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Tunicate posted:Alternatively, they should have been mostly weakling shinigami with like one captain-class, instead of all being massive power-creep heavy hitters. The ones that were formerly Captain had really broken abilities to boot. Shinji could reverse directions Rose could create sound based illusions Kensei could break all your bones with one punch Of course, in practice, 2 of those powers don't work that well when you explain them to your opponent, and the other power doesn't work all that well against people made up of ghost bones that can regenerate.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:19
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Shinji had a cool shikai. It never did anything but I liked the idea of it a bunch. What's everyone's favorite shikai or Hollow power or Quincy power anyways? By the end they got really repetitive and lovely but the earlier powers were pretty cool. I'm partial to Byakuya's. It's just neat and I like the concept of a billion tiny blades cutting you up, and I'm a sucker for scenes where Byakuya attacks and nothing seems to happen and then suddenly a dude falls with like a million cuts. It helps that all of Byakuya's abilities are natural extensions and applications of his ability, and that his bankai is just his shikai but bigger. Barragan is good too. Literally killed by his own power cause nothing else could really hurt him too much.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:25
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:What's everyone's favorite shikai or Hollow power or Quincy power anyways? By the end they got really repetitive and lovely but the earlier powers were pretty cool. Obviously Butterflizen is my spirit animal.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:30
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Monk and Shunsui's final attacks had some of the coolest presentations for Bleach but ultimately both their attacks did nothing more than to help Kubo fill pages. Which is a shame.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:32
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Gin's sniper sword, Hisagi's hand helicopter scythes, and Soi Fon's two hit kill are probably my favorites. I don't even remember what most of the quincies did, or the arrancar aside from pistol shrimp guy.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:34
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I liked shunsui's shikai, that was cool don't remember a lot of them tho and none of the hollow/quincy powers were that interesting really
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Aug 23, 2016 06:39
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Shunsui's is still my favorite, both in terms of design and the idea behind the power. His bankai was cool too, shame it got no-selled because we had to have another character win with a perfect counter ability pulled out of their rear end.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:39
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despite how byakuya's bankai was supposed to be tiny blades that merely looked like petals, every time he used it it was effectively just sharp flower petals. i was always partial to ikkaku's bankai. it started out looking cool and then looked even cooler as the fight went on. uh, too bad about the "bankais can't be repaired" thing, though.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:40
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I liked the vizard girl who's power was reading hentai.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:40
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chumbler posted:Gin's sniper sword, Hisagi's hand helicopter scythes, and Soi Fon's two hit kill are probably my favorites. Balance Things Explode Everything Heat Finger Iron Body Jail Non-Qunicies Love Slave Make Miracles Come True Overkill and Gain Experience Points Power = Strength Ask Questions Roar Loudly Call Thunder UNDERBELLY Become Yourself or Become Yourself Zombie Creation And then I gave up cause I didn't want to explain what Compulsory and Death Dealing did.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:40
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Sydin posted:Shunsui's is still my favorite, both in terms of design and the idea behind the power. His bankai was cool too, shame it got no-selled because we had to have another character win with a perfect counter ability pulled out of their rear end. Yeah, it was one of the few times where I think Kubo drawing out a thing was cool, cause you get to see everyone react to him releasing it, and everyone's like, woah, this is dangerous. And then it kills no one.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:41
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kinda like yamamoto's bankai looked cool, hyped up forever, does absolutely nothing of value
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Aug 23, 2016 06:42
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Serious Frolicking posted:despite how byakuya's bankai was supposed to be tiny blades that merely looked like petals, every time he used it it was effectively just sharp flower petals. Wait, they're not supposed to be sharp flower petals? gently caress. I never realized. Ikkaku's bankai looks really cool, especially since Ikkaku's shirtless when he does it and it all looks so goddamn awesome. Visually, I agree that it's great.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:43
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I dropped Bleach long before more quincies started showing up but before I called it quits I remember thinking Shunsui's ability to force people to play by his rules was cool. I've never been a fan of Soi Fon's bee sting thing. I feel like an assassin could've come up with a way better power than that. I also laughed when her ultimate weapon turned out to be a nuke.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:43
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Bad Seafood posted:I dropped Bleach long before more quincies started showing up but before I called it quits I remember thinking Shunsui's ability to force people to play by his rules was cool. I get that it's a Two-Hit Kill -> One-Hit Kill thing but yeah everyone was making fun of it. Doesn't really help that Soi Fon's other move is punching really loudly with visible energy powers.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:45
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Bad Seafood posted:I dropped Bleach long before more quincies started showing up but before I called it quits I remember thinking Shunsui's ability to force people to play by his rules was cool. yea shunsui's shikai was kinda like a nen ability in that it had a hard set of rules (per game at least) and it was dangerous for both sides I really liked the idea of the game he played with stark, even if stark himself was lame as hell. the way it worked with dealing more damage depending on how much of your clothes/their clothes were of the color you call out and how the only way to deal maximum damage was to take a big risk also soi fon's ability was lame since it only works on people weaker than her. what's the point?
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Aug 23, 2016 06:46
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Bad Seafood posted:I dropped Bleach long before more quincies started showing up but before I called it quits I remember thinking Shunsui's ability to force people to play by his rules was cool. I dropped bleach like right when ywatch killed the soul king, not because I didn't like the series, but because I lost my internet connection. Then I just read the last 3 chapters and figured that's probably good enough.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:46
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Kubo really hates backgrounds, doesn't he. Really reminds me of that bit in Gekkan Shojou Nozaki where Nozaki's talking about all the tricks he pulled to not have to draw any backgrounds. Granted, it works sometimes, as in the case of Shunsui or the Monk's bankais. But most of the time, eh. I'm surprised that Kubo had YWACH plant future traps cause that seems outlandish for a man who hates drawing even the floor. 
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Aug 23, 2016 06:48
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Wait, they're not supposed to be sharp flower petals? nah, they are supposed to be countless blades, too small to be seen. they look like flower petals because they refract the light. that doesn't really make sense, but it sure sounds cool.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:51
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Bad Seafood posted:I've never been a fan of Soi Fon's bee sting thing. I feel like an assassin could've come up with a way better power than that. I also laughed when her ultimate weapon turned out to be a nuke. Soi Fon's sword was kind of a fail all around. Her shikai was death in two blows, except not really because things survived it all the time. Meanwhile her bankai was supposed to be death in one blow (via nuke) except even when it was finally revealed that didn't work either, and even after two shots the fat vizard mage guy had to step in and get the kill.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:52
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hosed up world when a Two-Hit Kill is more successful than a One-Hit Kill.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:53
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Manatee Cannon posted:yea shunsui's shikai was kinda like a nen ability in that it had a hard set of rules (per game at least) and it was dangerous for both sides In before the obligatory "Of course the mod likes the guy whose power is making other people follow his rules." Manatee Cannon posted:also soi fon's ability was lame since it only works on people weaker than her. what's the point?
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Aug 23, 2016 06:53
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in theory the ability to ensure that a ghost dies 100% sounds really useful. they can normally survive just about anything, you know? but unfortunately, soi fon wasn't allowed to kill anyone because that would thin out the enormous cast of characters.
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Aug 23, 2016 06:55
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Isn't the joke that it's a stinger missile?
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Aug 23, 2016 06:56
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it is probably an incomprehensible japanese pun that doesn't translate well
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Aug 23, 2016 06:56
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Bad Seafood posted:Yeah, that's basically why I liked it. Probably just the Jojo/Hunter fan in me, but powers that have rules are way more interesting to me than just "I control fire" or what have you, so the ability to just make up rules on the spot that everybody (including the user) has to follow or die was pretty sweet. Not really the exact same spot, I think? As long as the second stab connects with the first.  
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Aug 23, 2016 06:58
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soi fon has the sword equivalent of chiaotzu detonating himself on nappa's back "my power is to kill you (unless you're stronger than me, in which case my power is to lose the fight)"
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Aug 23, 2016 06:59
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Manatee Cannon posted:soi fon has the sword equivalent of chiaotzu detonating himself on nappa's back Tbf apparently that's the way all powers in Bleach work.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:01
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Not really the exact same spot, I think? As long as the second stab connects with the first. I still think she'd have been better served by an ability that maybe required a bit of setup but was basically a one-hit kill if it connected. In my own mind at least, an assassin isn't somebody who holds out for prolonged fights. You wanna get in there and get out ASAP, quick and clean. Dancing around your opponent, putting on a show, is for professional wrestlers. Bad Seafood fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 07:03
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it's more obvious and lame for soi fon tho because of the way her shikai works "I have to hit you twice in the same spot. if you're better than me tho, I can't do that and I've given up all the range of my sword for some lame little half gauntlet. and if you're stronger than me, it doesn't matter what I do because I can't hurt you in the first place" she can only use it if she was gonna win the fight if she didn't use it
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Aug 23, 2016 07:04
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Bad Seafood posted:Huh. That's a little better, though not by much. I mean, in the hands of a good author, it could have worked as a mindgame attack. If you're hit once, then you have to be careful not to be hit by the same attack again. So in a way, it's like a One-Hit Kill with preparation, the preparation being a hit. It's just logical.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:06
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See, in a vacuum, that explanation makes a lot more sense - stab a dude in the chest, now he's gotta be wary of you attacking from the front, so he puts up his guard, except now his back is his vulnerable, and there's a finite limit to how many hits he can "Tank" before everything becomes a target - but I still feel like if you're an assassin who's actually good at their job, the actual part of your attack that involves a physical confrontation with your opponent should be over extremely quickly. It's not an ability suited to her character or profession, though I agree a better writer might've made it work for the above reasons.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:14
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It's two blows to the same spot because that way you can milk drama out of it. Drama is pretty much everything to Kubo, don't think about it.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:17
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If you're an assassin one stab should be enough to kill a dude anyways. Unless it's a diagonal stab. I don't think those exist.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:18
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Bad Seafood posted:See, in a vacuum, that explanation makes a lot more sense - stab a dude in the chest, now he's gotta be wary of you attacking from the front, so he puts up his guard, except now his back is his vulnerable, and there's a finite limit to how many hits he can "Tank" before everything becomes a target - but I still feel like if you're an assassin who's actually good at their job, the actual part of your attack that involves a physical confrontation with your opponent should be over extremely quickly. It kinda reminds me of Hisoka's thing with his gum, though obviously Hisoka has way more methods of applying his bungee gum. Also because HxH combat is way more strategic than diagonal slash -> null damage -> recover damage -> final attack. Also hosed up that only the bad guys have regeneration, Ichigo's hollow form aside.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:19
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I mean, in the hands of a good author, it could have worked as a mindgame attack. That's kind of how her fight with Yoruichi was until Yoruichi showed why she's still her boss.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:21
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Manatee Cannon posted:it's more obvious and lame for soi fon tho because of the way her shikai works I mean i think they have to be like magnitudes stronger than her, but 1hit kill powers almost never work in anime on something that isn't trash
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Aug 23, 2016 07:22
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Soi Fon's bee sting would've been better suited to Kenpachi, honestly. I know his whole deal is RAW STRENGTH but deliberately playing around with your opponent seems more his style.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:23
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chumbler posted:That's kind of how her fight with Yoruichi was until Yoruichi showed why she's still her boss. Oh yeah, Yoruichi actually has like 3 marks on her by the time she decides to end the fight. 
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Aug 23, 2016 07:25
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during their fight, soi fon's ability gave yoruichi lots of visually striking tattoos with just enough danger to make her a believable threat. but then after that fight soi fon was still hanging around, completely pointless. she wasn't developed in any way, but kubo still had to explain why her dumb power that was only ever meant to provide a cool visual accompanied by a dramatic speech in one scene couldn't just solve everything.
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Aug 23, 2016 07:29
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