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steinrokkan posted:The same model was used also in Poland and elsewhere, but universally it was... Problematic. There were always scammers, and even in more successful countries the losses incurred by common citizens went into the billions. The idea was to give everybody a chance to invest into select national corporations (not all businesses were offered in exchange for vouchers), but people were gullible, and often put their vouchers into mutual funds schemes whose managers took off with their money. Nowadays it's one of the privatization methods that the World Bank advises against. HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:What is the Polish government doing now?
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Pizdec posted:I don't think it was ever used in Poland, which is why I was curious about it. I remember reading some economic papers that cited it as a factor in the Czech Republic being the success story among the EE post-communist countries, so I was wondering if there are any estimates on how many people actually kept their vouchers away from the scammers. Supposedly the Czech reformists were inspired by Polish Solidarnosc plans, I don't know if those actually left the drawing board. I'd say most people managed to either keep their stock, or sell off their vouchers successfully, but still - the people who actually became stockholders usually didn't really benefit from it because it's not like they were educated about the workings of the stock market. I'd wager most people just kept their shares locked up til they decided to get rid of them at an arbitrary time for some quick cash. On the other hand, it also produced some of the current billionaires, but the same can be said about any lottery. steinrokkan fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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Maybe what they mean is that Obama or Hillary won't be arrested the next time they mention Polish death camps. Cause trying to kidnap POTUS, while he/she is on a visit in Poland, is something that I can totally see PiS doing.
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Friendly Humour posted:Well, quite a number of Poles participated in atrocities, even if the camps themselves were run by the SS so I guess that's a bit of a problem Not in the camps, though. The Poles were murdered in the death camps just like the Jews were. In fact, Auschwitz took in Poles before it started taking in Jews (although it had not become a full-fledged extermination camp until Birkenau was added).
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There are dickheads and assholes everywhere you go but I think it's an important distinction that the extermination camps were run by the Nazis and not the Polish government, which was in exile at the time anyway.
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Tevery Best posted:Not in the camps, though. The Poles were murdered in the death camps just like the Jews were. In fact, Auschwitz took in Poles before it started taking in Jews (although it had not become a full-fledged extermination camp until Birkenau was added). That's what I said? Anyway, understandably this is a bit of a touchy subject, but is Polish acquiescence (or the complicity of some groups of individuals) to the Holocaust addressed in Polish history classes in any way?
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Friendly Humour posted:That's what I said? Anyway, understandably this is a bit of a touchy subject, but is Polish acquiescence (or the complicity of some groups of individuals) to the Holocaust addressed in Polish history classes in any way? That's a lovely way to frame it friend. I don't mean to come off as a PiSman but acquiescence, really? Its not like the Poles were given the choice to acquiesce or not, we were occupied and faced death for opposing the Germans as well as aiding or sheltering Jews, which many did despite the risks. There was of course collaboration with the Nazis on the part of some Poles, but also some Jews. To actually answer your question though, no, not under the current government certainly, and I don't think under any of the previous ones either. Poland is universally portrayed as purely a victim of aggression and occupation and the resistance fighters are held up as heroes (which they were, thanks gramps).
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I had a Polish Jewish holocaust survivor speak at my middle school when I was a wee lad, guy by the name of David Faber if you want to look him up. He was very bitter about how the Poles did absolutely nothing to help the Jews. It's important to remember the holocaust was the worst in Poland, and that wasn't just because it was the first nation occupied. The Poles may not have helped the Nazis, but they sure as poo poo didn't help the Jews.
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A White Guy posted:I had a Polish Jewish holocaust survivor speak at my middle school when I was a wee lad, guy by the name of David Faber if you want to look him up. He was very bitter about how the Poles did absolutely nothing to help the Jews. It's important to remember the holocaust was the worst in Poland, and that wasn't just because it was the first nation occupied. The Poles may not have helped the Nazis, but they sure as poo poo didn't help the Jews. A lot of Poles were hostile to Jews before WWII even happened and some took the war as an opportunity to act against Jews, but its not as black and white as you say. If you look at the Righteous Among Nations, the awards Israel gives out for those who helped Jews escape death during WWII, Poland has over 6800 Righteous, over 1100 more than the next nearest nation. Its hard to pigeonhole 30 million people.
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A White Guy posted:I had a Polish Jewish holocaust survivor speak at my middle school when I was a wee lad, guy by the name of David Faber if you want to look him up. He was very bitter about how the Poles did absolutely nothing to help the Jews. It's important to remember the holocaust was the worst in Poland, and that wasn't just because it was the first nation occupied. The Poles may not have helped the Nazis, but they sure as poo poo didn't help the Jews. Wikipedia posted:The citizens of Poland have the world's highest count of individuals who have been recognized by Yad Vashem as Righteous Among the Nations for saving Jews from extermination during the Holocaust in World War II. There are 6,620 Polish men and women recognized as Righteous to this day, over a quarter of the total number of 26,120[1] awards. e: beaten like a Jew in Pilsudzkiland Pizdec fucked around with this message at 13:19 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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A White Guy posted:I had a Polish Jewish holocaust survivor speak at my middle school when I was a wee lad, guy by the name of David Faber if you want to look him up. He was very bitter about how the Poles did absolutely nothing to help the Jews. It's important to remember the holocaust was the worst in Poland, and that wasn't just because it was the first nation occupied. The Poles may not have helped the Nazis, but they sure as poo poo didn't help the Jews. It's never good painting a whole population for the acts of some.
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Guys, look at the public outrage that happened in 1968 when streets were filled with people protesting the forced "one way ticket to Israel" policy for the reminder of the Jews that were still in Poland. Oh wait, nothing like that happened.
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So, err. I'd say Russia is successfully spinning media around their pinky again but anyway: (Wall Street Journal was behind paywall, no English links, sorry.) Putin has ordered the southern military district and several other units into full combat readiness and they should have been so since 7 am today. The district is responsible of, for instance, Ukraine and Caucasus. According to the Minister of Defense, it's a large-scale training meant to test their capabilities and combat readiness. Currently the forces are receiving their equipment, weaponry and ammunition and are organizing columns in order to move to railway stations and airports. Western and central districts are being tested in their ability to support "strategic action towards south-west". The training is supposed to end in the end of August. Whee.
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It's been a week of anniversaries for former Soviet Republics declaring independence from the Soviet Union. Yesterday was Ukraine, today is Belarus.   Yesterday there were parades in Ukraine. Today in Belarus it's a regular Thursday. Bonus video of Batka and Prince Joffrey spending a day with Steven Seagal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JISmlj7goAI
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There must be a point when even Lukashenko realizes that he's embarrassing himself by being seen with that loser. I can understand Depardieu, but why the gently caress Seagal.
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What the gently caress http://time.com/4462987/kalashnikov-souvenir-shop-moscow-airport/
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Kurtofan posted:What the gently caress Yes Russian
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Russia news: there was recently a "tractor march" by some regional farmers to Moscow (to let the Tzar know about local https://meduza.io/news/2016/08/26/organizatora-probega-na-traktorah-zapodozrili-v-ekstremizme
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OddObserver posted:Russia news: there was recently a "tractor march" by some regional farmers to Moscow (to let the Tzar know about local EXTREME TRACTORS
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chitoryu12 posted:EXTREME TRACTORS SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY!
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StandardVC10 posted:SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SUNDAY! ...and Saturday.
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Poor, poor Germany. http://www.thelocal.de/20160826/eastern-europe-pushes-germany-for-joint-eu-army quote:Eastern EU countries on Friday pushed for the bloc to create a joint army as they met with Germany for talks on sketching Europe's post-Brexit future.
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Anos posted:So, what's up with that 6 million figure? Why do you hate non-Jews that were murdered in Polish death camps? Don't question that figure. It's against the law in several countries because questions/research on it equal holocaust denial.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Poor, poor Germany. All those slavs are literally begging for german tanks driving across their vast fields, to counter the machinations of the nefarious russians, but noooo, the Chancellor wants achieve a peaceful economic victory instead. Time to restart Hearts of Iron, I wanted a fun game.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:https://twitter.com/polizeiberlin/status/769197889532882945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Or as the Germans call it, Friday.
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Rincewinds posted:All those slavs are literally begging for german tanks driving across their vast fields, to counter the machinations of the nefarious russians, but noooo, the Chancellor wants achieve a peaceful economic victory instead. Time to restart Hearts of Iron, I wanted a fun game. HOI? Are you suggesting Merkel should invade Scotland?
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steinrokkan posted:HOI? Are you suggesting Merkel should invade Scotland? Supporting a revolution seems like less work. The faction already has close to 50% support...
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Would it be very difficult for an ISIS cell to dig up UED and utilize it?
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LeoMarr posted:Would it be very difficult for an ISIS cell to dig up UED and utilize it?
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Wow am I reading this wrong or did BRexit actually make the EU stronger by eliminating the people who are opposed to what it seeks to do from the running?
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neoliberal posted:Wow am I reading this wrong or did BRexit actually make the EU stronger by eliminating the people who are opposed to what it seeks to do from the running? There's no inherent central power in the current EU. It all depends on how elected national governments interact, and find an equilibrium of their interests. It's worth noting that the original guy responsible for initiating reforms towards common European defense policy was Tony Blair - so it's not like Britain was a dead weight that got tossed away.
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LeoMarr posted:Would it be very difficult for an ISIS cell to dig up UED and utilize it? I think anyone who's mad enough to dig up and start shaking around an unexploded piece of ordnance from WW2 should just skip the bullshit and cut into the warhead to get at the explosive. They'll also need to be muscular as gently caress because a lot of unexploded ordnance tends to be aircraft bombs that can weigh upwards of 500kg. Though, fun fact: a lot of the IEDs encountered in Afghanistan were unexploded Soviet artillery shells that someone had rigged up with a remote detonator.
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LeoMarr posted:Would it be very difficult for an ISIS cell to dig up UED and utilize it? I spent years in the ME dealing with IED's and stuff and I'd say not really? I mean, after all that time, if the case stayed intact protecting the explosive, it would be far less effective than some stuff you could make at home.
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You would be rich if you ever found a way to reliably detect unexploded ordinance from WW2. Why would you ever want to join some lame death cult, if you could be rich instead?
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LeoMarr posted:Would it be very difficult for an ISIS cell to dig up UED and utilize it?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Don't give them ideas. Now some ISIS cell is going to dig up that 22 ton bomb sitting under a barn in Belgium. That's enough to level the European Parliament and directly kill more people than died during the 9/11 attacks. Oh come on. First, its 10 tonnes (because the Grand Slam Blockbusters only got to 22,000 lbs, so its long tons and not short "tonnes"). Secondly, all thatshit ain't gonna be under no barn, its going to be offshore I. The North Sea (or whatever the Belgian. Coast is called).
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Young Freud posted:Oh come on. First, its 10 tonnes (because the Grand Slam Blockbusters only got to 22,000 lbs, so its long tons and not short "tonnes"). Secondly, all thatshit ain't gonna be under no barn, its going to be offshore I. The North Sea (or whatever the Belgian. Coast is called).
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Sorry to interrupt your wester Europe bomb chat, but here's an older article on racism in Ukraine and EE that I just came across. https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...m=.7ea9f8cc55ea It shouldn't surprise anyone that it's very racist, but what's still shocking is just how open people are about it. Being sufficiently white I never experienced it obviously, but also never really saw it happen to others, almost certainly because there are just that few black people anywhere. As terrible as all that is, the author seems to think there's a positive side to it, in that people are at least open to a conversation about it and don't immediately go into denying everything so there's a chance of making some progress at least. Which makes sense to some degree I think, but would probably take forever with so few foreigners around.
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