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EndOfTheWorld
Jul 22, 2004

I'm an excellent critic! I automatically know when someone's done a bad job. Before you ask, yes it's a mixed blessing.
Cybernetic Crumb

SlothfulCobra posted:

You know, I was wondering why nearly all the dynamorphs are anthropomorphic animals, until it hit me that they're probably still cameo-ing backers.

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/the-secret-furry-patrons-keeping-indie-artists-afloat.html

In olden times it was "Here's a bag of florins! Paint me Jesus but with my son's face!" and now it's "I'm a highly paid single nerd! Please draw me as a polyamorous man-ferret in your comic about socially conscious superheroes, please!" Better? Worse? Who can say?!

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RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
SHAVE ME FROM MY SHELF

EndOfTheWorld posted:

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/the-secret-furry-patrons-keeping-indie-artists-afloat.html

In olden times it was "Here's a bag of florins! Paint me Jesus but with my son's face!" and now it's "I'm a highly paid single nerd! Please draw me as a polyamorous man-ferret in your comic about socially conscious superheroes, please!" Better? Worse? Who can say?!

It's a much more ethical way to produce pornography imo

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:



quote:

self-described furry community historian Colin Spacetwinks

It's a better online handle than I've ever had.

Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug

Flesh Forge posted:

:iceburn:

e: I think Brad's "solution" was disappointing and it's unfortunate that the character is not allowed to say "Hey Teresa, what you're saying is exactly the same as the hard right republican confederate flag waver types say about the quote unquote bathroom law that was so embarrassingly lovely for the entire country, maybe you need to get the gently caress out of here and go rethink your attitude on someone who is literally transgendered and how they fit into your safe space concept"

instead

So not actually a fan of the nuance then?

Boxman posted:

It's a better online handle than I've ever had.

Ditto

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Oh you mean like the nuance the comic is really good at and employs all the time?

the nuance here is "It's really complicated, even safe spacers need room to be breathtakingly intolerant too!"

Trast
Oct 20, 2010

Three games, thousands of playthroughs. 90% of the players don't know I exist. Still a redhead saving the galaxy with a [Right Hook].

:edi:

Boxman posted:

It's a better online handle than I've ever had.

Colin Spacetwinks sounds like Chuck Tingle's arch nemesis.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

EndOfTheWorld posted:

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/the-secret-furry-patrons-keeping-indie-artists-afloat.html

In olden times it was "Here's a bag of florins! Paint me Jesus but with my son's face!" and now it's "I'm a highly paid single nerd! Please draw me as a polyamorous man-ferret in your comic about socially conscious superheroes, please!" Better? Worse? Who can say?!

I couldn't do it for long. It sounds great on paper but furries, at least the ones who wanted to pay me, tend to get super obnoxious and clingy about commissions and it doesn't take long before you start hating everything. Maybe if I was a better artist I'd have been making enough money that I could overlook how lovely the people were. :shrug:

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Honestly, it's not like the furry cameos are any more out of place than the human ones.

It's a bit of a shame to hear that Furries are the pillar upon which many independent artists are supported, but I guess that's doing business on the internet for you.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

EndOfTheWorld posted:

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/08/the-secret-furry-patrons-keeping-indie-artists-afloat.html

In olden times it was "Here's a bag of florins! Paint me Jesus but with my son's face!" and now it's "I'm a highly paid single nerd! Please draw me as a polyamorous man-ferret in your comic about socially conscious superheroes, please!" Better? Worse? Who can say?!

This gives me a great idea for a Photoshop Phriday.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013
I'm just trying to figure out whether 'they' means some kind of a symbiote or just a single person's preferred pronoun.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Dogwood Fleet posted:

I'm just trying to figure out whether 'they' means some kind of a symbiote or just a single person's preferred pronoun.

Try to think of the most stupid reasoning. It's probably such a parody of a safe space, that they outright banned the use of pronouns at the convention. Or that person is extra careful with the wording, because it would sort of kill the mood, if someone would Interrupt this statement with, "Excuse me, this is a place where everyone is welcome and your use of this denominating language really makes people uncomfortable. Could you please leave?"

This comic often reads like it's written by a socially conservative person who really tries to write liberal characters without understanding where they are coming from. Allison is often a political straw man. But she's so hard to relate to, that it sort of feels like the writer doesn't even agree with her.

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 27, 2016

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Air is lava! posted:

Try to think of the most stupid reasoning. It's probably such a parody of a safe space, that they outright banned the use of pronouns at the convention. Or that person is extra careful with the wording, because it would sort of kill the mood, if someone would Interrupt this statement with, "Excuse me, this is a place where everyone is welcome and your use of this denominating language really makes people uncomfortable. Could you please leave?"

This comic often reads like it's written by a socially conservative person who really tries to write liberal characters without understanding where they are coming from. Allison is often a political straw man. But she's so hard to relate to, that it sort of feels like the writer doesn't even agree with her.

I thought Dax was the most stupid reasoning. Third person they isn't that weird and is at least 10 years overdue and probably closer to 60.

cant cook creole bream
Aug 15, 2011
I think Fahrenheit is better for weather

Dogwood Fleet posted:

I thought Dax was the most stupid reasoning. Third person they isn't that weird and is at least 10 years overdue and probably closer to 60.

Fair enough. For what it's worth I don't actually disagree with this. The way this comic expresses itself can just feel so patronizing that it doesn't feel genuine.

Sorry, I'm most likely way overthinking things.

cant cook creole bream fucked around with this message at 22:34 on Aug 27, 2016

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG

Air is lava! posted:

Try to think of the most stupid reasoning. It's probably such a parody of a safe space, that they outright banned the use of pronouns at the convention.

I don't think this comic ever really does parody. (if I understood what you'e saying)

Air is lava! posted:

doesn't feel genuine.

that's fer drat sure

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Flesh Forge posted:

I don't think this comic ever really does parody. (if I understood what you'e saying)

I think he's saying it feels like parody, because it's so poorly handled at every level that it feels like a social conservative's stereotype of what the ideas are.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
SHAVE ME FROM MY SHELF
God dammit, I just realized I have Clevin's exact haircut.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
The fact that her overarching project has all of maybe two sentences written about it, and that Allison's other agenda items are 'war', 'poverty', 'corruption', and 'the evil that lurks in the hearts of men' makes me think that she really has no idea what she's doing. She says she's focused in on a single topic (it was domestic violence, right?), but she doesn't seem to have any real ability to think in terms of building an actual organization.

Basically what I am saying is that Brad is a great, and would probably wind up being the member of the team most fondly remembered by history if things kept their current trajectory.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012
Courtesy link
http://strongfemaleprotagonist.com/issue-6/page-76-3/

The Lord of Hats posted:

The fact that her overarching project has all of maybe two sentences written about it, and that Allison's other agenda items are 'war', 'poverty', 'corruption', and 'the evil that lurks in the hearts of men' makes me think that she really has no idea what she's doing. She says she's focused in on a single topic (it was domestic violence, right?), but she doesn't seem to have any real ability to think in terms of building an actual organization.

This plot has beaten this horse so badly it's more of a salsa filled indent in the ground. She cannot stop looking at the macro view of the problems of the world because that's all she cares about. I applaud her for taking "join Brad's support group" off her ticker because she probably realized she isn't equipped mentally to help there, but at the same time this is the kind of organization she could learn from.

I think this is my biggest hangup with this series, the lack of change in Allison's character.

Wittgen
Oct 13, 2012

We have decided to decline your offer of a butt kicking.
Project Valkyrie: It's like uber, but for superheroes.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe
Are the black dots/lines under each of the headers just to provide space, or are they filler? Am I alone in thinking that looks like a way to just fill space, without actually doing anything?

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

I assume that its supposed to be visual filler reflecting that she has put something under those headings (like 'can't punch this away') under poverty without having to actually put it in. Although I don't know why the artist wouldn't use squiggles for that, which I think is the more common way to show 'text that you don't need to really read' in a picture. Or use it as a chance to make a couple amusing gags.


On the art note, Clevin's glasses look terrible in panel 3. I understand that they're supposed to be half-frames, but the way the big thick bar bisects his iris is just really clumsy.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
What the gently caress kind of bullshit name is Clevin, who names their child that. What the hell is going on with that guys name? Why isn't Alison immediately trying to figure out why his parents named him Clevin.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Hollismason posted:

Why isn't Alison immediately trying to figure out why his parents named him Clevin.

She's working her way up to it with easier puzzles, like poverty.

EndOfTheWorld
Jul 22, 2004

I'm an excellent critic! I automatically know when someone's done a bad job. Before you ask, yes it's a mixed blessing.
Cybernetic Crumb

Hollismason posted:

What the gently caress kind of bullshit name is Clevin, who names their child that. What the hell is going on with that guys name? Why isn't Alison immediately trying to figure out why his parents named him Clevin.

This comic could easily redeem itself by having Alison find Clevin stuffed into a refrigerator. It's a fun little inversion on misogynistic comic book imagery AND we'd never have to see Clevin again (except in Flashbacks, which will happen every chapter, when Alison mournfully remembers the sad little boy who could have been.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Clevin is an audience stand in, so don't expect that.

e: or maybe Author's stand in

Avshalom
Feb 14, 2012

by Lowtax
it means clever kevin

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Ashcans posted:

I assume that its supposed to be visual filler reflecting that she has put something under those headings (like 'can't punch this away') under poverty without having to actually put it in. Although I don't know why the artist wouldn't use squiggles for that, which I think is the more common way to show 'text that you don't need to really read' in a picture. Or use it as a chance to make a couple amusing gags.


On the art note, Clevin's glasses look terrible in panel 3. I understand that they're supposed to be half-frames, but the way the big thick bar bisects his iris is just really clumsy.

That's bullshit. Not from you, from the artist. gently caress that, it's a word file with loving six headings on it and one line of text below each. Leave it blank to show her not having ideas. Have it just be continued agonizing over these ideas. Have it be the obvious logistical problems. There are so many options.

I'm starting to think I need to just kill my habit of reading this comic and delete the bookmark, the few flashes of good stuff since the Feral arc aren't worth it.

Bruceski
Aug 21, 2007

The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Hollismason posted:

What the gently caress kind of bullshit name is Clevin, who names their child that. What the hell is going on with that guys name? Why isn't Alison immediately trying to figure out why his parents named him Clevin.

I've known worse.

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

Bruceski posted:

I've known worse.

Brought To You By
Oct 31, 2012

What kills me aren't the terrible names themselves, but the one they settled on doesn't rhyme with the rest.

Elysiume
Aug 13, 2009

Alone, she fights.

Brought To You By posted:

What kills me aren't the terrible names themselves, but the one they settled on doesn't rhyme with the rest.
The n's are silent

AnonSpore
Jan 19, 2012

"I didn't see the part where he develops as a character so I guess he never developed as a character"

Brought To You By posted:

What kills me aren't the terrible names themselves, but the one they settled on doesn't rhyme with the rest.

You just aren't trying hard enough

Atmus
Mar 8, 2002

Brought To You By posted:

Courtesy link
http://strongfemaleprotagonist.com/issue-6/page-76-3/


This plot has beaten this horse so badly it's more of a salsa filled indent in the ground. She cannot stop looking at the macro view of the problems of the world because that's all she cares about. I applaud her for taking "join Brad's support group" off her ticker because she probably realized she isn't equipped mentally to help there, but at the same time this is the kind of organization she could learn from.

I think this is my biggest hangup with this series, the lack of change in Allison's character.

Realistically, she probably removed "Join Brad's Support Group" because she tried and failed/he asked her to leave or whatever.

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?

Atmus posted:

Realistically, she probably removed "Join Brad's Support Group" because she tried and failed/he asked her to leave or whatever.

That wouldn't be in character for Brad at all. He spoke up when he was concerned that she was viewing this as a networking opportunity, but otherwise he was happy for her to sit in and learn. I think it's more a matter of her realizing that her issues just don't align with the support group very well. She got a valuable experience out of attending, but for different reasons than what joining would give her.

Atmus
Mar 8, 2002
Could be, but I still think the only reason she bothered showing up is because she didn't want to look bad after saying she would when she called him to get ahold of Moonshadow.

Scaly Haylie
Dec 25, 2004

Is this supposed to be endearing?

The Lord of Hats
Aug 22, 2010

Hello, yes! Is being very good day for posting, no?
Does anyone else think that this is making Clevin feel sort of... inconsistent? His previous portrayal made him feel like a shy nerd--doesn't have the confidence to ask Allison out directly, doesn't really know what makes for a good date, etc. But now he's suddenly frontman of a hipster band and he feels completely different.

RiotGearEpsilon
Jun 26, 2005
SHAVE ME FROM MY SHELF

The Lord of Hats posted:

Does anyone else think that this is making Clevin feel sort of... inconsistent? His previous portrayal made him feel like a shy nerd--doesn't have the confidence to ask Allison out directly, doesn't really know what makes for a good date, etc. But now he's suddenly frontman of a hipster band and he feels completely different.

People become different on a stage. I'm an awkward conversationalist but a bombastic performer.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
and she makes the cow eyes now :allears:

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Patrick Spens
Jul 21, 2006

"Every quarterback says they've got guts, But how many have actually seen 'em?"
Pillbug
I'm not sure I've ever rooted for a character to be fridged before.

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