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Why cookie Rocket posted:I really like the idea of the Romulans using subjugated races from planets their empire has conquered as disposable shock troops but the Remans are the worst way to implement that idea. It kind of has a Janissary element to it. Too bad it didn't go anywhere. It'd be neat to see one of them deal with a race of slaves (maybe a colony of former Federation citizens) who were raised to believe sacrificing themselves for the Romulans is the most honorable thing you could do.
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Automatic Slim posted:Romulans were introduced on TOS in 1966. A one off episode establishes canon for every show and spinoff thereafter. Ah, well that makes sense in a dumb TV way. cheerfullydrab posted:Why's everybody get 7 seasons? Something to do with goals for syndication. Past certain milestones the rights are worth more.
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Aug 23, 2016 20:20
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Trast posted:Something to do with goals for syndication. Past certain milestones the rights are worth more. I think Syndication minimum was 3 seasons, although 5 was ideal so you could show it 5 nights a week without a rerun through the season.
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NotWearingPants posted:So I've tried to like Deep Space 9 because people keep saying it was actually good and I've seen it relatively high on lists of good science fiction shows but I just can't like it. Maybe the overall story is good, but I hate every single character except for Quark and his brother. This show is written very badly. I want them all to die. DS9 season 1 isn't that great, true. Here's my recommendation if you want an entertaining and occasionally thoughtful experience: S1 Emissary Past Prologue The Nagus Duet In the Hands of the Prophets S2 Homecoming The Circle The Siege Cardassians Necessary Evil Profit and Loss The Maquis 1 & 2 The Wire Crossover* The Collaborator Tribunal The Jem'hadar S3 The Search 1 & 2 The House of Quark Second Skin Civil Defense Defiant Past Tense 1 & 2 Life Support Heart of Stone Destiny Prophet Motive Visionary Through the Looking Glass* Improbable Cause The Die is Cast Explorers Family Business The Adversary S4 The Way of the Warrior The Visitor Hippocratic Oath Indiscretion Starship Down Little Green Men The Sword of Kahless Our Man Bashir Homefront Paradise Lost Return to Grace Bar Association Rules of Engagement Shattered Mirror For the Cause To the Death Broken Link S5 Apocalypse Rising The Ship Looking for par'Mach in All the Wrong Places ...Nor the Battle to the Strong The Assignment Trials and Tribble-ations Things Past The Ascent Rapture The Begotten For the Uniform In Purgatory's Shadow By Inferno's Light Doctor Bashir, I Presume? A Simple Investigation Business as Usual Ties of Blood and Water Ferengi Love Songs Soldiers of the Empire Blaze of Glory Empok Nor In the Cards Call to Arms S6 A Time to Stand Rocks and Shoals Sons and Daughters Behind the Lines Favor the Bold Sacrifice of Angels You Are Cordially Invited... Resurrection* Statistical Probabilities The Magnificent Ferengi Waltz Who Mourns for Morn? Far Beyond the Stars One Little Ship Honor Among Thieves Wrongs Darker than Death or Night Inquisition In the Pale Moonlight His Way The Reckoning Valiant Tears of the Prophets S7 Image in the Sand Shadows and Symbols Afterimage Take me Out to the Holosuite Treachery, Faith, and the Great River Once More Unto the Breach The Siege of AR-558 Covenant It's Only a Paper Moon Prodigal Daughter The Emperor's New Cloak* Badda-bing Badda-bang Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges Penumbra Til Death Do Us Part Strange Bedfellows The Changing Face of Evil When it Rains... Tacking into the Wind Extreme Measures The Dogs of War What You Leave Behind Notes: - most of these episodes contribute in some way to the overarching story of the series, or if not the plot per se then the development of the characters, and they're all good stories, good sci-fi, or both - the episodes marked with an asterisk* are set in the "Mirror Universe" that first appeared in TOS "Mirror, Mirror"and as such, they are pretty silly and largely unrelated to the 'real' story - anything omitted can be assumed to be pretty bad, but you don't have to take my word for it - though whatever you do DO NOT watch Melora, Meridian, the Muse, or Prophet and Lace as they are all utter poo poo
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I was hoping the DS9 episode Babel was going to be about the Universal Translator getting busted and everyone on the station suddenly can't understand each other. But then it ended up being about a brain disease that makes you say random words.
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Aug 23, 2016 20:27
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Look I'm sorry Kira the computer is too old/Cardassian to fix and no one is going to learn Bajoran so I guess it's the airlock for you sorry
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Apollodorus posted:DS9 season 1 isn't that great, true. Here's my recommendation if you want an entertaining and occasionally thoughtful experience: I had watched some of it when it was originally on so I started on season three and got four episodes in Otto - why not just fire that dude? He is an rear end in a top hat. He doesn't respect the chain of command and is difficult to work with. And he doesn't seem very good at his job. Bjoran chick - also very lovely at her job. The dialog between her and Otto is painfully bad. Irish stereotype guy - I don't give a gently caress about his wife's wistfulness and don't understand why everyone treats it as one of the major concerns of a deep space outpost on the brink of war. Dax - she's hot, so + for the eye candy, but the constant "Curzon in the 3rd person" dialog between her and the captain is just loving dumb. Doctor - can't put a finger on it but he just rubs me the wrong way. So maybe the overall arch of the war story is good, but I'll never get to it because the characters suck and the writing/dialog is embarrassingly bad. NotWearingPants fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Aug 23, 2016 20:37
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Dax isn't hot but you are correct that she's a bad character, but everything else you said is wrong. Your brain is wired backwards and sadly it means you can't enjoy good things I'm sorry that's my diagnosis 
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Odo: "QUWHARK! I'm watching you!" Quark: "But I'm not doing anything." (entire warp core falls out of Quark's sleeve) Odo: "QUWHARK!" Quark: V  V
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Aug 23, 2016 20:42
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NotWearingPants posted:I had watched some of it when it was originally on so I started on season three and got four episodes in I'm so sorry that you are wrong about the best Trek.
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Aug 23, 2016 20:43
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Baronjutter posted:Dax isn't hot but you are correct that she's a bad character, but everything else you said is wrong. Your brain is wired backwards and sadly it means you can't enjoy good things I'm sorry that's my diagnosis It's no Farscape. That poo poo stands the test of time and it's got loving muppets.
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Aug 23, 2016 20:44
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Every trek's got its charms. They're all doing their own thing. I think a lot of people's misery comes in expecting your Voyager to be like your TNG. Or your Enterprise to be like your TNG. Or TOS to be like your TNG. Or
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NotWearingPants posted:It's no Farscape. That poo poo stands the test of time and it's got loving muppets. I meant that to read "despite having muppets" in case it wasn't clear.
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Aug 23, 2016 20:47
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I think muppets are pretty much a pro across the board. Especially if they're 'loving muppets.'
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Aug 23, 2016 20:48
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MrSlam posted:Every trek's got its charms. They're all doing their own thing. I think a lot of people's misery comes in expecting your Voyager to be like your TNG. Or your Enterprise to be like your TNG. Or TOS to be like your TNG. Or https://twitter.com/dinkmagic/status/454813224475430912
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Aug 23, 2016 20:49
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DS9 is my favorite, but this is kind of accurate.
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Aug 23, 2016 20:52
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MrSlam posted:Odo: "QUWHARK! I'm watching you!"
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Whenever I meet people irl who tell me they don't like DS9 they are always discernibly mentally impaired in some way, this is a pattern I have noticed I really do try not to let this taint my interactions with these individuals online but it's hard not to
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Nah, TNG is very trekky and does the whole scify thing well while also being full of adorable characters you come to love, and troi. DS9 eschews the scify plot of the week device that was the foundation of trek and instead established some really great characters with far more detail and growth than in any trek before, and their plots that are rarely about or solved by technobabble is refreshing as gently caress, plus the first time trek (or much TV at all) was as heavily serialized as it was. Voyager is the worst of TNG's scify plot of the week but written so loving badly with such two dimensional and underdeveloped characters that even the best high concept scify rigamarole plots fell flat.
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NotWearingPants posted:So I've tried to like Deep Space 9 because people keep saying it was actually good and I've seen it relatively high on lists of good science fiction shows but I just can't like it. Maybe the overall story is good, but I hate every single character except for Quark and his brother. This show is written very badly. I want them all to die. Well, you're stupid. Either that or you're not giving it the loving chance it deserves. What poo poo have you watched and liked? edit: You mentioned Farscape. DS9 is REALLY like Farscape in a lot of ways, especially character-wise. Yes, everyone pretty much an rear end in a top hat, but there's a lot of development that turns their crew into a family and the way the plot unfolds is terrific in each case. Truly two of the best series. Add Babylon 5 to that list, too. Hopefully you've seen that, because it's basically DS9 done with a much lower budget and with a ton of loving weird drug addicts and deafs and drunks and right-wing lunatics and a paranoid schizo all on the cast and it's awesome. Apoplexy fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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Melora is a pretty terrible episode about dealing with disabilities, and it's only good moment is when space magic saves the person shot by a phaser on kill so she can fly through the air like superman and punch the bad guy.
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I've pretty well purged Melora from my memory, which took a lot of drat effort and time after watching it and the rest of DS9 over and over again for years on end as a lonely teenager. Which reminds me, I should watch through DS9 again sometime soon. I'm almost done with Deadwood and it's saddening me as the episode counter ticks down. I just saw the scene where Dan and Hearst's right-hand captain beat the loving poo poo out of each other in the thoroughfare.
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Aug 23, 2016 21:19
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MrSlam posted:Especially if they're 'loving muppets.' Oh, I see you're a fan of "Meet the Feebles" too.
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NotWearingPants posted:Otto - why not just fire that dude? He is an rear end in a top hat. He doesn't respect the chain of command and is difficult to work with. And he doesn't seem very good at his job. I always wondered why he was allowed to stay on and not in a Federation lab. He was supposedly 'fair' in the Bajoran occupation, but he still executed a poo poo load of Bajorans, or stood around and watched the Cardies kill. And the Bajorans still loving like him?
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Bajorans like him because he attempted, at least most of his tenure, to help Bajorans under occupation. Although he really should've done like everyone good-hearted and gone on a loving murderous rampage that would've left Terok Nor flooded 3 inches deep with the blood of all Cardies daring to step foot onboard the station.
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I mean Odo and Kira were supposed to be abrasive assholes. They'd just managed to get through the benevolent leadership of the Cardassians and get stuck playing second fiddle to the Federation. Bashir was supposed to be annoying and off because it was his first assignment and he's naive as gently caress about what it means to be outside of the Federation hug boxes and working plumbing. Jadzia Dax is annoying as poo poo though once she goes into full klingon weeaboo mode. At least there is a pay off when everyone gives her the cold shoulder after she goes off on a klingon blood debt thing.
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Bajorans are useless fucks. Cardassians come and invade and all they do is march to the labor camps and cry. If an alien race tried to invade earth I guarantee we would nuke them and ourselves into oblivion.
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Triggered posted:Bajorans are useless fucks. Cardassians come and invade and all they do is march to the labor camps and cry. If an alien race tried to invade earth I guarantee we would nuke them and ourselves into oblivion. Dukat did nothing wrong.
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Semi-Regular reminder that when the Bajorans were "freed" from Cardassian "Rule" the first thing they did was get into a bloody civil war over who got to use farm equipment, eventually turning into a coup.
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After like the second episode with Kai Wynn I was pretty much on the Dukat Was Right train.
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Kai Winn was the only bajoran who deserves respect. She knew how to get things done and worshipped aliens living in a wormhole. Cant ask more from a lady really.
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Fat Shat Sings posted:Semi-Regular reminder that when the Bajorans were "freed" from Cardassian "Rule" the first thing they did was get into a bloody civil war over who got to use farm equipment, eventually turning into a coup. They also cracked open a habitable moon, presumably forcibly relocating the inhabitants, for firewood.
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Volcott posted:They also cracked open a habitable moon, presumably forcibly relocating the inhabitants, for firewood. Hmmmmm the israel metaphor goes deeper Death to bajor
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Should've thrown the entire planet into the wormhole so they could be with their moon gods then sealed the thing. It would've saved the entire alpha quadrant a lot of trouble.
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death to the federation death to bajor we have this teplan blight
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Captain Picard is such a pussy https://twitter.com/SirPatStew/status/767104299256147968
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Ein cooler Typ posted:Captain Picard is such a pussy  
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