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My chaos campaign was kind of weird because the Skaeling actually offered me a peace treaty out of the blue. The relationship never advanced beyond that despite a very, very high rating, but it didn't matter. Once the Varg were gone I didn't have to murder goddamned vikings anymore. The Skaeling ended up killing all of my vassals and taking over the North. I helped none of them to avoid going back to war with the Skaeling and it worked out pretty well. They turned into a constant stream of marauder stacks and actually helped me out quite a bit by simply attacking the Empire and leaving me the hell alone for once. I started that campaign with Kholek and my second legendary lord was Sigvald. I didn't get Archaon until really late in the game. He then proceeded to get assassinated twice and was completely loving useless as he kept having to be replaced by generic lords. I'm ok with this.
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I'm playing as sigvald and kholek, and just as I got my act together the lord 'o change shows up and I end up benny-hilling down to sylvania and back again before killing him with the baersonlings, I'm getting the feeling it's going to be a while before I have enough float to raise a third stack, let alone get starcrusher and the auric armour to make battles easier 
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pnutz posted:I'm playing as sigvald and kholek, and just as I got my act together the lord 'o change shows up and I end up benny-hilling down to sylvania and back again before killing him with the baersonlings, I'm getting the feeling it's going to be a while before I have enough float to raise a third stack, let alone get starcrusher and the auric armour to make battles easier Top priority as Sigvald is to build up one single omega stack so you can get the armor. Once you have it, he and some hellcannons can kill pretty much any city you care to name. Unless Altdorf is defended with multiple luminarks with cavalry support in a narrow alleyway.  Well over a hundred of Slaanesh's finest gave their lives screening Sigvald and his perfect hair.
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Aug 24, 2016 05:06
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Finally got my first VH win as Empire, 178 turns. Funny how the Age of "Peace" led to the Empire turning into a giant thunderdome between members of the former Grand Alliance as their armies headed north to murder Norsca, while I had to basically race my armies east to kill the Vampire Counts as fast as possible before my neighbors broke our trade treaties/declared war on me. Meanwhile, Grimgor had taken the entire Badlands but somehow was hesitant to declare war on me despite marching into my lands to finish off the Dwarves. It was a hilariously close-run thing in the end, practically a base race now that I think about it. Time to go Dwarfs, but I dread their lovely agent game; Warrior Priests were invaluable at keeping corruption at bay and getting armies replenished in a single turn, Light Wizards are probably the best spellcasters in the game, and Witch Hunters stopped the flood of agents from causing too much public order trouble. I wonder if there's a mod that makes Dwarf agents a lot more accessible out there...
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Aug 24, 2016 05:36
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Top priority as Sigvald is to build up one single omega stack so you can get the armor. any suggestions for the doomstack? I'm currently thinking chosen and dragon ogre spam. it reminds me of that staff of volans mission with the gazillion halberds but this time they're all elites
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Aug 24, 2016 08:01
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pnutz posted:any suggestions for the doomstack? I'm currently thinking chosen and dragon ogre spam. 19 Giants because it looks funny during sieges.
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Aug 24, 2016 08:11
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Safety Factor posted:My chaos campaign was kind of weird because the Skaeling actually offered me a peace treaty out of the blue. Same thing happened with me, and shortly afterwards (around turn 30-ish, having sacked Praag for the achievement and wiped out Kraka Drak) I decided I might as well go for all the Chaos achievements, and cloistered myself in the Chaos Wastes to build five one-man hordes with pillars of skulls and do research. By the time I got the 24-techs achievement, Estalia had apparently eaten Bretonnia offscreen, and VC had killed the Empire with the aid of Skaeling. I walked over to sack Baersonling a couple times and that was that, short campaign victory.
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Aug 24, 2016 09:06
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pnutz posted:any suggestions for the doomstack? I'm currently thinking chosen and dragon ogre spam. five exalted heroes and a magician of each type. Sigvald should be played like an RPG.
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Aug 24, 2016 09:51
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Krazyface posted:Did you remember to invade and subjugate immediately after you awaken a new tribe? Truly subjugated tribes will never turn on you or each other. This is no longer good advice to do after they patched it, now if you attack right after awakening to subjugate a tribe your diplomacy rating plummets to the biggest negative and has consequences. Meaning even subjugated tribes will be breaking away form you at first chance they get as well as making factions such as Greenskins and VC super likely to declare on you while otherwise its not too hard to avoid conflict with them(they're not part of your victory condition so you'd rather avoid war with either of them). Best bet nowadays is just to awaken them, then wait for them to declare on each other, pick a side and either subjugate or destroy the opposite side. Also the Norscean awakened tribes do not matter in the long run, who cares if they murder themselves forever up there, their only use is for Siglald's unlock and for faster replenish while you move trough that area of the map, and you don't want to stay up north for too long.
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Aug 24, 2016 10:48
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And got Call of the Beastmen and Grim and the Grave from my friend. Can't wait until I have the free time to play it.
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Aug 24, 2016 11:25
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Krazyface posted:Did you remember to invade and subjugate immediately after you awaken a new tribe? Truly subjugated tribes will never turn on you or each other. They actually can. If you declare on a tribe that you weren't already at war with, for example, your vassals may choose not to join you, thus breaking the alliance. I think it's the only way for a vassal to break their status outside of declaring war on the superior power. In one of my early campaigns, before I realized trying to take the whole North as Chaos is a waste of time, I went to war with some norse tribe and one of my vassals said "nah, gently caress that" and broke their treaty with me. So then I tried to re-subjugate that tribe and one of my other vassals decided "nah, gently caress that" and broke their status, and when I went to re-subjugate them a different vassal said "nah, gently caress that", etc. Eventually I just gave up and went south.
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It is funny to consider the chaos invasion as the rage of the frustrated nation builders. They couldn't build the Greater Norscan Empire, so gently caress it, BURN IT ALL DOWN.
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Aug 24, 2016 14:01
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My normal VC game is finally getting legs at turn 100. Orcs are shivving Dwarves for me, the Empire is only just expanding beyond the two provinces they've been squatting in all game (Empire Secessionists had a higher strength rating than them up until recently), Kraka Drak and Kislev are still up and at 'em to blunt the Chaos invasion for me, and I've finally figured out how to properly leverage my units to fight actual real battles, even when the odds are against me! Now that I've sorta got them figured out, VC are a hell of a lot of fun. Especially Terrorgheists - I played a dwarf siege and the sight of the giant vampire dragons swooping around and murdering the hell outta some dwarves was properly nerdchill-inducing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URX21pDclOo New lore Rallypoint. Edit: Volkmar gets -15% upkeep and +30% Wpn Damage for Flaggelants, starting army looks like Flaggelants, the Tattersouls, and Knights of the Blazing Sun. Knights of the Blazing Sun are pretty strong, somewhere between Empire Knights and Reiksguard overall, but that flaming damage makes them really good vs Vamps. Flaggelants look hilarious, no armor, no defense, unbreakable, crazy offense and damage output, especially under Volkster where they're rocking 57 Wpn damage on turn one. Volkmar's Chariot looks super pimp but I want to know what it actually does and if it can cast Banishment like in TT. Otherwise he's got some tweaks to the default Empire Campaign/Leadership trees and has powered up versions of all the Warrior Priest skills. Ghorst gives 20% replenishment map-wide and gives poison to his whole army as campaign bonuses, starting army is Graveguard, a Corpsecart, and The Dire Pack. His mount is...interesting. Gives him a huge HP pool and massive damage, but makes him as slow as a Zombie. He gets his special summon ability (Graveguard/Wight King) in place of the normal Raise Dead spell. Actually looks like a really interesting support-oriented legendary lord. madmac fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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Aug 24, 2016 14:35
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Anyone familiar with the TT/lore care to speculate what role Flagellants and the Free Company militia will play for empire armies?
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AttitudeAdjuster posted:Anyone familiar with the TT/lore care to speculate what role Flagellants and the Free Company militia will play for empire armies? I'm not familiar with either but the steam page for the DLC lists unit attributes: quote:Free Company Militia So Free Company Militia might make decent flank attackers (able to blast with pistols and fight decently in melee) as well as ambushers and the like due to vanguard deployment. Flagellants look to be shock troops but without the armour that greatswords have.
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Choyi posted:This is no longer good advice to do after they patched it, now if you attack right after awakening to subjugate a tribe your diplomacy rating plummets to the biggest negative and has consequences. They patched that? gently caress you CA. That made being up north bearable!
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Flaggelants are pretty crazy looking, 40 Melee Attack, 40 Dam (57 if you went Volkmar) unbreakable, frenzied, but zero armor and 10 defense. They will die like flies but never break and do insane damage.
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Choyi posted:This is no longer good advice to do after they patched it, now if you attack right after awakening to subjugate a tribe your diplomacy rating plummets to the biggest negative and has consequences. oh that's some piss right there. i bet that can be modded out, though. there are a couple of lines in diplomacy_current_treaties_to_diplomatic_options which govern which treaties can be canceled, and it looks like vassals of ai powers can never secede, but vassals of players can nope out. changing that true into a false might make this go away
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Arms flailing around in the corpse cart is a nice touch. Their stats look terrible though so I hope they aura they give is worth it or it'll end up as useful as the black coach. Ghorst starts with the prestige wolf pack so I assume they'll distribute other prestige units to the other lords. I don't see anything that's obviously his poison attacks in the skill point tree so I think he starts with them which makes his early game way easier than any other VC. Having all your zombies and skeletons be 25% more effective at everything than enemy units of the same type just seems like automatic victories. Someone was saying how it won't be a big deal in mp but this would be gamebreaking in mp but I'm pretty sure campaign bonuses don't apply to mp, especially since you can pick leaders who you can't pick in the campaign.
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Trujillo posted:Someone was saying how it won't be a big deal in mp but this would be gamebreaking in mp but I'm pretty sure campaign bonuses don't apply to mp, especially since you can pick leaders who you can't pick in the campaign. Can't wait to see Ghorst and Vlad in MP with the abilities intact and also they cost 4k for the bare frame.
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madmac posted:Flaggelants are pretty crazy looking, 40 Melee Attack, 40 Dam (57 if you went Volkmar) unbreakable, frenzied, but zero armor and 10 defense. They will die like flies but never break and do insane damage. good times were had with those dudes back in med 2, this will be no different 
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Kaza42 posted:Just had my match against Asmodai_00 Asmodai got off some beautiful rock throws against the Greatswords with his Cygor, which is why Kaza's units should have spread out and used thinner formations. Asmodai's timing on sending his dogs in was good. His Gors were wasted fighting the Steam Tank, maybe Khazrak could have done that since his chariot seems to make him armour-piercing. Karl Franz and the Steam Tank did a lot of the work this match, as you'd expect against Beastmen. Chaos vs Dwarfs: Asmodai made the classic mistake of setting up a gunline only to find that the Chaos player has brought a Hellcannon, forcing him into a hasty advance. He could have thinned out his formations to reduce losses to the explosions, because there's nothing quite like a Hellcannon for that. Not sure why Asmodai wanted to play on the Chaos Wastes map, but watching all those Chaos Warriors and Knights crest the hill and then descend en masse to massacre his Dwarfs was pretty epic. Round 2 post: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3779330&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=176#post463266988
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Already looking forward to taking over the world using Volkmar fielding armies of nothing but Flaggelants
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So going off the leak, which so far seems to have been accurate, wood elves should be the next dlc after grim and grave looks like. Can probably assume Brettonia will come with them.
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KnoxZone posted:Already looking forward to taking over the world using Volkmar fielding armies of nothing but Flaggelants I hope they have crazy screams.
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Mukip posted:Not sure why Asmodai wanted to play on the Chaos Wastes map I had no idea it was so veritcal. I just randomly picked one from the list for giggles. That being said those games were fun as hell. Asmodai_00 fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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It's looking like my GPU will be out of commission for a while so I don't think I'll be able to make my match Also new DLC looks amazing, definitely buying.
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What's the preferred multiplayer meetup group? Discord? Steam? Myspace?
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Free Company being hybrid units is going to be good just for the possibility of making an early-game Empire army that isn't 8 Swordsmen, 6 Crossbowmen, and 4 Spearmen all the drat time.
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Asmodai_00 posted:What's the preferred multiplayer meetup group? Discord? Steam? Myspace? Theoretically: Any of the above. Realistically: None of the above.
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Can't wait for a NIght Gobbo DLC with Skarsnik, Grom, and seventeen varieties of Squig.
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What I don't get was that if CA was going to pull a relative unknown for a legendary lord, why couldn't it have been Ushoran instead of another necromancer? It would of fit in with the regular lord they got and you could do something fairly interesting with the concept, considering he never went mad like the other Strigois. Give him the infiltration LL bonus that Vlad got because Ushoran is a high grade schemer. https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ushoran
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Asmodai_00 posted:What's the preferred multiplayer meetup group? Discord? Steam? Myspace? The true pro TWW'ers schedule matches using Xanga.
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Arcsquad12 posted:and seventeen varieties of Squig. At least after Radious gets his hands on it. Squigs with great weapons. Squigs with bows. Squig chariots. Squig doom divers. Immortal Squigs.
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pnutz posted:any suggestions for the doomstack? I'm currently thinking chosen and dragon ogre spam. A bazillion chosen and a few hellcannons work fine.
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DeathSandwich posted:What I don't get was that if CA was going to pull a relative unknown for a legendary lord, why couldn't it have been Ushoran instead of another necromancer? It would of fit in with the regular lord they got and you could do something fairly interesting with the concept, considering he never went mad like the other Strigois. Give him the infiltration LL bonus that Vlad got because Ushoran is a high grade schemer. Because they went all in on the book Sigmar's Blood; a fairly forgettable 8th edition campaign book. That's why all the Empire renown units are nobodies just like Ghorst. It gives the DLC a distinct theme but it has led to barrel scraping.
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So is it normal for the endgame to be curbstomping Chaos? In my restarted Dwarf game it's barely turn 90 and I've allied with every remaining non-evil faction, and Chaos is just bashing their heads against the Vampire Counts while my forces hit and run them, and on the other side, I have three stacks supporting the empire, which just recently led to a four-way gang bang of Archaeon and some Ever-Watching dude by Karl Franz, Gelt, and Ungrim (plus some other random Empire dude) in front of Altdorf.  Even the Border Princes are getting in on the action. Chaos corruption is way more annoying than Chaos themselves, but maybe I just haven't really seen the real trick they have up their sleeve.On the strategic tactics side, I've found baiting the Chaos hordes with my depleted stacks out ahead while an elite, reinforced stack stays in support range to be supremely effective. They just keep taking 2v1s over and over again and getting decimated. I've never played Chaos or anything so I have no idea where the gently caress they keep getting troops from, but unless they change their strategic center it's just going to be a meat grinder. e: god drat gently caress hellcannons though HiroProtagonist fucked around with this message at 23:18 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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I wonder if they'll make Free Company recruitable with no recruitment buildings. Hybrid troops that aren't good at anything, but can recruited anywhere at any time for cheap and can vanguard deploy seems like something that's kind of balanced. It give the Empire something to do when they have no recruitment buildings, at least.
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HiroProtagonist posted:e: god drat gently caress hellcannons though Artillery with unbreakable morale is the dumbest loving thing.
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