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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Payloads .. will block it.  I thought it might have been able to see "under" the payload or something.
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i dont really like that the common response to an overwhelming genji is 'just counterpick him ya noob' because that means that one or two people are picking specifically to handle that genji while the rest of the team can continue to play more effective heroes and ultimately win the resulting 5v4
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No Safe Word posted:Though I've seen weird behaviors especially when it's on a slope like near the last point of Dorado. I've been ducking on the other side and it still somehow killed me You can certainly fire under the payload. Even easier while it's angled. I suppose it depends on where on the mech the centre of the explosion is.
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Re: D.Va's ult LoS: /edit: gently caress me that's gigantic. Back to link. https://gfycat.com/SomeGlisteningBellfrog Kai Tave posted:I think the fundamental misapprehension people have wrt Winston is that he should be diving into the backline and solo 1v3ing. This is how I played him when I was new to the game and all I basically did was die a lot. Even if you can get a 1v1 going you shouldn't REALLY be pursuing too far afield of your team to begin with. That's exactly my issue with Genji/Tracer when playing Winston: I can reliably make them disengage but I very rarely can kill them unless they're damaged as you said or I catch them flat-footed. If you try to give chase by jumping in a fleeing Genji it's really easy to suddenly find yourself in the middle of an enemy group without your jump up to get the gently caress out again. (Also I'm honestly not sure if you're agreeing with me on people saying "lol just go Winston and chase him" overestimating Winston by thinking he can be an assassin or if you're telling me I'm playing Winston wrong  )
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i dont really like that the common response to an overwhelming genji is 'just counterpick him ya noob' because that means that one or two people are picking specifically to handle that genji while the rest of the team can continue to play more effective heroes and ultimately win the resulting 5v4 Counter-point: I don't normally like playing Winston, but I get a perverse joy in using him specifically to make sure the enemy Genji has no fun the entire game. Also, more effective heroes is debatable. Being able to save your team from Dragonblade or subject them to fewer of them seems pretty effective to me.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i dont really like that the common response to an overwhelming genji is 'just counterpick him ya noob' because that means that one or two people are picking specifically to handle that genji while the rest of the team can continue to play more effective heroes and ultimately win the resulting 5v4 if there's someone on the other team that's really good, you have to counterpick them regardless of what they're playing. shutting down the other team's best player helps you win the problem comes in when you have to counterpick a hero no matter how good the guy playing it is, like how launch mccree was with fan the hammer
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junkrat ult change suggestion: holding s should hold it in place but also rev it up, letting it zoom forward in a straight line when you release s, sonic spindash style
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Edmond Dantes posted:Re: D.Va's ult LoS: Looks like the groin is the explosions core then. It's certainly not lower down or any explosion next to the payload would kill people on the other side.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i dont really like that the common response to an overwhelming genji is 'just counterpick him ya noob' because that means that one or two people are picking specifically to handle that genji while the rest of the team can continue to play more effective heroes and ultimately win the resulting 5v4 F'real. Genji's a pain in the rear end, but he's not an unstoppable force independent of an entire team. I've beaten Genji with Lucio. If your team's working well together, Genji is as much a nuisance as any other character. And if you play strategically, it shouldn't have to keep coming down to one character vs. Genji. (Double-teaming: Fun in & out of the bedroom)
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Zephyrine posted:Looks like the groin is the explosions core then. It's certainly not lower down or any explosion next to the payload would kill people on the other side. aw poo poo I've been trying to time a behind-payload crouch jump this whole time.. I could swear it'd caught my feet before
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Edmond Dantes posted:Re: D.Va's ult LoS: that gif is super fuckin' old (look at the weird font of the countdown timer at the top) and they've patched it since then so that pixel-thin signposts and stuff like that doesn't block the ult anymore.
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Kai Tave posted:I think the fundamental misapprehension people have wrt Winston is that he should be diving into the backline and solo 1v3ing. This is how I played him when I was new to the game and all I basically did was die a lot. Even if you can get a 1v1 going you shouldn't REALLY be pursuing too far afield of your team to begin with. The problem is that a "counter" usually does more than just lower the enemy's damage somewhat. Causing Genji to be more careful about using his cooldowns and limiting the amount of time he can run around in the middle of your entire team is kind of a crappy payoff to spend an entire character slot on. Winston can push Genji away, sure, but Genji still gets to deal damage, build ult, and maybe grab a kill or two before withdrawing.
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imagine an overwatch where genji and hanzo didn't exist...
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Snazzy Frocks posted:imagine an overwatch where genji and hanzo didn't exist... Ah, two bombs WAS enough after all.
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Winston does more than just countering Genji. He's absolutely Genjis best counter, but you're not sacrificing a slot on your team to use him. You can also wreck their supports, squishy dpsers, and help your team via bubble. Whole lotta people undervaluing a good scientist.
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winston is, and has always been, one of the best heroes in the game
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he's just tremendously boring to play compared to say Roadhog/Zarya/D.Va and lacks the visceral enjoyment of clubbing someone to death as Reinhardt
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Main Paineframe posted:The problem is that a "counter" usually does more than just lower the enemy's damage somewhat. Causing Genji to be more careful about using his cooldowns and limiting the amount of time he can run around in the middle of your entire team is kind of a crappy payoff to spend an entire character slot on. Winston can push Genji away, sure, but Genji still gets to deal damage, build ult, and maybe grab a kill or two before withdrawing. Winston is good for more than just that, is the thing. It's not like his sole purpose is to mildly annoy Genji, Winston is actually a pretty solid character that's been a staple of comp play. It's not like someone is recommending you try going Mei or something. Getting to bust Genji's chops is one benefit of going Winston but far from the only one. Re: not killing Genjis with Winston, at the end of the day other people need to be shooting the Genji too. A counter pick doesn't inherently mean "it's now your sole responsibility to 1v1 this guy to death," counterpicking is meant to make it easier for your team to deal with something as a whole. Like if it's a Reaper giving you grief it's not one person's responsibility to be the dedicated Anti-Reaper but you might still go McCree to make the team's job of handling him easier. It's the same with Winston and Genji, having a Winston doesn't mean "ah, now Genji should insta-lose," it means your team should have an easier time of dealing with him whether it's because you finish him off with your lightning gun or force him to blow swift strike bugging out early or what.
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MacheteZombie posted:Winston does more than just countering Genji. He's absolutely Genjis best counter, but you're not sacrificing a slot on your team to use him. You can also wreck their supports, squishy dpsers, and help your team via bubble. Nah that's Roadhog / McCree. He's not his easiest counter, either, that's "Zenyatta plus everyone turns around and shoots him because they have situational awareness and can react within six seconds." Winston is a good complement to either of these plans, and like most Genji counters is also just a really good hero in his own right. This isn't exactly "pick Mei to completely bone D. Va" territory.
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Genji can reflect both of those characters and has the mobility to freely disengage. Winston negates both of those. I 100% agree that the absolute best thing is a team focus once Genji has made his move near the group
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MacheteZombie posted:Genji can reflect both of those characters and has the mobility to freely disengage. Winston negates both of those. He can, but if they're good, he won't. I say "best" because if they pull it off they'll instantly delete Genji and waste at least half his ult bar instead of just making him gently caress off, plus it only takes one character so you can do it just by being good enough even in QP or wherever. (And I'm totally on board with "it should waste all of it" because the way it works now, and to a lesser extent even how it works on PTR creates perverse incentives not to shoot the screaming Japanese robot-man as soon as possible and that's just bad design.)
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I've found Winston less to play now since there's a lot of Ana + Zenyatta around in QP. It was way more fun to jump into squishies when no one was going to put you to sleep and/or give you a double whammy of debuffs. People are definitely getting the hang of those tranq darts with Ana. I had on on my team yesterday who cancelled two High Noons and two Roadhog + Ana combos in one match. What a god. Mierenneuker fucked around with this message at 23:09 on Aug 23, 2016 |
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MacheteZombie posted:Genji can reflect both of those characters and has the mobility to freely disengage. Winston negates both of those. Zenyatta as a counter isn't so much about him personally fighting the Genji; it's just that being able to handicap The Good Player on the enemy team is always useful, no matter which hero they are.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Zenyatta as a counter isn't so much about him personally fighting the Genji; it's just that being able to handicap The Good Player on the enemy team is always useful, no matter which hero they are. I think he was talking about Roadhog (you can't reflect the hook and drag Roadhog to Genji, as hilarious as that would be, but you can stop it cold) and McCree (flashbang is perfectly reflectable.)
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Supercar Gautier posted:Zenyatta as a counter isn't so much about him personally fighting the Genji; it's just that being able to handicap The Good Player on the enemy team is always useful, no matter which hero they are. I'm in a agreement, but when I jumped in this convo it was about which single hero best combats genjis and for the average player Winston gives you the most bang for your buck.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I think he was talking about Roadhog (you can't reflect the hook and drag Roadhog to Genji, as hilarious as that would be, but you can stop it cold) and McCree (flashbang is perfectly reflectable.) As a mccree I'd really appreciate if blizz shrank the reflect hit box a bit. I'm always told throw your fb above him or to the side but I can't find that magic spot I guess.
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MacheteZombie posted:As a mccree I'd really appreciate if blizz shrank the reflect hit box a bit. I'm always told throw your fb above him or to the side but I can't find that magic spot I guess. Yeah, I'd say that falls under the same heading as "good god no don't reverse the projectile hitbox change." Powerful abilities should require some finesse to aim. It should be fairly difficult for both parties, though; figuring out how to toss the flashbang over Rein's shield was a great eureka moment, and that sort of thing would be lost if it were too easy. There's wiggle room in there.
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There's some weird Sombra stuff going on in the forums: http://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20748794686
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Manatee Cannon posted:winston is, and has always been, one of the best heroes in the game  If the other teams not running a Reaper he's usually a good pick.
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7 placement matches into this PTR, I'm 1-6. Of those 6, literally 5 were because some jackass dropped about halfway into the first point. I am so, so very tilted. I'm gonna place in loving bronze or something.
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Winston is indeed fun as hell to play despite the fact that his ultimate is a big wet fart.
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Away all Goats posted:Winston is indeed fun as hell to play despite the fact that his ultimate is a big wet fart. His ultimate is the best way to punch people off a cliff. 
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Ana boosted angry monkey
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As a fledgling Winston player, I'm enjoying having a glass cage which I can use to observe enemy ultimates.
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mccree is not a counter to genji at all
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Away all Goats posted:Winston is indeed fun as hell to play despite the fact that his ultimate is a big wet fart. Winston's ult is perfect for what he does (disruption and displacement) and it's also a full heal that doubles your HP and gives you huge knockback. It's... Good. I wish the angry gorilla swings did a little more damage though.
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mcvey posted:Ana boosted angry monkey This is a waste of an Ana ult though IMO.
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DrSeRRoD posted:There's some weird Sombra stuff going on in the forums: This is awesome. I love poo poo like this. Can't wait for people to decode whatever this is in about ten minutes
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Roadhog, Reinhardt, S76, Reaper, and Pharah take priority for my ult when I'm playing Ana.
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