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hypnorotic posted:gonna get a sweet Thooorin video out this Can't wait, I bet it will have a reference to epicurus or umberto ecco or something.
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RealFoxy posted:*Teams that are bought in the LCS and dropped to Challenger almost all disband because they're losing money at that point and there's no way of regaining money turning profit. Teams that get relegated should disband it's roster. That's generally speaking what happens in top league soccer, when a team gets relegated it sells all of it's valuable players that it has and tries to rebuild with an entirely new roster. Teams that can't beat semi-retired pros or bottom flight competition don't really have any room to complain because they don't have a chance at success anyways. It's the same for teams that get relegated. To be a professional organization with training, coaching, sponsorship, funding, and to lose to a challenger squad is embarrassing. Riot could do something about sister teams in challenger competing to dismiss LCS teams of slots, but it's not clear to me that has the same downside, because they are actually organizations who are paying for high caliber challenger squads (which is what most people are complaining about in terms of no infrastructure for CS). Riot has been really militant against owners who have done shady poo poo behind their back. I loved Renegades as a team but both Badawi and Monte hosed up really badly and own all the fault for that. If that's scares you off as an investor then I don't know what to say, I guess if you planned on going into owning a team with plans for a whole lot of gross misconduct explicitly against the legal rules of the contracts you signed then yeah you are probably going to have a bad time. Riot has had to deal with a bunch of teams not paying their players or having grossly unfair contracts and they eat the PR flak when some nightmare gaming house story comes out so they have to enact their authority on curbing offenses whenever they find them or else you end up with stuff like people sleeping under stairwells getting gangrene. There are examples of new organizations having success in 2016 like Immortals and G2. Echo Fox, NRG, and Schalke 04 seemed to all have good intentions but not well constructed rosters. If you don't think you can build a competitive roster for the league you definitely should not buy a team, like I want to know whatever the guy who setup Phoenix1 was smoking before this split, yet somehow they maintained their slot.
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Libertine posted:What exactly is the problem with his comments? My major problem is the audacity of Merrill saying that Regi should pay his players more when Riot has also made a poo poo-ton off of the professional scene and still has joke prize pools that haven't changed since like season 2 to the point where boosting a challenger team to LCS has a higher payout than the team that wins Worlds. Mind you that they do this while squeezing out 3rd party tourneys outside of IEM as well. The stupidity of that poo poo is mindblowing.
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The fact that orgs can even have challenger teams and LCS teams is the stupidest loving thing I've ever seen
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Kashuno posted:The fact that orgs can even have challenger teams and LCS teams is the stupidest loving thing I've ever seen Has precedent in actual football. Real Madrid A and B team.
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HEY ALL MARC HERE *sniffing noises*
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Firebert posted:My major problem is the audacity of Merrill saying that Regi should pay his players more when Riot has also made a poo poo-ton off of the professional scene and still has joke prize pools that haven't changed since like season 2 to the point where boosting a challenger team to LCS has a higher payout than the team that wins Worlds. Mind you that they do this while squeezing out 3rd party tourneys outside of IEM as well. The stupidity of that poo poo is mindblowing. Riot subsidizes the lovely teams with salaries in lieu of higher prize pools for the top teams. I guess they could do it differently, or increase both. I don't know. Kashuno posted:The fact that orgs can even have challenger teams and LCS teams is the stupidest loving thing I've ever seen Like it's the same issue people are complaining about though. There's a finite number of eSports organizations that are successful and can afford the sunk costs of a challenger team failing. That's why pro-sister teams are repeatedly trying to do them over and over. Would you rather have Cloud 9 take the risk fielding a challenger team win or lose? Or would you rather have like back in the day when GGLA guy took out a $40k loan against his parents house and his team failed and he was just bankrupt. Like that's basically the alternate.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Has precedent in actual football. Real Madrid A and B team. I believe the limit is stricter. For example Bayern B can rise to the third-level league at most, not sure if it's the same in Spain. Of course in LoL we only have two levels so basically we get the current policy.
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Aug 23, 2016 00:01
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Libertine posted:What exactly is the problem with his comments? These true statements have nothing to do with the problems he discussed in the video. Riot is flat out straw manning. His main problems are 1) Timing of patches. Patches that drastically change the way pros play should not be dropped right before playoffs or worlds. The only thing that Riot changed is that they dropped the patch right before playoffs this year and not before worlds. For the players, it's just as bad. 2) The system should either be completely open or completely closed. Right now it's half open half closed and that's a problem for investors. Financially, the drastic difference in LCS vs challenger scene is absurd and needs to be addressed. He doesn't favor one way or another and feels either way would be an improvement. All Riot did in that statement is said "Whoops we did something bad last year with the patch timing, so this year we're going to do something that's different but equally bad."
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league of legends is wasted on this trash heap of a company
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i think in soccer you can have a b team but they cant play the promotion tournament and their spot (the right to play in the promotion tournament) is given to the next ranked team. i dont know anything about soccer i read this in a reddit comment.Nook posted:league of legends is wasted on this trash heap of a company
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Aug 23, 2016 00:43
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I don't like that when people argue on the internet they state complete conjecture that they have nothing but third-hand information about at best as absolute fact and that they do so in the most hysterical and hyperbolic manner. Basically what I'm saying is that all discussion on the internet should be forced to be in an Oxford debate format with referees.
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Teams in real sport B-leagues still have an income from sponsors, ticket sales, beer and hotdogs to cover expenses. Where are challenger teams supposed to scrounge up the income to pay players at all? (A challenger league where teams host games and sell tickets might be an actual solution.)
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Riot could probably solve its prize pool problem by raising money by implementing something like DOTA 2's compendium or raise viewership by implementing something like DOTA 2's drop system... but.... you know... 
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iSurrender posted:Teams in real sport B-leagues still have an income from sponsors, ticket sales, beer and hotdogs to cover expenses. Where are challenger teams supposed to scrounge up the income to pay players at all? (A challenger league where teams host games and sell tickets might be an actual solution.) Real sports also have TV deals (MLB) or a unified TV deal through the main organization that then splits equally throughout the rest of the league (NFL) League/eSports has a long way to go in terms of growing up as a respectable thing. First thing would be a player union/representation
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that is a loving pendragon level response holy gently caress lmao
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i swear to gently caress I just had this discussion in the main thread but literally all riot has to do is take like 25 or 50% of the money they get off of the Championship line of Skins and putting that into the prize pools. also that response is almost the same level of response he gave when the whole SpectateFaker debacle was going on, Tryndamere needs to be one of the people Riot's PR department does not allow access to his own social media accounts lmao e: sneaky on Tryndamere's response Luna Was Here fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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lmao if anyone compares this to the renegades thing with known piece of poo poo liar chris badawi versus team owners and riot both wanting more money to come from the other side but not wanting to be accountable for it
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Asema posted:Real sports also have TV deals (MLB) or a unified TV deal through the main organization that then splits equally throughout the rest of the league (NFL) yeah, this is a more complicated issue than people assume. "just get revenue sharing!" well i mean, there's neither a salary cap nor a salary floor and if you start giving teams a pool of cash from sponsors with no accountability for where it goes, it doesn't solve anything other than teams that struggle with sponsors get some more guaranteed cash. and of course we see that some people involved in riot are concerned the revenue coming from lcs teams is already not being reinvested into the lcs team to a large enough degree to make them happy (and by the way, we have actually no idea where this money is going) its not so easy as to just go "revenue sharing!" or "prize pools"
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more news came to light from that travis reginald interview, it was in the final five minutes. reginald tampered with g2, causing them to have ownership collusion with fnatic as well as causing hybrid to quit, on top of it coming out that he poisoned clgs coach edit wait i guess all european teams arent the same, hybrid quit the other fnatic sister team origen, my bad
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monte.txt https://twitter.com/MonteCristo/status/767898666614951936
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*searches for the tweets where monte talks about the player salary problems in LCK* hmmMmmm
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rabidsquid posted:*searches for the tweets where monte talks about the player salary problems in LCK* yes because casters need to be concerned with every single issue that they cannot have an impact on the outcome of, rather than being upset at getting dicked out of your team and then it comes out fan favorite lcs teams are doing the exact same poo poo yep SeemsGood 4Head
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he's only talking poo poo about this because they're not his employer, and not because he's some righteous bad rear end crusader of justice.
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well it would be pretty retarded if you openly trashed your employer in public? can't really expect him to do that
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second edit: actually this is not worth it
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rabidsquid posted:he's only talking poo poo about this because they're not his employer, and not because he's some righteous bad rear end crusader of justice. thats actually not what I said or made him out to be at all, but nice try
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edit: i forgot the last thing i said.
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rabidsquid posted:lmao if anyone compares this to the renegades thing with known piece of poo poo liar chris badawi versus team owners and riot both wanting more money to come from the other side but not wanting to be accountable for it Also: If Riot were fair and balanced than both FNatic and G2 would be completely dismantled and the owners would be banned from team ownership for life but well you know. Most of the things that lead to Monte's ban from ownership was things other teams did all the time. When Doublelift went from CLG to TSM it was under an unwritten contract for a while which is no different than what happened with TDK/Renegades, the big teams in LCS will do that all the time with each other out of trust and fill in contracts later when they need to show the paperwork. Monte HAD the paperwork, but Riot just refused to look at it because he had the AUDACITY to get a lawyer involved to make sure everything was running smoothly (After already getting dicked over once by Riot) RealFoxy fucked around with this message at 09:14 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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apparently the co-owner of G2 has some financial relationship with Fnatic https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4z4ogm/jens_hilger_coowner_of_g2_has_financial_ties_with/ any bets on how quickly does riot uses this to deflect from what regi brought up? I'm guessing it will be at 9:00 AM PST, give or take 15 minutes
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TeenageArchipelago posted:apparently the co-owner of G2 has some financial relationship with Fnatic The likely scenario is they'll try and have an "On-going investigation" that won't wrap up until after World's and the punishment probably won't be as harsh because of a "First time offense" and there was "No ill intent in their actions"
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i'm listening to monte's vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjFCS0WxJO4 holy poo poo it sounds like riot's casters get absolutely hosed, i really recommend listening to that bit at least e. vvv 15m or so i think? vvv Lovechop fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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People involved in the League community who are gigantic narcissistic shitbirds and who need to do one: - Montecristo - Thorin - Tryndamere - Phreak - Thorin - Everyone else involved in LoL esports not listed exactly 1 time so far on this list
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The caster conversation is around 13min Someone from Reddit made quick transcripts of the video: quote:There is no way that Riot knows that LCS teams are funneling the money they earn through League sponsorships into other esports. He went and asked every team if Riot ever asked for revenue sheets. None of the teams said so.
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any other talking point aside that caster poo poo is some real fucky poo poo.
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Luna Was Here posted:any other talking point aside that caster poo poo is some real fucky poo poo. I honesty don't think Riot stands to lose anything putting sponsors into the LCS because they already spend close to 20 minutes between games in a series filling dead air with pointless round table discussions and just straight dead-air while they play music
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RealFoxy posted:Just general riot hypocrisy. ex: Riot made 1.6 billion last year from League but still claims they run LCS at a loss. Like I'm sure on a technicality the e-sports division is run at a loss because the company doesn't have sponsors hardly ever and they only shill their own game but it's not like the company actively loses money, and the trade-off for seeing pro players using new skins probably offsets the "loss" they make.
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