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sbaldrick posted:That's way to high for an elevator tradesman unless his Dad owns the company. No, it's about right. It's the highest paid trade job if I remember correctly.
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Lmao if you think it's equivalent to get a degree at Waterloo over loving ivy league out Caltech or mit or Stanford because that just tells me you're a loving stemlord who has no idea what university is for Maybe if you consider canpols most famous mcgill grad and cuckold to be a shining example of Canadian success
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Just for your own edification, go and look up ubc's highest paid profs and tell me how many of them are in ECE or cs or math. The answer is none of them. In fact they're all in sauder teaching real estate (Somerville, David off). Even Jenny Bryan who is loving legit because even I know who she is and blah blah def knows her only makes like 130k/year so gently caress UBC
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Aug 26, 2016 05:18
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The real story behind that physics professor leaving right after being hired wasn't that she couldn't buy a house in Vancouver, she left because she realized UBC is a degree mill for Chinese brats and has zero meaningful research going on.
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THE BEATWEAVER posted:The real story behind that physics professor leaving right after being hired wasn't that she couldn't buy a house in Vancouver, she left because she realized UBC is a degree mill for Chinese brats and has zero meaningful research going on. No you see UBC is literally Canada's Caltech because
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Aug 26, 2016 05:22
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UBC is a glorified parking lot for cars worth more than $100k.
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quaint bucket posted:No, it's about right. It's the highest paid trade job if I remember correctly. It is by far the highest paid trades job but it's only like 45 bucks an hour and they only work 9 to 5 for the most part because gently caress you.
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Aug 26, 2016 05:40
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sbaldrick posted:only like 45 bucks an hour
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http://thetyee.ca/News/2015/03/18/Tsur-Somerville-Observer-Or-Player/ lmao this motherfucker made 243k and this motherfucker made 220k http://salaries.ubyssey.ca/salaries/employee/thomas-davidoff hey how many of you thought that waterloo would become a world leader in particle physics afgter they made a bullshit patronage chair for that egnomaniacal ~celebrity physicist~ be honest now
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THE BEATWEAVER posted:The real story behind that physics professor leaving right after being hired wasn't that she couldn't buy a house in Vancouver, she left because she realized UBC is a degree mill for Chinese brats and has zero meaningful research going on. The UBC physics dept benefits from TRIUMF (Canada's major physics lab and accelerator) literally being just down the road. It's certainly not Harvard, but they have fairly strong nuclear and particle physics groups. edit: Ha, I just saw that Carl Wieman (Bose-Einstein condensate Nobel laureate) also ditched UBC after only a few years. Maybe there's something in the water. Nocturtle fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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THE BEATWEAVER posted:If you're some self-made hotshot like Subjunctive, I guess. Nobody cared about my degree, because I don't have one.
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namaste faggots posted:Lmao if you think it's equivalent to get a degree at Waterloo over loving ivy league out Caltech or mit or Stanford because that just tells me you're a loving stemlord who has no idea what university is for Waterloo is probably not even in the top 50 universities in North America from an academic/research perspective, but they are incredibly good at placing people in tech jobs. Here's some data: More H-1B applicants at Microsoft come from Waterloo than anywhere else: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Microsoft/356252.htm At Google, it's #2: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Google/225093.htm At Facebook, it's #5: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Google/225093.htm At Amazon, it's #1: http://www.myvisajobs.com/Visa-Sponsor/Amazon/29271.htm
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sbaldrick posted:It is by far the highest paid trades job but it's only like 45 bucks an hour and they only work 9 to 5 for the most part because gently caress you. "only" 45 bucks an hour is almost $100,000 per year.
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PK loving SUBBAN posted:Likewise, what's the point of living in thriving multicultural metropolis when you could just live in Winnpeg? That's a good point, just leave Vancouver and move to New York already.
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Because you need a Nobel laureate teaching to get the most out of STATS 200  Again, if you want to end up in a very specific situation, like getting a great job directly out of undergrad at a top SV company, then sure you should cough up the 65k USD a year it costs to attend Caltech or wherever as an international student. But otherwise going to U of T or Waterloo would provide an education that will give you all the skills you need and a degree that is respected by many Americans for a fraction of the price. Big name scholars don't really matter unless you're planning to attend grad school at that institution, and I would always try attend a top grad program in the US or the UK instead (as I did).
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Anecdotal: I've interviewed many IT candidates from UBC that managed to squeeze through to the on-site tech interview, yet couldn't code anything the haven't explicitly done as an assignment. Never happened with a Waterloo candidate. I don't know if it's because UBC grads are better bullshiters, or if WAT has a better program though.
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Aramis posted:Anecdotal: Waterloo is probably better at detecting cheaters, I'm guessing. Cheating is rampant is IT and CS; you can certainly get through a degree while knowing basically nothing, if you want to. I wouldn't trust a degree from a Canadian university alone if I were going to hire someone for any skilled position, I'll promise you that. Especially from the two universities I went to, because I saw just how poo poo they were.
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PT6A posted:I wouldn't trust a degree from a Canadian university alone if I were going to hire someone for any skilled position, I'll promise you that. Especially from the two universities I went to, because I saw just how poo poo they were. The dirty secret is that your Ivy Leagues, Stanfords, etc. are just as bad if not worse, because they have to deal with legacy admissions on a scale unparalleled in Canada, concerted efforts by Greek organizations to organize cheating, absurd grade inflation, and entitled rich kids whose parents are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. I personally have witnessed and reported cheating several times at the Ivy League institution I'm currently doing my PhD at only for it to get swept under the rug. Two anecdotes: 1. I personally called out one poo poo for blatantly cheating on an extremely basic quiz and he sneered in my face when I told him I was going to report him for it. When the prof threatened to punish him he claimed that he had a panic attack during the quiz because he has ADHD (which is total bullshit) and that he'd let his disability status lapse. I later learned from a couple of friends who did their undergrads at Ivy Leagues that it's not uncommon for savvy students at Ivy Leagues to arrange to register as having ADHD or some other minor disability because they can use that status to get out of all kinds of situations. Because of LinkedIn requests I know that this kid works for a hedge fund now. 2. I'm friends with a guy whose wife is privy to all kinds of dirty deets at the university I attend and he told me about a case where a rich kid in a powerful frat dateraped a girl and was set to be expelled for it. His parents threatened to sue the university because their son wasn't being allowed to graduate (he was like 4.5 credits short of finishing his degree), so they let him come back, finish his courses, and graduate instead. The university apparently regularly covers up cases of cheating and other student misconduct because they don't want wealthy donors to see lawsuits over legacy admissions.
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Yeah, I don't doubt any of that. I actually have a disability I could've used to get extra time and "accommodations" and I didn't because it didn't really affect my work and I didn't want extra time or accommodations because I'm not whiny, incompetent little poo poo*. * I'm calling out people who abuse disability accommodations when they don't need them, not people who legitimately need them, to be clear -- it's like parking in a handicapped spot when you don't need to.
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Subjunctive posted:Nobody cared about my degree, because I don't have one. been around the valley, seen mcgillers squeal for jobs like dumb piggies but me im makin deece figgies and i don't even have a degree
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I think I would avoid hiring McGill grads out of spite. I'm not a good alumnus. EDIT: Spite, and also because there's a 95% chance they're retarded and only got their degree by cheating.
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PT6A posted:I think I would avoid hiring McGill grads out of spite. I'm not a good alumnus. Same, but UBC.
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Is there a single sane Canadian who still holds even an iota of respect for their alma mater?
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PT6A posted:Is there a single sane Canadian who still holds even an iota of respect for their alma mater? I did my undergrad at UVic and my MA at McGill and I think both are fine. You guys need a bit of perspective on things. McGill undergrads in my experience were actually above average if only because many are from Quebec and CEGEP is actually a pretty good system for preparing people for an undergrad education. MeinPanzer fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Aug 26, 2016 |
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dicks assassin posted:"only" 45 bucks an hour is almost $100,000 per year.
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MeinPanzer posted:I did my undergrad at UVic and my MA at McGill and I think both are fine. You guys need a bit of perspective on things. You got an MA so your opinion is already tainted and incorrect All universities are scams
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The faculty seemed fine, even good to great, at both universities I attended, but as Calvin and Hobbes pointed out, what you get out of education depends on what you put into it, and most of the students were not putting very much into it. Thus, the university itself can be full of good people and the average quality of the student making it out can still be trash. It will continue until they actually start to care about undergraduate education, which will be never because there will never be a reason for them to care.
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Fried Watermelon posted:You got an MA so your opinion is already tainted and incorrect the key is to not pay for your MA
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We should measure comp sci degree quality in what percentage of graduates give up after a year or two to become real estate agents instead.
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quote:The faculty seemed fine, even good to great, at both universities I attended, but as Calvin and Hobbes pointed out, what you get out of education depends on what you put into it, and most of the students were not putting very much into it. Yes, but this is universal. making GBS threads on Canadian universities in particular doesn't make sense. Dreylad posted:the key is to not pay for your MA Exactly. You should never have to pay a dime to attend a postgrad program. What most people don't realize is that universities are basically two-layer institutions. On the one hand you have undergrads who pay a premium to get some basic skills and a degree; they actually get taught and graded by grad students most of the time. On the other hand you have postgrads, whose education is subsidized by the tuition undergrads pay; the big name professors are there to attract them so that universities can get funding and distinguish itself.
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MeinPanzer posted:Yes, but this is universal. making GBS threads on Canadian universities in particular doesn't make sense. Yeah but I can pretend it's not true because I haven't seen it with my own eyes. 
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Getting paid to do your graduate program is nice and all, but you're still paying full time tuition every semester. Even if you're TAing consistently through out the year (which is not always possible), you're likely netting just around minimum wage to subsist off of, barring some nice scholarships. I averaged out around ~$26000 a year during my grad studies (masters), minus ~$9000 for tuition. Not going into further debt is nice, but barring external support you're probably going to be poor as poo poo.
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PT6A posted:Is there a single sane Canadian who still holds even an iota of respect for their alma mater? Many college grads do.
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my brother in law got his engineering degree at ubc and he's a really good engineer (apparently) but whenever the topic moves away from engineering it's like talking to kaspar hauser
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A lot of people in Barrie have "Georgian College" looks-like-metal-but-is-plastic car sticker things. Not actual bumper stickers, but fancier than that. They're super proud of having gone to Georgian.
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I'm guessing people in Barrie have precious little else to be proud of.
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MeinPanzer posted:Because you need a Nobel laureate teaching to get the most out of STATS 200 Again, nobody actually ends up paying $65,000 unless they're rich. MeinPanzer posted:Big name scholars don't really matter unless you're planning to attend grad school at that institution, and I would always try attend a top grad program in the US or the UK instead (as I did). If you don't think going to a big-name institution as an undergrad gives you a better shot at getting into a better grad program, you aren't paying attention. MeinPanzer posted:The dirty secret is that your Ivy Leagues, Stanfords, etc. are just as bad if not worse, because they have to deal with legacy admissions on a scale unparalleled in Canada, concerted efforts by Greek organizations to organize cheating, absurd grade inflation, and entitled rich kids whose parents are ready to sue at the drop of a hat. I personally have witnessed and reported cheating several times at the Ivy League institution I'm currently doing my PhD at only for it to get swept under the rug. You're kidding yourself if you think this doesn't happen more at universities in Canada. Harvard students aren't the ones making heavy use of essay mills.
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a fleshy snood posted:Getting paid to do your graduate program is nice and all, but you're still paying full time tuition every semester. Even if you're TAing consistently through out the year (which is not always possible), you're likely netting just around minimum wage to subsist off of, barring some nice scholarships. I averaged out around ~$26000 a year during my grad studies (masters), minus ~$9000 for tuition. Not going into further debt is nice, but barring external support you're probably going to be poor as poo poo. I know this varies from field to field, but for good programs it's simply not true. The program I'm in now and the one I was in at McGill had full tuition remission plus a good fellowship with a fixed, guaranteed teaching load, and in both cases I had a multi-year Canadian government scholarship on top of that. I'm by no means rich right now, but between my fellowship funding package and some external sources of funding I make as much as a lot of middle class workers but I don't have to pay nearly as much in taxes. Programs that make funding contingent on teaching availability are sleazy (this is true also of a lot of public universities in the US - even at schools like Berkeley funding in grad programs is provisional and can drop from year to year). Basically if you don't want to live like a pauper as a grad student you need to go to a top-tier private university.
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tagesschau posted:Harvard students aren't the ones making heavy use of essay mills. I guarantee you that they are.
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