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Kolodny
Jul 10, 2010

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Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
You can run for president apparently

Bizarro Watt
May 30, 2010

My responsibility is to follow the Scriptures which call upon us to occupy the land until Jesus returns.
I'm looking to graduate in a couple years with a PhD (Oceanography). I know that actual oceanographic positions in the federal government (like with NOAA or the USGS marine centers) are relatively few and far between, but would there be potential prospects outside of that? For example, water quality position at the USGS at one of their non-marine science centers. I like oceanography, but I don't need to make it my career (I've become disillusioned with academia as a grad student), but I'd like to utilize at least some of the skills I've gained.

I'm not so much worried about my job prospects when I graduate right now, just curious.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Umm, have you heard of the US Navy?

e_wraith
May 5, 2012

Damn pods!
Grimey Drawer

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Umm, have you heard of the US Navy?

Yes. This is the truth.

Also, NOAA jobs can't be as rare as people think, last time I was doing college recruiting it was right next to the NOAA booth. They had both civilian and uniformed people there and were looking for people with science and engineering backgrounds.

So do people here who are looking for federal jobs go to their college job fairs, out of curiosity? My organization at least makes a great deal of use of them. And sometimes can do interviews during the fair even. (Not my group, but other departments I have been with have done so.) Just a thought. It provides some face to face time with people who might be the ones who are making the hiring decisions later on. And trust me, we do keep track of promising people's resumes. I realize for those long out of school it might not seem like an option but usually alumni are allowed to participate as well.

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


I've been meaning to catch mine, as an alumni. This email resumes thing is brutal. Some face to face would probably do wonders for me

Hobolicious
Oct 7, 2012

The military might of a country represents its national strength. Only when it builds up its military might in every way can it develop into a thriving country.

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Umm, have you heard of the US Navy?

Try to not do this, if you have a choice. Just saying.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
They do have civilian jobs. Once you get status, you can switch.

I didn't say enlist or commission.

Elem7
Apr 12, 2003
der
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Is the "get your foot in the door" mentality valid for veterans? Even if it means going a grade lower than you are potentially eligible for as an outsider?

I'm looking for a new job and I have no plans to leave the area I'm in but there's a lot of economic uncertainty surrounding the near-term future here so for the last year I've been concentrating on federal positions which seem to be about as stable as it gets right now locally. I've had several interviews and from what I was told was very close to being offered the job on both a flat GS-11 position and a GS 9/11/12 position but I just keep lucking out.

Well now I have a likely offer coming in for a flat GS-9 spot with the DoD which doesn't require a clearance(unlike most IT DoD positions) and I'm not really sure I want it.

My main concern is that, if I'm understanding how the GS system works correctly, if I take a GS-9 spot I won't be even be eligible to apply for a GS-11 spot for at least 52 weeks despite previously qualifying and being referred for jobs up to the GS-12 level.

As a GS-9 the pay would be a wash and I'd actually lose out on some perks so GS-9 is not where I want to end up at. Since I won't even get my clearance renewed out of this I really have to wonder if there's even an advantage to being a veteran in the federal service vs just a veteran when it comes to applying for other positions, thoughts? Am I misunderstanding anything?

ixo
Sep 8, 2004

m'bloaty

Fun Shoe

Elem7 posted:

Is the "get your foot in the door" mentality valid for veterans? Even if it means going a grade lower than you are potentially eligible for as an outsider?

I'm looking for a new job and I have no plans to leave the area I'm in but there's a lot of economic uncertainty surrounding the near-term future here so for the last year I've been concentrating on federal positions which seem to be about as stable as it gets right now locally. I've had several interviews and from what I was told was very close to being offered the job on both a flat GS-11 position and a GS 9/11/12 position but I just keep lucking out.

Well now I have a likely offer coming in for a flat GS-9 spot with the DoD which doesn't require a clearance(unlike most IT DoD positions) and I'm not really sure I want it.

My main concern is that, if I'm understanding how the GS system works correctly, if I take a GS-9 spot I won't be even be eligible to apply for a GS-11 spot for at least 52 weeks despite previously qualifying and being referred for jobs up to the GS-12 level.

As a GS-9 the pay would be a wash and I'd actually lose out on some perks so GS-9 is not where I want to end up at. Since I won't even get my clearance renewed out of this I really have to wonder if there's even an advantage to being a veteran in the federal service vs just a veteran when it comes to applying for other positions, thoughts? Am I misunderstanding anything?

someone else feel free to correct me, but as far as I'm aware once you're hired your advantage as a veteran ends. If you're a veteran on a cert for an entry level job, I must hire you or another vet unless you decline the position. not true for a promotion.

I'm in an agency that sees relatively few veterans (maybe 1-5 on a cert out of a total of 5-20 applicants), so if you're competing with hundreds of other veterans it may still be a good idea to get in however you can.

Elem7
Apr 12, 2003
der
Dinosaur Gum

ixo posted:

I'm in an agency that sees relatively few veterans (maybe 1-5 on a cert out of a total of 5-20 applicants), so if you're competing with hundreds of other veterans it may still be a good idea to get in however you can.

That's one of my biggest questions though, does just being an "in" veteran mean anything over being just a veteran? If it's just generally federal employee < veteran and veteran + "in" essentially equals "out" + veteran then it seems like I'm gaining nothing but losing my ability to even apply for GS-11 positions I'm qualified for until I have TIG as a GS-9 vs now where I can apply just fine and get past the screening to the interview stage.

Unless I'm wrong and TIG only matters for progressing in a multi-grade position but doesn't affect eligibility to apply for whole new ones at a higher grade?

snowparty
Mar 23, 2008
Hi, does anyone have any experience with the recent graduate program? I recently graduated with a bachelors and have applied to several positions that focus on hiring recent grads. Is it a quick hiring process compared to a normal position? I saw that it took someone up to 15 months to get a job. I don't have that kind of time to wait for a position.

Kolodny
Jul 10, 2010

snowparty posted:

Hi, does anyone have any experience with the recent graduate program? I recently graduated with a bachelors and have applied to several positions that focus on hiring recent grads. Is it a quick hiring process compared to a normal position? I saw that it took someone up to 15 months to get a job. I don't have that kind of time to wait for a position.

It depends on the agency, and then there are a host of intervening factors that could extend things in specific circumstances. About all you can guarantee is that if it's something that requires a clearance it could take 3+ months.

Around now you're looking at the end of the fiscal year plus a presidential election, so it could be a while.

Kolodny fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Aug 23, 2016

Umbreon
May 21, 2011
Are any IT federal positions 24/7? I'm looking to score a night shift job with my measley 3 years of NOC experience, CCNA, and bachelor's degree(from ITT Tech :barf: ), and wondering if that's even a thing for government jobs.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I know of some help desk and systems administrator positions that are overnight. They're also highly coveted, because they pay overnight differential and don't involve much actual work.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
Okay, I transferred and it sucks. I have had debilitating panic attacks every night. If I can get a psychiatrist to say I have an adjustment disorder, do you think I could get a hardship?

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Beerdeer posted:

Okay, I transferred and it sucks. I have had debilitating panic attacks every night. If I can get a psychiatrist to say I have an adjustment disorder, do you think I could get a hardship?

I'm confused here. I even went and looked at your old posts and I'm still confused.

I'm taking it that you took the higher paying position in the same office?

Would you want a hardship to a different office, or is it the position in general that's causing panic attacks?

How long have you worked for the government?

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
Transferred to a new office. I get paid more but no actual promotion. Now I want to go back. I'd even give up the extra pay.

I spent 7 years at my old office under a different directorate. The new position has the same title but different duties. Duties that suck. :argh:

Beerdeer fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Aug 25, 2016

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Whether your agency will accept that for a hardship transfer is going to depend on their internal rules. Each agency handles them a bit differently.

With a psych eval in hand, though, you could look into making a reasonable accommodation request.

Must Love Dogs
May 6, 2005

and the sky is filled with light can you see it?

Beerdeer posted:

Okay, I transferred and it sucks. I have had debilitating panic attacks every night. If I can get a psychiatrist to say I have an adjustment disorder, do you think I could get a hardship?

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/disability-employment/providing-accommodations/

If you are at a union-represented jobsite, talk to the local. Worth noting that this isn't something covered under the open shop rules, so if you want help you might need to join to get it.

Delorence Fickle
Feb 21, 2011

Grouchio posted:

What are some good federal jobs and/or programs for people on the high-end of the autism spectrum, during or after grad school?

If in a STEM field: Patent Examiner.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Delorence Fickle posted:

If in a STEM field: Patent Examiner.

I have a friend that went straight from finishing his Ph.D. directly into that job. He is very happy and it was a good life choice.

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


Isn't it full time telework, too? I remember articles about how they were all just cramming a year of shoddy work into like a few weeks and checking out the rest of the time.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Applying to the PTO as a patent examiner now. I considered it after my master's and it's been brought up among my friends, independent of here.

Regarding Schedule A, do I need to include documentation at the time of application or will they ask me for it later on?

edit: Actually, it looks like it wouldn't necessarily help: "Schedule A, 5 CFR 213.3102(u), for hiring people with severe physical disabilities, psychiatric disabilities, and intellectual disabilities. This excepted authority is used to appoint persons with severe physical disabilities, psychiatric disabilities, and intellectual disabilities. Such individuals may qualify for conversion to permanent status after two years of satisfactory service."

Josh Lyman posted:

Going through the process of creating my profile, would I qualify as Schedule A disabled due to major depression? It caused me to drop out of my PhD program after 5.5 years, and I'm currently medicated on lithium and prozac.

Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Aug 28, 2016

Omne
Jul 12, 2003

Orangedude Forever

So I've worked for a bank doing direct marketing and for a large transportation company in product management. What sort of areas should I be looking into for a government job?

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Thesaurus posted:

Isn't it full time telework, too? I remember articles about how they were all just cramming a year of shoddy work into like a few weeks and checking out the rest of the time.

You have to work in the office for the first couple years; after that you can choose to do full time telework (minus a couple weeks a year when you have to go in to HQ.)

Some of them definitely do that. Some actually try to do a decent job (usually the younger ones.)

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
So this is mostly bitching but the sf-86 is one of the most most depressing forms I've ever had to fill out.

I mean I get why its 127 pages and a huge time sink, but man every foreign contact you add makes you feel so much worse about your chances.

Thank God they don't require addresses from before you're 18.

My mother is a Canadian and I went to a Canadian university (stupidly), though I was born in the US. Here's to hoping that doesn't completely kill my clearance chances.

Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore

The Iron Rose posted:

So this is mostly bitching but the sf-86 is one of the most most depressing forms I've ever had to fill out.

I mean I get why its 127 pages and a huge time sink, but man every foreign contact you add makes you feel so much worse about your chances.

Thank God they don't require addresses from before you're 18.

My mother is a Canadian and I went to a Canadian university (stupidly), though I was born in the US. Here's to hoping that doesn't completely kill my clearance chances.

That shouldn't really affect your chances, unless you went to ISIS U. Or State, but gently caress those guys.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
I can't help but feel my long list of contacts is what dragged my application past the deadline when all of my classmates successfully got in.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
This is probably going to sound a little stupid but I figure I should ask the people who are in this field who might know what's up.

I'm in my final year of my Master's Program in a International Relations-related program, working on a concentration in Asian Studies and currently studying Chinese on my own to make sure I can deal with the language proficiency issue.

Obviously I have an interest in this field, and I'm interested in working for the Federal government as well. I was considering working on applying for the FSO, but I understand it is very difficult and, once in, it can be a really rough situation especially if you're a part of a couple. So I figured I'd poke around for more options. Unfortunately my girlfriend recently was told that to get anywhere in her field of choice, she'll want to spend graduate school and probably career in Europe, in areas like Germany or Austria. Obviously I don't care to go for a LTR for 5~+ years, nor do I want to abandon ship on this relationship or my career interests.

But as far as federal government jobs for the US...in another country, that's probably limited to State Department's FSOs and Foreign Service Specialists, right? Am I hosed on this respect or are there other options/suggestions you guys have?

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


Artificer posted:

This is probably going to sound a little stupid but I figure I should ask the people who are in this field who might know what's up.

I'm in my final year of my Master's Program in a International Relations-related program, working on a concentration in Asian Studies and currently studying Chinese on my own to make sure I can deal with the language proficiency issue.

Obviously I have an interest in this field, and I'm interested in working for the Federal government as well. I was considering working on applying for the FSO, but I understand it is very difficult and, once in, it can be a really rough situation especially if you're a part of a couple. So I figured I'd poke around for more options. Unfortunately my girlfriend recently was told that to get anywhere in her field of choice, she'll want to spend graduate school and probably career in Europe, in areas like Germany or Austria. Obviously I don't care to go for a LTR for 5~+ years, nor do I want to abandon ship on this relationship or my career interests.

But as far as federal government jobs for the US...in another country, that's probably limited to State Department's FSOs and Foreign Service Specialists, right? Am I hosed on this respect or are there other options/suggestions you guys have?

Probably not the answer you want or like but you can do officer corps for the Airforce with a Germany placement.

Happydayz
Jan 6, 2001

No, not really. There are a lot of US government jobs in Europe, specifically Germany and Austria.

There are several large Defense Department bases in Germany. Stuttgart is home to two regional combatant commands; European Command and Africa Command. Ok, not GREAT opportunities for a Chinese-specialist there, but possible. DIA is hiring entry level intel analysts right now - put your name into the hat for that. There are also some policy type positions at EUCOM/AFRICOM working country desks.

Use your Chinese background to get you into the door, and then try to find your way to Stuttgart, Ramstein, or Wiesbaden, where there are significant DoD installations.

For Austria - Vienna is home to 3x Ambassador level US positions; one US mission to Austria, one to the OSCE, and one to the big UN hub there in Vienna. There might also be UN positions there. I believe the bits of the UN dealing with nuclear weapons, narcotics, and a few other things, are in Vienna.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!

Goodpancakes posted:

Probably not the answer you want or like but you can do officer corps for the Airforce with a Germany placement.

Hmmm. Military wasn't quite what I was expecting at all, but I'll keep my options open and put that on the list. Thank you. Anyone else?

Happydayz posted:

No, not really. There are a lot of US government jobs in Europe, specifically Germany and Austria.

There are several large Defense Department bases in Germany. Stuttgart is home to two regional combatant commands; European Command and Africa Command. Ok, not GREAT opportunities for a Chinese-specialist there, but possible. DIA is hiring entry level intel analysts right now - put your name into the hat for that. There are also some policy type positions at EUCOM/AFRICOM working country desks.

Use your Chinese background to get you into the door, and then try to find your way to Stuttgart, Ramstein, or Wiesbaden, where there are significant DoD installations.

For Austria - Vienna is home to 3x Ambassador level US positions; one US mission to Austria, one to the OSCE, and one to the big UN hub there in Vienna. There might also be UN positions there. I believe the bits of the UN dealing with nuclear weapons, narcotics, and a few other things, are in Vienna.

I figure the Ambassador level positions you mentioned are probably limited to those going through the FSO tracks right? But otherwise those are good suggestions too, thank you.

Artificer fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Sep 2, 2016

Happydayz
Jan 6, 2001

Artificer posted:

Hmmm. Military wasn't quite what I was expecting at all, but I'll keep my options open and put that on the list. Thank you. Anyone else?


I figure the Ambassador level positions you mentioned are probably limited to those going through the FSO tracks right? But otherwise those are good suggestions too, thank you.

No, that isn't correct. There are three missions there and a lot of personnel supporting them. Long story short - a lot of international jobs in Vienna.

The Mantis
Jul 19, 2004

what is yall sayin?

Artificer posted:

Hmmm. Military wasn't quite what I was expecting at all, but I'll keep my options open and put that on the list. Thank you. Anyone else?


I figure the Ambassador level positions you mentioned are probably limited to those going through the FSO tracks right? But otherwise those are good suggestions too, thank you.

All larger embassies have a variety of agencies present. I know being abroad seems like the operative factor for you, but i would suggest switching it around. What do you want to be doing while you're abroad? Once you figure that out, you can find ways to do overseas rotations. No matter what, if you work for the USG (even as an FSO), you're gonna do some/a lot of time stateside.

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


For something like the PTO where they're hiring multiple people, will they wait until the application period closes before considering applicants? I ask because I'm flying for an on-site with a different agency next week and I'd like to be able to compare offers.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

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Per Artificer's general question, federal civilian jobs in other countries are definitely there; for example, the only GS-1 job I ever saw in the wild was a part-time lifeguard job at some army base in, like, Italy? It kind of made me want to apply just for the chutzpah I would feel in doing so

Elem7 posted:

Is the "get your foot in the door" mentality valid for veterans? Even if it means going a grade lower than you are potentially eligible for as an outsider?

I'm looking for a new job and I have no plans to leave the area I'm in but there's a lot of economic uncertainty surrounding the near-term future here so for the last year I've been concentrating on federal positions which seem to be about as stable as it gets right now locally. I've had several interviews and from what I was told was very close to being offered the job on both a flat GS-11 position and a GS 9/11/12 position but I just keep lucking out.

My main concern is that, if I'm understanding how the GS system works correctly, if I take a GS-9 spot I won't be even be eligible to apply for a GS-11 spot for at least 52 weeks despite previously qualifying and being referred for jobs up to the GS-12 level.
You cannot apply for a GS-11 position for 52 weeks for internal postings, but a job posting that is open to all U.S. Citizens would still allow you to apply at GS-11 even before you had filled 52 weeks. At least, that is the understanding I gleaned after complaining at a job panel about how my job qualifications seemingly got worse when I took my GS-9 position. No worries, not worse per se, just not better.

mad_Thick
Aug 4, 2014
Hello all. I have a few questions.

I am a Marine Corps Veteran, served five years in the infantry, with two years in the Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team. As well, I am in my senior year studying Economics, and would love nothing more than to make a career in the government sector. I have been looking at various jobs on USAjobs and see many are for GS-11 and up, which basically means you need a Graduates degree if I am not mistaken.

Again, as I am starting my senior year in university, I am wondering what would be some worth while Masters degrees to look into. I have great interest in doing something such as intelligence, or something physical regarding Anti-Terrorism. Agency wise, I have been looking into the DoD.

tl;dr

What Masters degrees would be worth while for a career in the government sector, such as the DoD?

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

mad_Thick posted:

Hello all. I have a few questions.

I am a Marine Corps Veteran, served five years in the infantry, with two years in the Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team. As well, I am in my senior year studying Economics, and would love nothing more than to make a career in the government sector. I have been looking at various jobs on USAjobs and see many are for GS-11 and up, which basically means you need a Graduates degree if I am not mistaken.

Again, as I am starting my senior year in university, I am wondering what would be some worth while Masters degrees to look into. I have great interest in doing something such as intelligence, or something physical regarding Anti-Terrorism. Agency wise, I have been looking into the DoD.

tl;dr

What Masters degrees would be worth while for a career in the government sector, such as the DoD?

I actually recently talked to a few contacts (one agency, one Booz-Allen, so keep that in mind) of mine on this very subject. Look at Georgetown school of security studies and John Hopkins school of international affairs. Focus on IR or security policy in your masters.

Intelligence is a pretty wide ranging field. I would also advise attempting to find relevant private sector work as well. Look at DoD contractors, especially if you still have a current or elapsed clearance. Clearancejobs has some great info there.

Also look into risk assessment, or geolocation and NRO/NGA internships if you can land one.

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CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

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mad_Thick posted:

Hello all. I have a few questions.

I am a Marine Corps Veteran, served five years in the infantry, with two years in the Fleet Anti-Terrorism Security Team. As well, I am in my senior year studying Economics, and would love nothing more than to make a career in the government sector. I have been looking at various jobs on USAjobs and see many are for GS-11 and up, which basically means you need a Graduates degree if I am not mistaken.

Again, as I am starting my senior year in university, I am wondering what would be some worth while Masters degrees to look into. I have great interest in doing something such as intelligence, or something physical regarding Anti-Terrorism. Agency wise, I have been looking into the DoD.

tl;dr

What Masters degrees would be worth while for a career in the government sector, such as the DoD?

With an econ background and an interest in international security or terrorism you'd be a perfect fit for Johns Hopkins SAIS (or Georgetown's security studies program, but SAIS has more econ). I graduated from SAIS recently and a good number of my classmates were veterans or active duty military and the school sends boatloads of people into federal jobs (or related fields from which one can eventually jump into government) every year. If you have the grades for it it's a great choice.

Other than SAIS and Georgetown, Syracuse's Maxwell school and Tufts' Fletcher are excellent choices, but I personally think it's better to be in D.C. for networking. You could also look at the George Washington university's Elliott School of International Affairs, which is a respected program although maybe a half-step below SAIS/GTown/Fletcher.

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