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Automatic Slim posted:The taxpayers would love giving corporations their own lane on the highways. We could just use eminent domain to get them their own right of ways. I'm sure there are a lot of walking trails that could be repurposed to be dedicated lanes.
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Automatic Slim posted:The taxpayers would love giving corporations their own lane on the highways. He's talking about trains.
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Aug 20, 2016 07:14
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Which that joke works for taxpayers paid out the rear end to enrich railroad tycoons
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Aug 20, 2016 07:37
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MiddleOne posted:He's talking about trains. 
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Aug 20, 2016 11:52
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I do not have the cultural baggage necessary to understand your sarcasm 
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Harik posted:Human pilots come in real handy when your tail rotor shatters, severing all hydraulic control lines and you still manage to keep 2/3 of your passengers alive by flying with differential-throttle between your surviving two engines. Inventing your own improvised control system in the air because the impossible just happened isn't something computers are well known for being good at. NASA developed an automated self-repairing flight control system and propulsion controlled aircraft system in response to this specific incident. http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/about/Organizations/Technology/Facts/TF-2004-06-DFRC.html
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Harik posted:I thought the workload was more due to the pilots being required to secondguess the automated system (which is capable of landing on it's own?) I actually don't know. Non-awful weather landing shouldn't be a difficult problem to solve for cargo planes - and completely automated air cargo would take a lot of the human element out of the picture. http://youtu.be/ffnyUrd9wmg Edit: my wife and I love that plane crash series. They're true crime mysteries that always get solved with fascinating scientific detail. asdf32 fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Aug 20, 2016 |
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Xaris posted:hmmm maybe we could even give these drone trucks their own right of way lane so they could go faster and avoid traffic and random obstacles, and then maybe link a lot of drone trucks so you have 50 of them at once so you just need one truck for fuel for efficiency that fuels them all to avoid fuel logistics, and then each carrying cargo containers that you could use an automated crane to lift off once they arrive at a depot, and put onto smaller human trucks for last stop delivery... what a world that could be... wonder what they might call such a crazy automated drone truck caravan like that So what you're saying is...automated trains. You know who likes trains? Communists.
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Hey now, so do objectivists! Everyone likes trains.
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computer parts posted:Certainly not an issue for driverless trucks, I'm sure. In fact, for smaller commuter jets they don't actually bother with an autopilot that can handle cat IIIa/b landings. Instead its cheaper to divert if its below cat II minimums (200ft). The larger and newer regional jets that are equipped for cat III operations do not actually have an autoland that can do it, instead the pilots have a HUD and they must manually fly based on the HUD markings.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:So what you're saying is...automated trains. As a communist in name only, i can confirm. Trains are the poo poo. Also, sometime you should ask the automated truck people why we doing have fully automated unattended trains everywhere.
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tbh they have put a lot of work into dropping the needed crew of trains to two persons if positive train control goes well they can probably do full drone modes in signaled sections that aren't too remote
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Octatonic posted:Hey now, so do objectivists! Everyone likes trains. Personal trains for everyone
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Liquid Communism posted:Also, sometime you should ask the automated truck people why we doing have fully automated unattended trains everywhere. Because BUILD MORE FREEWAYS!
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lancemantis posted:tbh they have put a lot of work into dropping the needed crew of trains to two persons Half the point of trains (and the OTR trucking industry that replaced them for small goods) is that they go through the remote parts of this sprawling country to deliver goods to scattered outposts of civilization.
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Liquid Communism posted:Half the point of trains (and the OTR trucking industry that replaced them for small goods) is that they go through the remote parts of this sprawling country to deliver goods to scattered outposts of civilization. Are you sure about that? Your typical farm is exporting a lot more goods (by volume) than it is importing, so as far as money given to the railroad goes, most of the profit is made on getting grain, cattle, and whatnot to market, not on getting a sewing machine to Mrs. Farmer.
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It's kind of important to note that a self driving car's """"""""autopilot"""""""" should not be referred to in the same sense as a aircraft's autopilot. Only one of the two is tightly regulated by the FAA. The other is regulated by guys who beta test their control systems on drivers.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:It's kind of important to note that a self driving car's """"""""autopilot"""""""" should not be referred to in the same sense as a aircraft's autopilot. Only one of the two is tightly regulated by the FAA. The other is regulated by guys who beta test their control systems on drivers. The other major thing of course is that aircraft autopilots do not handle collision prevention between vehicles; instead something called a traffic collision avoidance system yells at the pilot to do something. (ie; climb, descend) Systems like the Tesla "autopilot" are actually trying to do something much more complicated than aviation autopilots.
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hobbesmaster posted:The other major thing of course is that aircraft autopilots do not handle collision prevention between vehicles; instead something called a traffic collision avoidance system yells at the pilot to do something. (ie; climb, descend)
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Gail Wynand posted:TCAS does have an automatic mode that kicks in if the pilot doesn't do anything, though. This is important. I think it was after that incident with that Swiss traffic control guy, it's been standard to let TCAS have priority. With that said, having transponders on all vehicles is desirable over LIDAR, but ultimately implausible.
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Gail Wynand posted:TCAS does have an automatic mode that kicks in if the pilot doesn't do anything, though. I'm only seeing that on the A380. It certainly is not mandated whereas TCAS is.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Only one of the two is tightly regulated by the FAA. The other is regulated by guys who beta test their control systems on drivers. Not just on drivers, but on the public at large. Self driving features, including autopilot, need to be regulated and should require type approval by NHTSA.
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Tesla just needs a slap for aggressively marketing driver assist features that have existed for safety reasons since at minimum the early 2000s as a self drive system
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blowfish posted:, which was, is, and forever will be superior to HTTP They also repeated the idea "lol we wanted something easy enough that English majors could use it!" twice in their look back, so gently caress them with a firehose.
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lancemantis posted:Tesla just needs a slap for aggressively marketing driver assist features that have existed for safety reasons since at minimum the early 2000s as a self drive system I was a passenger in a new VW Golf the other day and boy were the adaptive cruise control, rear view camera and proximity sensors everywhere around the car nice. Well, at least to someone driving a cheap car made in 2001.
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Wheany posted:I was a passenger in a new VW Golf the other day and boy were the adaptive cruise control, rear view camera and proximity sensors everywhere around the car nice. Well, at least to someone driving a cheap car made in 2001. Did VW try to tell the owner that these features meant the car had 'autopilot'?
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Gail Wynand posted:TCAS does have an automatic mode that kicks in if the pilot doesn't do anything, though. So does Tesla, however. Sometimes it just doesn't work perfectly.
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lancemantis posted:Did VW try to tell the owner that these features meant the car had 'autopilot'? http://fortune.com/2016/07/30/mercedes-pulls-self-driving-car-ad/ Note that neither of those groups have filed complaints against Tesla, to my knowledge. E: this one was in print: http://jalopnik.com/possible-mercedes-self-driven-advertisement-doesnt-feat-1783761678
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Platonicsolid posted:Because BUILD MORE FREEWAYS!
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FilthyImp posted:The Gopher retrospective posted a few pages ago was pretty funny, because the guys basically lost the race due to outdated standards and having the audacity to ask for $$$ pretty please to help them develop more features. To be fair, english majors are bad at computer  a good quote
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Atlanta's "Solution" is to build more toll lanes. gently caress you Atlanta. gently caress you.
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CommieGIR posted:Atlanta's "Solution" is to build more toll lanes. variable lane pricing works, it's just unpopular we can't possibly build more lanes to meet road demand, the better thing to do is disincentivize driving
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Popular Thug Drink posted:variable lane pricing works, it's just unpopular Really the best option would be to add a bunch of good mass transit that gets you around faster than driving. I'd love to take a train to work every day. But that's communism and this is America.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Really the best option would be to add a bunch of good mass transit that gets you around faster than driving. I'd love to take a train to work every day. automotive prefence is baked into american cities for a variety of reasons, from federal law and funding mechanisms to state control of regional transportation planning to local jurisdictional fragmentation and varying levels of local control of land use and transportation policy like "just build trains" is a totally good plan but, how do you actually accomplish that in america in any feasible way? nobody's figured that out yet
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Popular Thug Drink posted:automotive prefence is baked into american cities for a variety of reasons, from federal law and funding mechanisms to state control of regional transportation planning to local jurisdictional fragmentation and varying levels of local control of land use and transportation policy mandatory vaccinations to make sure enough people get autism to support more trains
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Popular Thug Drink posted:automotive prefence is baked into american cities for a variety of reasons, from federal law and funding mechanisms to state control of regional transportation planning to local jurisdictional fragmentation and varying levels of local control of land use and transportation policy That really isn't true; it started (that and actually good, functional tram and bus systems) but they were private. Car companies then bought them, ruined them, and claimed that mass transit just couldn't be done. Functional mass transit also pretty much requires government funding and central, governmental organization and we all know how Americans feel about that kind of thing. America is also a very harshly divided nation; there are hordes of white people who are rabidly opposed to using any mass transit because they'd have to share it with those people and gently caress no. Mah tax dollahs ain't gonna fund something that doesn't even benefit me because I won't use it (let's just ignore that a functional mass transit system reduces traffic congestion for those who do refuse to use it).
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That really isn't true; it started (that and actually good, functional tram and bus systems) but they were private. Car companies then bought them, ruined them, and claimed that mass transit just couldn't be done. Functional mass transit also pretty much requires government funding and central, governmental organization and we all know how Americans feel about that kind of thing. no no no first off, automotive preference is absolutely baked into american urban planning. for example, ITE recommended parking requirements are insanely unscientific and largely fudged as to be basically useless - shoup is a good read on this topic second there is no truth to the streetcar conspiracy. national city lines did purchase some streetcars and eliminate them but this is against the context of falling streetcar ridership, wider use of cars, and in many cases local caps on streetcar fares that crippled the systems - more streetcar lines died without NCL's involvement than with racism is absolutely a reason why voters reject funding mass transit but mass transit can happen anyway, without public referendum for securing funds to build the things - the bigger problem is that as a nation we've painted ourselves into a corner for preferencing the automotive mode over all others (try to ride a bike on roads even) and this is a massive structural disadvantage to making mass transit efficiently work in many parts of the us, especially ones which were built since 1950 which is like half the country i'd absolutely love to see better mass transit across america, but you can't just say "americans are racist" like that explains the hugely flawed urban framework which has been the predominant style for the last 75+ years
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XK posted:NASA developed an automated self-repairing flight control system and propulsion controlled aircraft system in response to this specific incident. I hadn't heard that before, but that's a great idea. They have both the thrust-vectoring and instant "these systems have failed, here's what you can still do" readouts.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:automotive prefence is baked into american cities for a variety of reasons, from federal law and funding mechanisms to state control of regional transportation planning to local jurisdictional fragmentation and varying levels of local control of land use and transportation policy China figured it out: 
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