:My friends once co-op played through the trilogy back in college. Whenever a map had a Warthog in it they would ride it to the end of the map. I mean the very end, like long after you were supposed to disembark to walk into a building full of small narrow corridors. I could be misremembering this but near the end of Halo 2 there's a building with a slope/staircase that spiraled down a huge rectangular blue shaft. At the bottom there's a small doorway they couldn't fit the jeep through. Rather than get out and walk through they backtracked all the way outside to get another hog so they can ram it at full speed through the door. It loving worked. That was from Halo 1- Silent Cartographer, midway through the game. The vehicles were only supposed to be used outdoors but you could shove them all the way to the level objective, several stories underground. Halo 2 and later added vehicle damage (all H1 vehicles were totally invincible and passed all damage on to their occupants) so this sort of fuckery got a lot harder.
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Aug 21, 2016 21:14
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haveblue posted:That was from Halo 1- Silent Cartographer, midway through the game. The vehicles were only supposed to be used outdoors but you could shove them all the way to the level objective, several stories underground. Ah yeah, that's it. I remember them complaining about vehicle damage after starting second game now.
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Aug 21, 2016 21:26
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Mak0rz posted:I'm sad that the would-be successor to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, one of the funnest multiplayer experiences I ever had, turned out to be so weak. I'm glad I didn't buy Quake Wars. Be glad you didn't buy BRINK either, which was claimed to be the REAL successor to ET, in the "oh hey guys try to not remember we just came off doing Quake Wars ok" vein.
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Aug 21, 2016 21:28
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I got brink at release on the 360 since we got a great goon group to play with on release, we even had one of Splash Damage's mappers (a goon aswell) in the group. We were all exited on release, a week later everyone traded his copy and we went back to play Black Ops.
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LogicalFallacy posted:Do you generally play Doom on HMP? If so, cool, but realize that what you find difficult will probably be a bit of a breeze for the average Doom player. As I have found out from DUMP3, even having your preferred difficulty be UV doesn't necessarily put you anywhere near on par with a bunch of the folks in the community. I had designed my map so that it sort of wrecked my poo poo unless I was being very careful, and Terminus still got through it pretty easily on his stream. A friend of mine, Techokami, asked me what Doom WADs I would recommend for somebody who'd beaten Doom 2, and wanted more with a similar difficulty curve... but beyond the the Way id Did WADs, I didn't have a very good answer - most of the well-regarded map sets are more akin to Plutonia in difficulty, if not harder still. Of course, then he revealed to me he hadn't played Plutonia. So I told him to play Plutonia. (I think he scaled back to TNT almost immediately, though. Admittedly, Plutonia's opening maps can be rather brutal.)
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Aug 21, 2016 22:10
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catlord posted:Do you get more health as you go along in Deus Ex? I just blew up that boat and at some point I became able to withstand most small arms fire. I only really noticed it on the boat after I took out a small squad with the Dragon's Tooth as they kept firing at me, stuff that even a couple areas ago would have killed me. I didn't even have regeneration on.
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Aug 21, 2016 22:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvuQEJWLqv4 I'm watching the E3 2001 DNF trailer again. It still looks good. 
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Aug 21, 2016 23:21
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ETPC posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvuQEJWLqv4 I still love that "Hey pal! What're you gonna do, save the world all by yourself?" line.
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Aug 21, 2016 23:40
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 I'm learning how to make outside areas! This is frightening and exciting new territory!
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Aug 22, 2016 03:24
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Godspeed, Jacobs.
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This is kind of interesting to see. Jacobs and I started making Doom maps about the same time, and have gone very different directions with it. He's spending (possibly) excessive amounts of time figuring out the aesthetic side of things, and I'm spending (definitely) excessive amounts of time figuring out the technical side of things. To wit, since I can't really show this off, I have an unfinished map with already almost a dozen scripts with around 150 lines of code (only slightly inflated by my obsessive formatting), a steadily growing MAPINFO file (also suffering from obsessive formatting), and a separate wad I'm using to figure out DECORATE so that I can shove my own custom weapons and enemies into the first one. The MAPINFO file actually shrunk after I looked at the blatant (and ultimately pointless) Quake homage I had made as a difficulty select level, and realized it was pointless and didn't even remotely fit the feel of the megawad I'm building, even after I had gone through and completely overhauled the look and design of it.
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Aug 22, 2016 05:57
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TerminusEst13 posted:Godspeed, Jacobs. I have determined that the sky in the Doom engine is an arcane piece of magic uncovered in a tomb many eons ago. Other than that, it's going well! LogicalFallacy posted:This is kind of interesting to see. Jacobs and I started making Doom maps about the same time, and have gone very different directions with it. He's spending (possibly) excessive amounts of time figuring out the aesthetic side of things, and I'm spending (definitely) excessive amounts of time figuring out the technical side of things. To wit, since I can't really show this off, I have an unfinished map with already almost a dozen scripts with around 150 lines of code (only slightly inflated by my obsessive formatting), a steadily growing MAPINFO file (also suffering from obsessive formatting), and a separate wad I'm using to figure out DECORATE so that I can shove my own custom weapons and enemies into the first one. I still haven't really dabbled in scripting outside of that time I made light switches that work. Someday I'll learn how to optimize my files so they're not huge! (well, huge for Doom map standards)
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Lork posted:You don't get more health but what might account for your experience is that at some point the basic enemies go from using pistols (which actually do damage) to assault rifles, which as mentioned previously are complete trash. Huh. Yeah, I guess you're right, it was about that time. I'd assumed that when people said the assault rifle was useless that they meant in your hands, not just in general. Weird. CJacobs posted:I have determined that the sky in the Doom engine is an arcane piece of magic uncovered in a tomb many eons ago. Other than that, it's going well! In what way? Don't you just set the sky to F_SKY and any sides you want to be sky to no textures? That's what I've been doing. Unless you mean changing it, I think that's handled in MAPINFO or something like that, I haven't messed around with it.
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Aug 22, 2016 07:38
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skasion posted:Corridor 7 maybe? It's a boring rear end wolfenclone Nah, I remember it being better looking than that. Thanks though. Since it was probably something from a demo disc I'll try to find a list of all the PC Gamer demos around that time.
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catlord posted:In what way? Don't you just set the sky to F_SKY and any sides you want to be sky to no textures? That's what I've been doing. Unless you mean changing it, I think that's handled in MAPINFO or something like that, I haven't messed around with it. Oh, I don't mean getting it to work is the arcane magic, the arcane magic is that it does work given what the Doom engine is.
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There's also some arcane magic involved in changing it, especially with some of the more nonstandard things that can be done with it. I've poked at some wads that use six images as sides of a cube for the sky, and my brain sort of melts when I look at them. And then I'm using BSKY_3 from the Realm667 Blood texture pack, which is a 1024x400 image that I had to double and place side by side with itself to make look right.
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Remember that guy who remade his Bioshock level in Doom? http://motherboard.vice.com/read/doom-autobiography?utm_source=mbtwitter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0UXCzcNXns
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Aug 22, 2016 10:08
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laserghost posted:Remember that guy who remade his Bioshock level in Doom? Seems like a strange experiment, and I'm not entirely sure how he's going to execute on it - my brain keeps jumping to walking simulators like Gone Home and the BUILD-powered Electric Highways, but that seems too simple - but given Arcadia Demade, WADBOT and WADSmoosh (to say nothing of his industry work) he's likely got the chops to accomplish something that's at the least a bit out of the ordinary.
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Aug 22, 2016 10:25
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I sketched out a map layout while extremely bored at work that I had a really complicated idea for, you could go through it and it would be picked clean of items, no monsters or anything would be around, you could find some weapons here and there but everything was dilapidated and in ruins, sometimes cutting off access to some (key) areas, then when you went towards the (fake) exit it would throw you back to the start, while moving floors and ceilings to recreate halls and platforms and teleport monsters and items into place and make it seem like you've jumped back in time, and the map begins proper. e: I'm pretty sure I played a map that did something almost like this honestly, there were a few switches you had to manipulate to ensure a platform would be in the right position when you went back/forth thru time.
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The Kins posted:You can play this trailer in-engine here: JPHOUSE.WAD. JP is a huge proponent of walking sims/wander games/video game tourism and worked with the people that went on to make Gone Home and Firewatch, so that's probably a reasonable assumption.
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CJacobs posted:I have determined that the sky in the Doom engine is an arcane piece of magic uncovered in a tomb many eons ago. Other than that, it's going well! Useful technical info about Doom skies: http://zdoom.org/wiki/Sky http://doomwiki.org/wiki/Sky_hack And speaking of sky wizardry, take a look at this. Requires ZDoom, doesn't work in GZDoom, but really worth a try. The way it's done is that nearly every surface is a sky transfer, using various dithered patterns as skies.
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Internet Friend posted:JP is a huge proponent of walking sims/wander games/video game tourism and worked with the people that went on to make Gone Home and Firewatch, so that's probably a reasonable assumption. But what do I know? I just make funny action mods. Speaking of, I updated my MetaDoom project.
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Mak0rz posted:I'm sad that the would-be successor to Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory, one of the funnest multiplayer experiences I ever had, turned out to be so weak. I'm glad I didn't buy Quake Wars. Ever since I first played Wolf ET like 13+ years ago I wanted to relive the glory days. I played Quake Wars, I played Brink, I played a ton of Dirty Bomb. None of them came close. The only solution I found was to reinstall ET. To my delight I found out the community is still very active, there are dozens of servers, many of them are usually full. It hasn't been replicated since and the community still sticks around because of it. In fact just because I was writing up this post I booted the game up and went to my favorite server. It has 30 people playing on it right now. It's 1PM on a Monday. It's frustrating when you first start the game because almost all of the servers run bots to inflate the player count, and there are some "full" servers populated only with bots. Once you go through and figure out which servers are "real" though you never have a problem finding a full game.
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Elliotw2 posted:I mean, it's not Brink. I bought Quake Wars and Brink  I still feel sour about it.
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Casimir Radon posted:The remakes I find myself most interested in are great premises with poor execution. Messiah
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Internet Friend posted:JP is a huge proponent of walking sims/wander games/video game tourism and worked with the people that went on to make Gone Home and Firewatch, so that's probably a reasonable assumption. I wouldn't discount him even if you aren't a fan of that stuff - I worked with him for a little while and found him to be a fascinating guy with a TON of great skills and ideas. I'm firmly convinced that if anyone can make something as bizarre as this work, it'll be him.
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Segmentation Fault posted:I still love that "Hey pal! What're you gonna do, save the world all by yourself?" line. Definitely one of the best trailers ever. They did use that line in the finished game at least, there are some nods to the trailer. Too bad Gus didn't make it into the game, good ol' Gus. Maybe Gus will be in the next one.
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There should be some sub-rosa 07b demo servers going up tonight if you're into it. Fingers crossed. http://www.crypticsea.com/subrosa/
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TerminusEst13 posted:Godspeed, Jacobs. Seeing how quickly CJacobs learned the ropes was what inspired me to start mapping as well. Tools like GZDoom Builder make it so easy. Since my DUMP3 submission I've been working on a little project that will have a dozen or so levels when finished. I want to learn how to make a really good WAD using only stock textures and no custom scripting before trying any advanced stuff.    
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All you new goons to Doom mapping really need to make maybe a 3 or 6 map miniwad 
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NAG posted:Seeing how quickly CJacobs learned the ropes was what inspired me to start mapping as well. Tools like GZDoom Builder make it so easy. Since my DUMP3 submission I've been working on a little project that will have a dozen or so levels when finished. I want to learn how to make a really good WAD using only stock textures and no custom scripting before trying any advanced stuff. I like your usage of floor textures to make pools of blood. Good attention to detail! Rupert Buttermilk posted:All you new goons to Doom mapping really need to make maybe a 3 or 6 map miniwad I'm workin' on it!
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Meanwhile, I'm attempting an Episode 1-esque map, constantly comparing its design and texturing to the official IWAD (E1M7 especially) to see what Romero did when making it. ...and I'm attempting to make it for WOOO 3. There's... a reason for that, I promise.
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Man i really need to try making another Doom level. Always end up making a few rooms, texturing and adding detail, then having no idea how to expand it
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Still working slowly on my attempt at a QWTF map. Somewhat stuck on what room themes and shapes to use next. Brushwork looks silly when viewed from the outside.  (The floating half-cylinder on the right is a template used to carve a ceiling.)
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http://puu.sh/qKCaM/cdbbf5d890.webm I'm making my wad have a running gag where the player occasionally encounters this platform with the BFG on it and for one reason or another it always zooms away before they can grab it and releases a gaggle of monsters  edit: Eventually I'll let them catch up to it though, I'm not that mean 
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CJacobs posted:I'm workin' on it! Nice! To be specific, I mean that all three of you should combine to make like... 2 levels each or something. Maybe 3 levels, so you get a full 9. But if you're also making your own, that's awesome too, and I'll definitely be playing it if you release it!
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