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Saeku posted:On the topic of simulation hypothesis: I met a Rationalist who said he tried his best to spend his life around influencers and great men. If outsiders are simulating this world to observe it, at some point they might turn off the boring parts of the simulation to save processing power, so he wanted to be in the interesting part. How the hell are they supposed to know what is actually of interest to "the observers?" I mean, for all we know, every human is an NPC, and the "observers" are actually trying to figure out the minutia of everyday house cat existence.
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Space Poodle posted:How the hell are they supposed to know what is actually of interest to "the observers?" I mean, for all we know, every human is an NPC, and the "observers" are actually trying to figure out the minutia of everyday house cat existence. It's all for the beetles. This is a known fact.
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Aug 25, 2016 19:29
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Space Poodle posted:How the hell are they supposed to know what is actually of interest to "the observers?" I mean, for all we know, every human is an NPC, and the "observers" are actually trying to figure out the minutia of everyday house cat existence. hypothesis confirmed: simulationists are just 21st century theists
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Aug 25, 2016 19:31
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The Vosgian Beast posted:It's all for the beetles. This is a known fact. Bat pathology. I'd toxx for it.
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Saeku posted:On the topic of simulation hypothesis: I met a Rationalist who said he tried his best to spend his life around influencers and great men. If outsiders are simulating this world to observe it, at some point they might turn off the boring parts of the simulation to save processing power, so he wanted to be in the interesting part. It's only a small step from there to some versions of the Joker.
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Aschlafly posted:hypothesis confirmed: simulationists are just 21st century theists I think theists are 21st century theists
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Aug 25, 2016 19:39
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So do all these guys just think we're in Dwarf Fortress? If so I will point out that Dwarf Fortress deactivated a capitalist economy because it did nothing but gently caress everything up and make matters unmanageable.
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Aug 25, 2016 19:44
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Saeku posted:On the topic of simulation hypothesis: I met a Rationalist who said he tried his best to spend his life around influencers and great men. If outsiders are simulating this world to observe it, at some point they might turn off the boring parts of the simulation to save processing power, so he wanted to be in the interesting part. If the observers wanted to save processing power, wouldn't they delete the people leeching of the influencers and great men first?
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Aug 25, 2016 20:14
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MizPiz posted:If the observers wanted to save processing power, wouldn't they delete the people leeching of the influencers and great men first? *Alt-righter is turned off while right in the middle of a conversation with Mark Twain and Steven Hawking* Hawking: Thank. God. Can. You. Believe. That. Guy? Twain: I knoooooowwww, right?
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Aug 25, 2016 20:24
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The alt-right and other crackpots are like Wheatley, from Portal 2, feeding us a constant stream of terrible ideas to prevent us from figuring out too much
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Aug 25, 2016 20:47
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Phew, Vox Day has cleared it all up for us! The, uh, sixteen core beliefs of the alt-right. "TL;DR: The Alt Right is a Western ideology that believes in science, history, reality, and the right of a genetic nation to exist and govern itself in its own interests." Glad that's settled.
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Aug 25, 2016 22:47
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Simulation is another vehicle in the 9000 car pileup of humans ascribing motivation to the nature of the universe.
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Aug 25, 2016 22:52
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divabot posted:Phew, Vox Day has cleared it all up for us! The, uh, sixteen core beliefs of the alt-right. And Christianity! Sorry atheist alt righters.
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Aug 25, 2016 22:53
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ikanreed posted:And Christianity! Sorry atheist alt righters. Vox Day posted:10: The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means. Huh, so I suppose I can assume that these "Alt-right" folks strongly believe white people should get out of the Americas, Australia, and South Africa and move back to Europe, then!
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Aug 25, 2016 23:23
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Huh, so I suppose I can assume that these "Alt-right" folks strongly believe white people should get out of the Americas, Australia, and South Africa and move back to Europe, then! But which part of Europe? Choose carefully! Vox Day posted:The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist  I hope we get all 15 Spains 
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Woolie Wool posted:Since we're on Vox Day, from this RationalWiki summation of the Puppies bullshit on his RW entry:  "Chrysalids, eh? Sounds like it's about bug people. Probably samurai bugs! Yeah, no need to read it first, I'm set." the book is about psychic kids in a religious fundamentalist post nuclear war Newfoundland. there are no bug people
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:My favourite example of the illustrator not doing their homework: I remember Robert Silverberg once mentioning that he got a lot more sympathetic to SF illustrators once he learned a lot of them weren't even given copies of the stories they were supposed to illustrate for.
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Aug 26, 2016 00:19
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Curvature of Earth posted:But which part of Europe? Choose carefully!  ETA: I like that even before Europeans moved in, there was STILL loving nothing in Kansas.
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Aug 26, 2016 00:38
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pookel posted:I hope we get all of these: That map doesn't have the Tongva people 
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:My favourite example of the illustrator not doing their homework: Pity it's totally wrong, because that elderly bug-man samurai is  .
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Silver2195 posted:Pity it's totally wrong, because that elderly bug-man samurai is I was getting more of a Scotsman Mantis vibe, somehow. I read The Chrysalids and I remember it being decent.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I remember Robert Silverberg once mentioning that he got a lot more sympathetic to SF illustrators once he learned a lot of them weren't even given copies of the stories they were supposed to illustrate for. Generally the illustrator gets MAYBE a passage from the book, if not just the art director saying "Hey draw something here's your title, here's what I want to see, here's your deadline OK GO." (Of course, the AD usually hasn't read much/any of the book, either, because they have to get covers for ALL THE BOOKS. Publishing is kind of insane that way.)
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Nessus posted:So do all these guys just think we're in Dwarf Fortress? If so I will point out that Dwarf Fortress deactivated a capitalist economy because it did nothing but gently caress everything up and make matters unmanageable. Honestly Dwarf Fortress is a fairly interesting way to conceptualize a god or gods. Though if real life is like dwarf fort the boring parts of the world are only boring because they haven't been expanded yet, and those boring parts definitely aren't the poor people struggling to survive as that's among the first things modeled. Like dwarf fort only fairly recently added immigration by different races and it's a fairly useless means of getting people with different physical or technological advantages than your dwarves. So even within their own fantasy the alt-right is wrong.
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Curvature of Earth posted:But which part of Europe? Choose carefully! Wow, the division of Germany is super arbitrary. Also lol at Estonia being on that map. They had a major problem after the fall of the USSR deciding if they were even a real people or not.
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divabot posted:Phew, Vox Day has cleared it all up for us! The, uh, sixteen core beliefs of the alt-right.
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John Big Booty posted:Sweet Jesus, he went full 14 Words. I mean he's not actually wrong.
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chrisoya posted:"14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children." I lose track of these shitheads, is Vox Day one of the ones who angrily denies being a white supremacist?
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Puppy Time posted:Generally the illustrator gets MAYBE a passage from the book, if not just the art director saying "Hey draw something here's your title, here's what I want to see, here's your deadline OK GO."  The Chrysalids was a good book but it would probably have been improved by elderly samurai bug men.I bet there are some covers that are dead-on perfect just from knowing the title, but we'd never know because we'd just assume the illustrator actually knew what the book was about.
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Curvature of Earth posted:But which part of Europe? Choose carefully! Independent Kainuu is incredibly random.
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proofread "The Blind All-Seeing Eye of Gamergate" for Phil Sandifer, it should be live Saturday holy poo poo how did this thread get to page 305
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Stefu posted:Independent Kainuu is incredibly random. I'm in the middle of reading this excellent book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vanished-K...nished+kingdoms One of the main takeaways is that national identity, far from being timeless and set in stone, is actually incredibly fluid. There's thousands of years of history absolutely full of mass migrations, assimilations, and the like that renders nationalism pretty meaningless. Even on that map there's tons of really arbitrary stuff, especially in southern Europe.
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divabot posted:proofread "The Blind All-Seeing Eye of Gamergate" for Phil Sandifer, it should be live Saturday I put $10 on 300+ death threats Tesseraction has a new favorite as of 13:42 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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divabot posted:proofread "The Blind All-Seeing Eye of Gamergate" for Phil Sandifer, it should be live Saturday It's quite something how this went from laughing at horrible weirdos on the Internet to discussing a political phenomenon of national importance. Well, if we're talking the alt-right in general, anyway. Don't think that Trump's going to start quoting from Methods of Rationality any time soon. Probably.
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Darth Walrus posted:It's quite something how this went from laughing at horrible weirdos on the Internet to discussing a political phenomenon of national importance. The Dark Enlightenment is the 'academia' to the Breitbart-crowd's 'practice' - just like economic scholars and political scholars theorise and politicians put versions of those ideas into practice as far as pragmatically possible. What'll be worrying is if the Dork Entitlement crowd actually manage to come up with a coherent vision for their underlying viewpoint ("gently caress minorities") rather than the Taz-like tantrums they currently throw out via word salad.
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Mineaiki posted:Also lol at Estonia being on that map. They had a major problem after the fall of the USSR deciding if they were even a real people or not. What the hell are you going on about? Do you imagine they also had this problem back in 1918 when they first became independent?
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Tesseraction posted:I put $10 on 300+ death threats
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Well hell, maybe the alt-right publicity will sell some Neoreaction A Basilisk ebooks.Qwertycoatl posted:I lose track of these shitheads, is Vox Day one of the ones who angrily denies being a white supremacist? He's a proud white supremacist who believes that he alone, unique among people with nonwhite ancestry, can be tolerated in white societies.
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Pope Guilty posted:Well hell, maybe the alt-right publicity will sell some Neoreaction A Basilisk ebooks. It's sad what people will convince themselves of when they get used to a tolerant, open society.
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Mineaiki posted:Wow, the division of Germany is super arbitrary. Also lol at Estonia being on that map. They had a major problem after the fall of the USSR deciding if they were even a real people or not. I like how the Italian country of "Padania", literally "the land of the Po river", starts from the mountain range where the Po valley ends. The whole division of Italy doesn't make any loving sense, anyway, it's based on current regions in the north and more or less arbitrary in the rest of the country. See this map of Italian dialects for comparison: 
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Yeah nationalism is stupid for the same reason that racism is stupid: there are no objective ways to delineate nation nor race. Eventually it all turns into the awesome Emo Phillips joke:Emo Phillips posted:Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
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