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computer parts posted:"Guys, Mitt Romney lost so obviously in 2032 we're going to have a Mormon President". You know that's not what Doc Hawkins meant when they talked about Goldwater's ideas, right? Besides, waitwhatno brought up Trump as a comparison to Europe's own batch of fascists. It's pretty likely that Le Pen will do a lot better than Trump, even if she doesn't win. And both the French Republicans and the Socialists have been seeking to attract her base for a while now. Both parties have no real solutions for France's economic issues so they're going for plan B: scapegoat the Muslims. You can guess what that brings to mind, I think.
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Kassad posted:You know that's not what Doc Hawkins meant when they talked about Goldwater's ideas, right? Yeah, they had some dumb "This happened 50 years ago so obviously it'll happen again" extrapolation in mind. Outside of white progressives that inhabit D&D, there is no group comparable to Reagan Democrats in the current Democratic Party, so there is no chance of Trump becoming a Goldwater figure. (Now France, yeah y'all are hosed)
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Aug 24, 2016 15:41
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The only thing that has a track record of stopping fascism so far is war. Last time we wen't into these waters it wasn't very cool for a lot of people.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:13
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Private Speech posted:Ehh it's possible that he's faced some abuse recently. I have anyway, and the Netherlands can be fairly hostile to EU migrants as well. Even if not as much as the UK. I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months and talked a lot with Eastern European expats and never heard about a single problem from any of them. It's probably the best/safest European country to emigrate to, next to Iceland. If you get to the point that fascist gangs roam the streets of Amsterdam and Den Hague, then the rest of the Europe would have already been turned into a Mad Max wasteland long before.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:22
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Doctor Malaver posted:I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months and talked a lot with Eastern European expats and never heard about a single problem from any of them. It's probably the best/safest European country to emigrate to, next to Iceland. If you get to the point that fascist gangs roam the streets of Amsterdam and Den Hague, then the rest of the Europe would have already been turned into a Mad Max wasteland long before. What about Ireland?
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Aug 24, 2016 16:30
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Fox Cunning posted:The only thing that has a track record of stopping fascism so far is war. Last time we wen't into these waters it wasn't very cool for a lot of people. Portugal and Spain got rid of theirs peacefully.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:37
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Give or take a few well placed bombs in Spain's case.
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Aug 24, 2016 16:51
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computer parts posted:Nah, dude's going to lose by a pretty large amount and his followers are all cowards so no glorious coup will come out of it. Would cowards bite people's face off and eat it?
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Aug 24, 2016 16:53
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Doctor Malaver posted:I lived in Amsterdam for 6 months and talked a lot with Eastern European expats and never heard about a single problem from any of them. It's probably the best/safest European country to emigrate to, next to Iceland. If you get to the point that fascist gangs roam the streets of Amsterdam and Den Hague, then the rest of the Europe would have already been turned into a Mad Max wasteland long before. I was just assuming because of PVV and based on what he posted. For what it's worth my Eastern European ex worked in a cafe in Haag for a summer and she really liked it there so you're probably right. Now in Britain, I dunno. There's always been a lot of nasty xenophobia around, but before the referendum it was more directed at Asians(meaning Indian in the UK)/East Asians/Muslims, now I've been told to "go back home" several times (including by pizza delivery guy, which was kinda funny because I was standing in my apartment at the time) and had a drunken English nationalist rant to me about how he has English blood and how foreigners aren't entitled to be in Britain and whatnot else. Anecdotal but there you go.
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Private Speech posted:I was just assuming because of PVV and based on what he posted. For what it's worth my Eastern European ex worked in a cafe in Haag for a summer and she really liked it there so you're probably right. Did you call and complain to the store? May as well get that piece of poo poo fired.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Did you call and complain to the store? May as well get that piece of poo poo fired. That was the first time it happened so I didn't, I was more shocked than anything to be honest. It was Dominoes for what it's worth, and he didn't really look like he has a lot going on in his life so I was a bit meh. e: As for the nationalist, well uhh I was drinking too and I didn't react very well, didn't get into a fight but he could probably accuse me of an assault if he wanted to. Maybe better to let it be. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Aug 24, 2016 |
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computer parts posted:Yeah, they had some dumb "This happened 50 years ago so obviously it'll happen again" extrapolation in mind. That's all kinda delusional. AFAIK Le Pen is polling at ~30%, while Trump is around ~40%. (And Trump's program is so much more extremist and opposed to western values than hers.) Yeah, Trump is not going to be there in 4 years, that's not the scary part. The scary part is that ~40% of your population has completely lost their minds and can easily be riled up to do anything some narcissistic demagogue wants them to do. For a completely arbitrary bullshit reason.
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Private Speech posted:he has English blood and how foreigners aren't entitled to be in Britain  He should try that in the Highlands or else gently caress off to the Low Countries.
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waitwhatno posted:That's all kinda delusional. AFAIK Le Pen is polling at ~30%, while Trump is around ~40%. (And Trump's program is so much more extremist and opposed to western values than hers.) Trump is in a (effectively) two-party system unlike Le Pen though.
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The scary future isn't Le Pen getting into office. That one is Sarkozy getting back in.
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How could Sarkozy be helped by a popular Le Pen ticket? Wouldn't they compete for the same vote share?
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Guavanaut posted:
Hey, the Angles came from northern Germany, don't foist those assholes off on us.
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Nyarlothotep posted:Hey, the Angles came from northern Germany, don't foist those assholes off on us.
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computer parts posted:Yeah, they had some dumb "This happened 50 years ago so obviously it'll happen again" extrapolation in mind. That's a good point, though I wasn't thinking so far as a future Reagan-analogue, just a viable Republican party with recognizably "Trumpist" policy positions. Which I suppose means it was even more of a shitpost than you thought! waitwhatno posted:Yeah, Trump is not going to be there in 4 years, that's not the scary part. The scary part is that ~40% of your population has completely lost their minds and can easily be riled up to do anything some narcissistic demagogue wants them to do. For a completely arbitrary bullshit reason. Well, I thought it was for reasons of economic stagnation shared to some degree between almost all the developed nations who are having similar outbreaks of populist isolationism...but I might be imagining the parallels there as well.
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Arglebargle III posted:How could Sarkozy be helped by a popular Le Pen ticket? Wouldn't they compete for the same vote share? I don't think he is. Her base distrust all "establishment" politicians and he's certainly no exception. No, I think what will really help him is that Hollande was supposed to be the lesser evil, uncharismatic but effective, but turned out to be poo poo. Edit: Hollande literally pledged not to run again if he failed to lower unemployment. Well, the election's in a little over 6 months away and unemployment is at 10%.
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Kassad posted:I don't think he is. Her base distrust all "establishment" politicians and he's certainly no exception. No, I think what will really help him is that Hollande was supposed to be the lesser evil, uncharismatic but effective, but turned out to be poo poo. Uh I think you'll find that in January 2016 unemployment was 10,2%, and last month was 9,9%, the lowest since January 2014(at 10,1%). So he's right on track it seems to secure nominations, and even reelection!
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I think Hollande is waiting to see the winner of the LR primaries: against Sarkozy, he may have his chances; but Juppé has wider appeal on the center, and that would make things very difficult for Hollande.
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double nine posted:So any italians in here? I hope you're all ok. yeah they just got lit up, or however you would call it. i thought you'd build safe when you're in such a seismically active zone
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Bourricot posted:I think Hollande is waiting to see the winner of the LR primaries: against Sarkozy, he may have his chances; but Juppé has wider appeal on the center, and that would make things very difficult for Hollande. Reminder that Juppé is the genius who wanted to sell Thomson (now Thales) for one (1) franc to Daewoo. As far as I'm concerned, the current crop of politician should be guillotined so that some fresh batch of incompetent assholes we haven't gotten to hate yet could get into power instead.
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Aug 24, 2016 22:49
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I'm glad Captain Cousteau isn't around to see this.
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We could have a discussion on Cousteau instead.my views:good comunicator,kinda lovely person.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Portugal and Spain got rid of theirs peacefully. Yeah, we "got rid" of our fascists peacefully by dolling out zero punishments for their crimes and leaving them largely in control of the economy. It has been working great for us.
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Stay safe, Italian scientists
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cool and good posted:Stay safe, Italian scientists Every Italian geologist suddenly has to take a sabbatical out of country.
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waitwhatno posted:That's all kinda delusional. AFAIK Le Pen is polling at ~30%, while Trump is around ~40%. 40% of the US presidential race gets you zero. 30% of the French Legislature race gives you massive influence.
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computer parts posted:40% of the US presidential race gets you zero. Le Pen isn't running for the French Legislature
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MeLKoR posted:Yeah, we "got rid" of our fascists peacefully by dolling out zero punishments for their crimes and leaving them largely in control of the economy. It has been working great for us. Ah yes, the secret formula to getting rid of fascist peacefully, invented and patented by the Iberian peninsula. 
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computer parts posted:40% of the US presidential race gets you zero. You do know France has a presidential race right. Also our parliamentary system is massively anti-democratic (think Great Britain parliamentary elections, except with a run off system added on top) so her party is unlikely to gain a massive influence there.
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computer parts posted:40% of the US presidential race gets you zero. Maybe you should actually learn about the French election system before posting about it? 30% of the vote for the French Legislature gives you nothing, as it's a 2 stage majority election system, but nice try.
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