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Has anyone tried a Rock deck with grim flayer and new Liliana? They seem like good additions in those colors. The answer is probably no, like usual, but maybe one day straight BG will be good enough. I really want to cast Phyrexian Obliterator one day.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Has anyone tried a Rock deck with grim flayer and new Liliana? They seem like good additions in those colors. The answer is probably no, like usual, but maybe one day straight BG will be good enough. I really want to cast Phyrexian Obliterator one day. Would new lilly really be better than old lilly in a rock shell? Obliterator seems like the only card you really get going GB over Jund, and you lose a lot of awesome cards like Kolahan's Command and a great man-land.
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Aug 23, 2016 00:36
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Sigma-X posted:Would new lilly really be better than old lilly in a rock shell? Oh I know. There's always something to be said for having near perfect mana all the time like you'll get in a dedicated 2 color deck as well. I imagine you'd play both Lilianas but the new one and flayer work really well together. I really want to try the new Liliana more in modern, being able to recurr value creatures and having extra card advantage in black seems great. Also curious if Distended Mindbender could get used in modern. Saccing a finks or something similar (mono black with geralfs messenger maybe) to get a 5/5 and double duress on turn 4 seems good, don't know if it's worth the effort in modern though.
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Aug 23, 2016 00:53
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Geralf's Messenger is actually a good gB pickup too that you don't get in Jund. I think the rock deck will exist when there's enough heavy B or heavy G cards that cutting the third color makes more sense. I don't think Mindbender is very good because it's only powerful on curve, it sucks as a top deck and in this kind of rock deck you want a lot of ability to grind or earn extra cards.
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Aug 23, 2016 01:12
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so does anyone in here watch Rich Shay stream, or the VSL? I'm putting together Landstill independently, but he's been doing well with a version that has New Emrakul in it. I'm curious if anyone has seen how those games play out, and if that card is better than a consecrated sphinx or any of the other big blue finishers. it seems really bad without having watched the games, and really hard to cast without an academy+requisite artifact count. i guess with a standstill out and both players just kind of staring at each other you might build up to enough mana to cast the thing
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Aug 23, 2016 01:14
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Cast triggers are insane in vintage. Especially cast triggers that also take their next turn.
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Aug 23, 2016 01:15
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oh that's right the mindslaver is an on-cast trigger. lol how much trouble does he have casting the thing?
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Aug 23, 2016 01:27
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Sigma-X posted:Geralf's Messenger is actually a good gB pickup too that you don't get in Jund. Living the dream of T3 Messenger, T4 attack for 3, sac for Mindbender sounds like the best thing ever so I want to make that happen now.
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Aug 23, 2016 01:38
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GoutPatrol posted:Living the dream of T3 Messenger, T4 attack for 3, sac for Mindbender sounds like the best thing ever so I want to make that happen now. The dream is turn 3 new Liliana, turn 4 siege rhino, turn 5 swing 4, sac rhino to mindbender,- 2 Liliana get back rhino. I can dream.
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Aug 23, 2016 01:44
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AgentSythe posted:so does anyone in here watch Rich Shay stream, or the VSL? I'm putting together Landstill independently, but he's been doing well with a version that has New Emrakul in it. I'm curious if anyone has seen how those games play out, and if that card is better than a consecrated sphinx or any of the other big blue finishers. it seems really bad without having watched the games, and really hard to cast without an academy+requisite artifact count.
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Aug 23, 2016 03:31
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Fingers McLongDong posted:The dream is turn 3 new Liliana, turn 4 siege rhino, turn 5 swing 4, sac rhino to mindbender,- 2 Liliana get back rhino. I can dream. Actually it's t2 matter reshaper -> t3 mindbender
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Aug 23, 2016 03:38
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Ready to buy into legacy and am 100% torn between Infect and DnT. Death and Taxes seems super fun, but I'm not certain on where its headed with CN2; it seems like it could really shift upon release, and DnT lands could skyrocket, too Infect; I own all of Modern Infect so this is relatively easy to buy into. I like how Legacy Infect plays a LOT more than Modern in playtesting. I'm very much about competitive decks, and I liked both of these in testing, and both have a similar buy-in with my inventory. Help me goons.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:03
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Walked posted:Ready to buy into legacy and am 100% torn between Infect and DnT. Berserk just tanked to under 30 bucks. Legacy infect.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:33
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I don't have a stock Legacy Infect list memorized but I feel like it has to be fairly similar to Modern Infect, so if you have the Modern version built the legwork to get the Legacy components isn't too crazy. Maybe just Trops, FoW, Berserk, Invigorate? Does Legacy Infect still run Blazing Shoal with Progenitus or is that too cute? D&T does seem sweet though, that's a deck I want to build someday but that mana base  Errant Gin Monks posted:Berserk just tanked to under 30 bucks. Also this.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:43
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Thanks guys; thats the way I was leaning. I tend to shy away from Modern Infect because its lacking in interaction compared to Jund; so while it's effective, it's not the most engaging. Legacy infect just about entirely fixes this.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:45
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Walked posted:Thanks guys; thats the way I was leaning. I tend to shy away from Modern Infect because its lacking in interaction compared to Jund; so while it's effective, it's not the most engaging. Legacy infect just about entirely fixes this. Definitely infect because blue lands and forces are the most important cards to own.
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Aug 23, 2016 14:58
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L0cke17 posted:Definitely infect because blue lands and forces are the most important cards to own. Yeah but the only cards in Legacy infect that are played in anything else are Forces and Trops...
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Aug 23, 2016 15:02
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mcmagic posted:Yeah but the only cards in Legacy infect that are played in anything else are Forces and Trops... Dazes and cantrips too. It's got way more crossover with other decks than D&t which only has wasteland, stoneforge, and containment priest.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:05
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L0cke17 posted:Dazes and cantrips too. It's got way more crossover with other decks than D&t which only has wasteland, stoneforge, and containment priest. Yeah but Dazes and Brainstorms are like a quarter each. I'm talking cards you actually have to spend money on.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:06
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mcmagic posted:Yeah but the only cards in Legacy infect that are played in anything else are Forces and Trops... Those were also just about the only cards I was lacking that cost any significant cash.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:06
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mcmagic posted:Yeah but Dazes and Brainstorms are like a quarter each. I'm talking cards you actually have to spend money on. Those are the only vcards that cost anything though. So it's okay.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:16
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Death's Shadow went from hot the first few events I played it to ice cold. This of course means I'm going to be reactionary and audible to Dredge at the last minute for Indy.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:33
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Snacksmaniac posted:Death's Shadow went from hot the first few events I played it to ice cold. This of course means I'm going to be reactionary and audible to Dredge at the last minute for Indy. I'm expecting GP Indy to be a huge breakout weekend for Dredge which is why I'm packing my Jund sideboard with all the hate I can.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:56
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I've been messing with a dumb (modern) BUG Elves list that's heavy on 4 drops and uses Eldritch Evolution instead of CoCo because I'm sick of casting CoCo. Master Biomancer feels like a card that ought to be playable somewhere in modern; of course it's very weak to Path, but it survives bolt, and in an elf shell it's not hard to get it out of dismember range. I also finished legacy and modern infect yesterday, I guess I'm a green player at heart, drat it.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:58
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ThePeavstenator posted:I'm expecting GP Indy to be a huge breakout weekend for Dredge which is why I'm packing my Jund sideboard with all the hate I can. That means you will play against dredge zero times.
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Aug 23, 2016 16:15
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mcmagic posted:That means you will play against dredge zero times. That's okay thou, plenty of modern decks use their graveyards.
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Aug 23, 2016 16:20
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mcmagic posted:That means you will play against dredge zero times. Time to gear up for the Jund mirror
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Aug 23, 2016 16:41
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Death Bot posted:Time to gear up for the Jund mirror lol this is the other thing I'm worried about e: Basically sideboarding for: Jund Mirror Grindy control (Nahiri/UWx/Grixis) Dredge Suicide Zoo Affinity
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Aug 23, 2016 16:48
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ThePeavstenator posted:lol this is the other thing I'm worried about If you ask me, Abzan is better positioned right now than Jund is.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:12
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mcmagic posted:If you ask me, Abzan is better positioned right now than Jund is. I think there's something to be said for Bolt over Path. But I agree if Suicide Zoo starts to fade from the meta.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:24
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If I can track down the Gorges and some commons, the audible is complete. 
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Aug 23, 2016 17:27
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ThePeavstenator posted:I think there's something to be said for Bolt over Path. But I agree if Suicide Zoo starts to fade from the meta. Path is roughly 10 billion times better vs Suicide Zoo than Bolt is.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:28
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Don't play Infect. It's not very good and I don't think I've ever played an interesting game with it. Death and Taxes is a lot of fun and by the looks of things it's probably going to get a lot better.
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Aug 23, 2016 17:31
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Don't listen to this guy re: infect. Berserk is cool and my friend!
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Aug 23, 2016 17:35
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Walked posted:Thanks guys; thats the way I was leaning. I tend to shy away from Modern Infect because its lacking in interaction compared to Jund; so while it's effective, it's not the most engaging. Legacy infect just about entirely fixes this. WHOA NOW you can't go using words like "interaction!" Who knows what that even means?! It's not like legacy infect is much more interactive, it just has Force and Daze to protect its guys instead of Apostle's Blessing.
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I've played against legacy infect a lot and I think it will be fun to pilot. I'm fine playing the much more goldfishy modern deck, too; if I wanted to interact with my opponent I wouldn't be playing modern. Your warnings came too late, anyway -- my $700 package from TCG is already on the way :-P
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Aug 23, 2016 17:56
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Oh I know. There's always something to be said for having near perfect mana all the time like you'll get in a dedicated 2 color deck as well. I imagine you'd play both Lilianas but the new one and flayer work really well together. I really want to try the new Liliana more in modern, being able to recurr value creatures and having extra card advantage in black seems great. It saw play in a company deck sideboard on camera at the syracuse open. Absolutely destroyed the tron player he was facing. https://www.twitch.tv/scglive/v/83380672?t=8h13m55s
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speaking of interaction, what's everyone's feeling on the way-too-many-cards Elfball Lands lists floating around? From some minor testing and one event, I think it's probably overall* not as good as either 60-card NO elves or Chaos Elves, but it's a hell of a lot of fun to pilot, and you have so many silver bullets that you at least feel like you have a chance at coming back from board states that would just be scoop in the normal elves decks. I'll probably keep messing with this for the foreseeable future. It's also more consistent than you'd expect an 85 card pile to be, because of the sort of unreasonable number of tutors you have access to (in an Enchantress match I got Ruric Thar out in all 3 games, generally by turn 3). I think I'm going to throw an Animar into this list, as long as I'm trying to play Commander with a legacy deck may as well be all in. *meta-dependent
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Aug 23, 2016 18:02
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mcmagic posted:Path is roughly 10 billion times better vs Suicide Zoo than Bolt is. I meant in general I like Bolt as a removal spell more and in the Suicide Zoo matchup Jund has access to burn spells.
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mcmagic posted:If you ask me, Abzan is better positioned right now than Jund is. You just hate Jund
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