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pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

ullerrm posted:

To be fair, that would cut out a bunch of the tiny little alliances who are utterly irrelevant on the galactic stage but pretty good at small gang poo poo (Exodus, Rote, etc). Take TI2016 -- Wings Gaming took that poo poo with ease, absolutely murdering perennials like OG and EG... and they didn't even exist in their present form until a year ago.

The real answer to this lies in long-term brackets and round-robin play, lasting multiple months, so that you end up with a seed list. But that's way too much effort, both for CCP and for alliances. Let's be honest: Eve is not an eSports title.

Sure, I get that, I just don't care about those small alliances. The in-game lore about the alliance tournament is that it's for "real alliances" that exist to hold sov et al, not ones that exist solely to compete in the alliance tournament.

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Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011
Holding sov is for losers lolol

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

pseudanonymous posted:

Sure, I get that, I just don't care about those small alliances. The in-game lore about the alliance tournament is that it's for "real alliances" that exist to hold sov et al, not ones that exist solely to compete in the alliance tournament.

Where does it say any of that in-game specifically?

Edit - This is the announcement for AT1 - https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-state-plays-host-to-capsuleer-tournament/

No talk of having to be a sov holding group to compete. Weird.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Aug 24, 2016

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

pseudanonymous posted:

Sure, I get that, I just don't care about those small alliances. The in-game lore about the alliance tournament is that it's for "real alliances" that exist to hold sov et al, not ones that exist solely to compete in the alliance tournament.

I wish this were true. If so, rip PL, who holds sov in 0 systems

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011

Unfunny Poster posted:

Where does it say any of that in-game specifically?

Edit - This is the announcement for AT1 - https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-state-plays-host-to-capsuleer-tournament/

No talk of having to be a sov holding group to compete. Weird.

Beaten, just like PLs meatshield/pets

CasinoV
Aug 13, 2009

ullerrm posted:

I wish this were true. If so, rip PL, who holds sov in 0 systems

If it was true PL would just magically hold sov in the dronelands again.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Syndic Thrass posted:

Beaten, just like PLs meatshield/pets

This is a 3/10 meme post my bigoted friend.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Unfunny Poster posted:

Where does it say any of that in-game specifically?

Edit - This is the announcement for AT1 - https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/caldari-state-plays-host-to-capsuleer-tournament/

No talk of having to be a sov holding group to compete. Weird.

"...capsuleer alliances have tremendous strength and our main interest lies in seeing who will come out on top.

Some political analysts believe that this is the first step of war preparation for the Caldari, and that they are simply “testing them”. “In the past few years, capsuleer alliances have been growing at a rate faster than we could have ever imagined, especially in the outer regions. One day they might actually start posing as threats to the empires.”

Did you not even read the thing you just posted as evidence for you argument?

Thats's some pretty clear subtext. Or are you going to go with "it doesn't literally say the point of the AT is to see how good alliances which hold sov using the in-game sov mechanics are" blah blah? How spelled out do you need it?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
With my specific interpretation of this vague statement it clearly indicates that CCP meant for the AT to be....:goonsay:

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
You should go back to bitching about Zephyrine leaving GSF in every post you made for 3 months straight.

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011

Unfunny Poster posted:

With my specific interpretation of this vague statement it clearly indicates that CCP meant for the AT to be....:goonsay:

Unfunny Poster posted:

With my specific interpretation of this vague statement it clearly indicates that CCP meant for the AT to be....:goonsay:

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




so whats the deal with this project mayhem keepstar onlining in nalvula and why is shart dargon batphoning reddit for it

i thought project mayhem were pl pets

or is this the rope-a-dope where they just tidi the gently caress out of everything so it onlines no matter what

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Orange Red Bull posted:

or is this the rope-a-dope where they just tidi the gently caress out of everything so it onlines no matter what

This.

Also, lol at anyone who trusts shart dragon

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




the king in the north

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




actually hes a beta bitch as long as VFK is named Mollegrad and not Dragongrad

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Unfunny Poster posted:

With my specific interpretation of this vague statement it clearly indicates that CCP meant for the AT to be....:goonsay:

"One day they might actually start posing as threats to the empires.

"posing as threats"

"threats to the empires."

Yeah that's pretty vague.

Booley
Apr 25, 2010
I CAN BARELY MAKE IT A WEEK WITHOUT ACTING LIKE AN ASSHOLE
Grimey Drawer

pseudanonymous posted:

"...capsuleer alliances have tremendous strength and our main interest lies in seeing who will come out on top.

Some political analysts believe that this is the first step of war preparation for the Caldari, and that they are simply “testing them”. “In the past few years, capsuleer alliances have been growing at a rate faster than we could have ever imagined, especially in the outer regions. One day they might actually start posing as threats to the empires.”

Did you not even read the thing you just posted as evidence for you argument?

Thats's some pretty clear subtext. Or are you going to go with "it doesn't literally say the point of the AT is to see how good alliances which hold sov using the in-game sov mechanics are" blah blah? How spelled out do you need it?

So what, you want the AT to be boring as gently caress? It's been a very long time since any alliances that hold serious sov have provided much in the way of interesting matches and a competitive AT run.

stale meme dot png
May 5, 2015
College Slice

Booley posted:

So what, you want the AT to be boring as gently caress? It's been a very long time since any alliances that hold serious sov have provided much in the way of interesting matches and a competitive AT run.

The AT isn't already boring as gently caress? Oh wait it is.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Orange Red Bull posted:

so whats the deal with this project mayhem keepstar onlining in nalvula and why is shart dargon batphoning reddit for it

i thought project mayhem were pl pets

or is this the rope-a-dope where they just tidi the gently caress out of everything so it onlines no matter what

nalvula is <5ly from Aunenen, Aurohunen, Jan, Horkkisen, and Pakkonen and is also itself an option for a lowsec jf border system which is basically every border system that you'd want to use for the north

pmayhem has been dropping supers on jfs in all of the above systems

darkness lives in the north

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Booley posted:

So what, you want the AT to be boring as gently caress? It's been a very long time since any alliances that hold serious sov have provided much in the way of interesting matches and a competitive AT run.

I think the AT is a stupid waste of time. It's currently boring as gently caress, and irrelevant to the majority of eve players. It's essentially a jerk off session for a few select individuals. It takes up dev time, art development time, and gm time and that time is used to benefit a ludicrously small portion of the player base. Each year new ships are designed and made that basically, no-one will ever see.

CCP should realize that the end game of Eve is the highly organized alliance wars, these are drive subscriptions and actually make Eve unique. Everything going on in Eve should be an interrelated web of things.

If fozziesov is so great, then the top sov holders should get automatic top seeding, probably by aggregate ADMs.

Syndic Thrass
Nov 10, 2011
Or the AT should be an entosis match! Killing things is so dominion

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
maybe just git good and metagame it and win it

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



pseudanonymous posted:

"One day they might actually start posing as threats to the empires.

"posing as threats"

"threats to the empires."

Yeah that's pretty vague.

Fix Lag
Sep 8, 2011

There's a sale at Penny's!

pseudanonymous posted:

I think the AT is a stupid waste of time. It's currently boring as gently caress, and irrelevant to the majority of eve players. It's essentially a jerk off session for a few select individuals. It takes up dev time, art development time, and gm time and that time is used to benefit a ludicrously small portion of the player base. Each year new ships are designed and made that basically, no-one will ever see.

CCP should realize that the end game of Eve is the highly organized alliance wars, these are drive subscriptions and actually make Eve unique. Everything going on in Eve should be an interrelated web of things.

If fozziesov is so great, then the top sov holders should get automatic top seeding, probably by aggregate ADMs.

yup

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
What is "20% time" and how does it work?

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

Unfunny Poster posted:

What is "20% time" and how does it work?

a good idea that CCP was very slow in implementing. It's where Valkyrie came from, iirc. you let your employees spend 20% of the workday on personal projects.

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

ullerrm posted:

What's the motivation behind preventing an 8-man tournament-only alliance? If we're looking for the best possible 8-man team, we don't care where they came from.

At some point, we have to decide what the AT is for. Is it an advertising experience for big alliances (which, ironically, are the very entities who are perfectly capable of advertising themselves without CCP's assistance)? Or is it a PvP tournament?

Good point.

Daler Mehndi
Apr 10, 2005

Tunak Tunak Tun!
I unsubscribed a few months back, but I got an itch to start up again now that we're invading Delve for the millionth time. How useful are carriers/dreads/FAX right now? I want to know if it's worth the trouble of moving them, as I'd much rather just hop into a travel interceptor and fly whatever subcaps are available in the staging area.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

Elsa posted:

a good idea that CCP was very slow in implementing. It's where Valkyrie came from, iirc. you let your employees spend 20% of the workday on personal projects.

i thought that was called 100% time

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Yeah, even at Google the engineers joke that 20% is really 120% time. You've still got a day job to do before you can spend time on your pet side project, and "side project becoming next big market" is quite rare.

Eve Valkyrie would have died if it was a conventional PC game.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I think I was a bit too subtle.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
When PL & GSF are blue to one another.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSrTnWDTdwI

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Daler Mehndi posted:

I unsubscribed a few months back, but I got an itch to start up again now that we're invading Delve for the millionth time. How useful are carriers/dreads/FAX right now? I want to know if it's worth the trouble of moving them, as I'd much rather just hop into a travel interceptor and fly whatever subcaps are available in the staging area.

FAX are incredibly useful, and we can never have enough of them, as long as they're Minokawas (caldari one.) Apostles (amarr) can come too.

katka
Apr 18, 2008

:roboluv::h: :awesomelon: :h::roboluv:
Finally had some time to play for the first time in a week and I see the we own NOL again. Delve is (still) for goons.

Roller Coast Guard
Aug 27, 2006

With this magnificent aircraft,
and my magnificent facial hair,
the British Empire will never fall!


pseudanonymous posted:

I think the AT is a stupid waste of time. It's currently boring as gently caress, and irrelevant to the majority of eve players. It's essentially a jerk off session for a few select individuals. It takes up dev time, art development time, and gm time and that time is used to benefit a ludicrously small portion of the player base. Each year new ships are designed and made that basically, no-one will ever see.

The alliance tournament acts as a broadcasted job interview so is a direct cause of Fozzie getting into CCP, and also the clear inspiration for the current sov system of "if we distribute nodes and make the antagonist stay within a specific location for the duration there will be an elite 10 vs 10 honourable gudfite in every system".

It used to be good when CCP would use the between-fights period to get their devs in talking about development and occasionally unveiling new features, but now CCP has corporate ADD and are desperate to jump on every new bandwagon they see, they'll probably spend all that time babbling about Gunjack or some other fuckawful distraction they're making GBS threads out as their Next Big Thing only to sink without trace 3 months later.

Gwyneth Palpate
Jun 7, 2010

Do you want your breadcrumbs highlighted?

~SMcD

Helicon One posted:

It used to be good when CCP would use the between-fights period to get their devs in talking about development and occasionally unveiling new features, but now CCP has corporate ADD and are desperate to jump on every new bandwagon they see, they'll probably spend all that time babbling about Gunjack or some other fuckawful distraction they're making GBS threads out as their Next Big Thing only to sink without trace 3 months later.

it's more that they're terrified of getting metagamed by the playerbase

they've been very, very gun-shy since forex

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!
Id love to see an AT with double the points and no limits on the number of pilots on a side.

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!
And by "see" I mean read about a week after it happens.

Maneck
Sep 11, 2011

Helicon One posted:

It used to be good when CCP would use the between-fights period to get their devs in talking about development and occasionally unveiling new features, but now CCP has corporate ADD and are desperate to jump on every new bandwagon they see, they'll probably spend all that time babbling about Gunjack or some other fuckawful distraction they're making GBS threads out as their Next Big Thing only to sink without trace 3 months later.

Player built stargates. Any day now. And they'll do somethingTM

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Keepstar dead

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