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david carmichael posted:Actually you will find that the guy who knocked out Robbie Lawler and beat up Carlos condit is Nick diaz This is pretty compelling evidence
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Carlos is cool. Coolos
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I think a big thing that manyak was trying to articulate is that the best don't often compete against each other in mma. The average number of fights for a top 10 guy is less than three, and the amount of time any guy is in the top 10 is usually only a handful of years, and for most people it's like 2 max. So a lot of highly ranked fighters never actually beat any other highly ranked fighters. So even if you are currently ranked, for instance, number 4 in your division and have fought 23 times in the ufc, it's entirely possible that you have only fought three other guys in the top 15 and one of those guys doesn't actually fight in your weight class anymore, and another one of those guys beat you badly. But here you are, number 4 in the world based on the official rankings. Whereas in cycling I know there are a lot of different racing courts (clay, grass, turf, hard), and cyclists compete against one another in bike cycling tournaments dozens of times a year so a total ordering of overall performances can be created based on these repeated head to head matchups, which evens out over all different cycling courts even if one style of cycling is more well suited to a certain type of cycling court.
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Anyways when it comes to rankings in mma I agree mostly with fatherdogs former ranking criteria which are: - only fights in a weight class impact a ranking at that weight class -entire career at that weight class is considered, but last 2 years are weighted much more heavily I guess he doesn't use those anymore
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Aug 23, 2016 00:39
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Can we get back to talking about how Jon Jones does so much coke that he needs boner pills to help him cheat on his wife?
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david carmichael posted:Anyways when it comes to rankings in mma I agree mostly with fatherdogs former ranking criteria which are: I use those if somebody asks me "How do you rank the fighters in X division", but when people ask "Is this guy top 15" they usually mean "in the official rankings" rather than "In your personal rankings that you make in your head and can remember on command"
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Aug 23, 2016 00:50
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Michael Bisping isn't a top 15 fighter, discuss
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I think Nate jumped from like 9th to 4th in the UFC Official Lightweight Rankings based on beating a featherweight at middleweight.
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I think Nate ranked up so UFC can justify his pay. Think about it, who's going to pay a 15-ranked fighter millions of dollars?
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iLikeMidgets posted:I think Nate ranked up so UFC can justify his pay. Think about it, who's going to pay a 15-ranked fighter millions of dollars? lol
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Aug 23, 2016 01:08
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Guys if he's ranked number 8 for the rematch like he was after beating Johnson The Fans won't suffer us paying him millions
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iLikeMidgets posted:I think Nate ranked up so UFC can justify his pay. Think about it, who's going to pay a 15-ranked fighter millions of dollars? But the UFC doesn't determine the rankings, so the responsibility for that bit of stupidity lies soley with MMA journalism.
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Aug 23, 2016 01:15
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Remember when any of the lovely cans who were scheduled to fight Fedor would jump five spots in the rankings? That was good.
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freud mayweather posted:But the UFC doesn't determine the rankings, so the responsibility for that bit of stupidity lies soley with MMA journalism. Sorry. I don't watch fights or pay attention to anything. Carry on.
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If you go to the Official Ufc Rankings Page [tm] they have the list of panelists who vote on them, in a drop-down - http://www.ufc.com/rankings?id=
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Trast posted:a quick finish against Nick Diaz Here's your problem right here
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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NippleFloss posted:I think Nate jumped from like 9th to 4th in the UFC Official Lightweight Rankings based on beating a featherweight at middleweight. He jumped from unranked to 16th, to 9th or 8th, and then to 7th or lower. all after the Johnson fight and before the McGregor fight. I forget the exact rankings but it was funny
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Wasnt he like 8th and then he mysteriously became unranked after he told ufc to gently caress and suck because he wasnt fighting for 16/16 or whatever.
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sorry, i'm sure this has been asked before but what's the deal with nick diaz? his suspension was lifted, right? is the nsac just waiting for him to pay the giant fine before they let him return?
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ROFLburger posted:sorry, i'm sure this has been asked before but what's the deal with nick diaz? his suspension was lifted, right? is the nsac just waiting for him to pay the giant fine before they let him return? technically yes (he's still under suspension until the fine is paid) and yes
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Work Friend Keven posted:Wasnt he like 8th and then he mysteriously became unranked after he told ufc to gently caress and suck because he wasnt fighting for 16/16 or whatever. Yep
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david carmichael posted:Actually you will find that the guy who knocked out Robbie Lawler and beat up Carlos condit is Nick diaz Touche.
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Aug 23, 2016 02:38
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I was out of town. I assume everyone's reactions were cool and measured 
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The Sphinxster posted:I was out of town. I assume everyone's reactions were cool and measured I think it was cathartic and honestly not that bad.
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Novum posted:I think it was cathartic and honestly not that bad. I was sincerely hoping for a majority draw after the first two scores were read.
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The Sphinxster posted:I was sincerely hoping for a majority draw after the first two scores were read. Same here, but at least now the sport as we know it can move forward.
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Detroit_Dogg posted:Michael Bisping isn't a top 15 fighter, discuss he's the champion and the champions don't get a ranking number, they are the champion
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Aug 23, 2016 03:00
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USADA is investigating Nate's vape pen Hahahaha
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sportsgenius86 posted:USADA is investigating Nate's vape pen Hahahaha gently caress that.
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handsome only face posted:he's the champion for a few more days
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sportsgenius86 posted:USADA is investigating Nate's vape pen Hahahaha that's hosed
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manyak posted:They might not though. So Woodleys last fight to earn the title shot was a split decision over Kelvin Gastelum that easily couldve gone the other way, and as I said the judges are at times insanely bad and unqualified. Since he lost Gastelum had to take more fights and ended up losing to Magny, a fight which Woodley easily couldve lost too if he had to take it. Instead, Woodley waited and got the title shot (a pretty arbitrary decision by the UFC since other guys were getting good wins during his year off) and won whereas Gastelum is middle of the pack. So thats an example where two guys of roughly equal skill have drastically different career paths depending on the whims of bad judges and UFC matchmaking instead of merit theres 2 more pages after this, but I agree with it like it happened moments ago
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Are we arguing that Gastelum and Woodley are fighters of roughly equal skill based on their close fight while also saying that styles make fights and sometimes a worse fighter will beat a better fighter every time just based on how they match up against each other?
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Yeah, Gastelum is a much better fighter than Woodley
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Also, Kelvin was hosed either way promotionally because he missed weight by 9 pounds in that fight.
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Theres a secret true better fighter and theres no way to know who it is, even if fighters fight each other multiple times in 5 round fights. The only way to know for sure is to compare who they each fought 9 years ago in japan or on an Indian reservation or something.
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Except if the official UFC rankings say they're ranked #1. In that case, A is A.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj9-4yVm9dM&t=21s
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What I am saying is that Woodley seems to bring sadness to Goons so by that logic he'll knock out Nick in the first minute if they ever fight.
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If he continues to knock people put in the first, I don't think we would continue to dislike him.
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