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The WGF americans look good but keep in mind that you don't get any bazookas or LMGs so you'll need to pick those up later. The box does come with enough BARs to make up your squads, though. I have 3 boxes of WGF Russian infantry and they're great. Anecdotally I can confirm that WGF really improved as they went, I have a ton of their Celts and they're not awful, but they're nowhere near as good as the WW2 stuff. YMMV if you're not in the US as I hear their models aren't as ridiculously cheap outside of here.
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After WGF said goodbye to Tony Reidy it massively improved and all the shady poo poo went away. They now produce excellent stuff, and the giant not knights, Eisenkern, Malifaux plastics etc are all produced by WGF under other companies names.
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Thanks everyone for the great replies! I'm definitely going to pick up a box to play with leading up to the release of 2nd edition, LMG or no. Is it feasible to purchase another third-party set of weapons or something to substitute? Make one out of green stuff? Something like that?moths posted:I'll try to do a side-by-side photo later today. This would be pretty amazing. Thanks so much if you can.
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ExtraNoise posted:Thanks everyone for the great replies! I'm definitely going to pick up a box to play with leading up to the release of 2nd edition, LMG or no. Is it feasible to purchase another third-party set of weapons or something to substitute? Make one out of green stuff? Something like that? There are about 10 billion different historical minis manufacturers, so you can easily find MG and weapons teams, either from 3rd parties or straight from Warlord. I'm a fan of Black Tree Design and Artizan, personally. http://eoeorbis.com/products/ww2243-us-infantry-bazooka-team-iii-4?variant=1314904968 http://eoeorbis.com/collections/world-war-2/products/ww2080-u-s-infantry-30-cal-team?variant=1314901852 long-ass nips Diane fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Aug 27, 2016 |
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WGF are now sold under Dreamforge? i'll be trawling obscure european sites for them cheap sovs. What period of war are they good for? Also, I am cheap, and I haven't read SAGA rules in quite some time. Which 4 point starter foot band is easiest (least subtle) to run without going joms?
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My Americans are Black Tree and I love them. They're a little bit chunky/heroic scale, but the poses are really nice and they have great detail.
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JcDent posted:WGF are now sold under Dreamforge? i'll be trawling obscure european sites for them cheap sovs. What period of war are they good for? Our soviet players use "frankenstein" miniatures for 41 soviets, since they say every plastic kit out there has something badly flawed, but you can get nice ones if you combine them. I can ask what parts they use, but I think they use the wgf kits as one of the ingredients.
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Naw, don't bother, I am neither that spergy, nor wealthy. Also, fiding a box in europe is an adventure, because paying for shipping is a 1-for-2 deal.
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Here's that WGF / Warlord comparison photo I promised earlier! These are quick builds, both kits include extra pouches and kit that I didn't attach. The WGF soldier is on the left, and the Warlord one is on the right. Both kits are passable, but I prefer the WGF proportions. Both are standing on provided bases. However, both kits do stupid things. But different stupid things. Warlord made every weapon separate from the hands. This can lead to some awkward posing. WGF weapons are molded to the arms - but they provide no guidance as to which arms are pairs. This... also sucks. lilljonas posted:Our soviet players use "frankenstein" miniatures for 41 soviets, since they say every plastic kit out there has something badly flawed, but you can get nice ones if you combine them. I can ask what parts they use, but I think they use the wgf kits as one of the ingredients.  This is my mix, the guy on the left is an unmodified PSC 28mm soldier with "heroic" gun and helmet, the (WIP) one on the right is using a WGF head and weapon.  Here are some more, the dark grey is WGF plastic, the light grey is PSC.
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moths posted:WGF weapons are molded to the arms - but they provide no guidance as to which arms are pairs. This... also sucks. The Red Army sprues I have labelled the bodies and arm pairs, but I feel like some of them look better mixed up anyway.
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Yeah the Warlord US Infantry is very... Hollywood WW2. Lots of square jawed scowling movie stars and grizzled sergeants chomping on cigars. Only one head on the sprue looks like a scared teenager.
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I vaguely remember the Warlord box coming with metal heads that deliberately resembled famous Hollywood war movie actors. Maybe that was the Rangers box. It's interesting that some of the K47 metals are drifting back towards a more realistic look. I got the Paragon Trooper promo figure when I bought the book, and its proportions look more like the WGF figure.
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moths posted:I vaguely remember the Warlord box coming with metal heads that deliberately resembled famous Hollywood war movie actors. Maybe that was the Rangers box. Yeah, I believe its the Rangers box (I was looking at one in my LGS), I know there was a Tom Hanks one on the back of the box. I wonder if the shift in proportions is because WGF now works for/with Warlord, so perhaps they're actually the one making those minis. My FOW 11th armoured Company is actually rolling along quite nicely (managed to assemble more-or-less all of the tanks - which is no mean feat with the 2012-era plastics - and I'm in the stage of adding stowage), and I have a question. Does anyone have records of tankers using salvaged enemy track links to supplement their own armour? I've seen photographs of tanks with spare tracks as armour, but did anyone ever take some off enemy tanks to supplement their armour? I have accidentally stuck some StuG track links to the front of a Firefly. I figure maybe I could also use up some spare Panther track links I have lying around if there's actually historical precedent for that sort of thing. Or should I repeat to myself it's just a game and I should really just relax? Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Aug 28, 2016 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Yeah, I believe its the Rangers box (I was looking at one in my LGS), I know there was a Tom Hanks one on the back of the box. I wonder if the shift in proportions is because WGF now works for/with Warlord, so perhaps they're actually the one making those minis. Totally happened!  Those are T-34 tracks on the Pz IV. It probably didn't happen often, because it's more of a pain to get the other guy's tracks than your own (the western allies didn't really use captured vehicles that much, either, whereas Germany was lousy with them and so probably had a depot of salvaged T-34 track for replacements), but I can buy your Firefly's stealing the tracks of the tanks it's killed like a hunter draped in the skins of it's prey.
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spectralent posted:Totally happened!  I kind of wish I'd thought about it a little more, because I stuck on some applique armour from a US Sherman sprue, and I have a set of Panther side skirts I could have cut up instead. I've been able to use it as extra armour on the front of one or two of my other Shermans, though. And it turns out the front of a Panther track guard fits almost perfectly onto the side of a Firefly turret as applique armour. I've also used a Cromwell exhaust scoop and stowage bin that my tankies Feels good to actually be finally getting this thing in motion, I've kind of been procrastinating in it for ages. I'll probably wind up oathing the finished stuff just to get them all painted.
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Colonial Air Force posted:The Mad Max Armored Division spectralent posted:There's probably going to be terrible grogs who require documentary evidence from the original source that scavenged parts were used but it sounds like a cool gimmick tbh. I'd be more worried about pulling it off than finding a source. I'm kind of tickled by the mental image of my dudes after a fight looking over an abandoned but otherwise perfectly functional Panther, nodding slightly, and then stripping it of stuff to put on their Shermans instead.
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Considering that Rocket Cromwells came from a guy getting drunk with an RAF officer and attaching surplus Typhoon rockets to tanks, I don't tgink that Mad Max is unlikely.
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JcDent posted:Considering that Rocket Cromwells came from a guy getting drunk with an RAF officer and attaching surplus Typhoon rockets to tanks, I don't tgink that Mad Max is unlikely. Everything can be improved by attaching rockets to it. Case in point: Canadian (?) Staghound.... with rockets! 
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Universal Carrier... With rockets Kettenkrad... With rockets Shvimwagen... With rockets I am sad that rocket StuGs only exist as the creation of one wargamer who was more interested in glueing stuff to model than any sort of research
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JcDent posted:Universal Carrier... With rockets Correction. Universal Carrier... With a box of PIATs strapped to the back.
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spectralent posted:Correction. Universal Carrier... With a box of PIATs strapped to the back. PIATs aren't rockets, which was too bad for the Brits who tried to use them on German tanks.
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Colonial Air Force posted:PIATs aren't rockets, which was too bad for the Brits who tried to use them on German tanks. Sure, I'm talking about the UC-mounted PIAT battery the canadians improvised in 44 during market garden.  Also, I'm not sure what you mean about "too bad for the Brits"... Unless you mean the recoil, in which case I think we can take a collective moment of silence for everyone's poor dislocated shoulders.
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JcDent posted:Universal Carrier... With rockets Infantry with rockets! The Soviets actually tried 82 mm rocket launchers for infantry, but they had crazy requirements like being able to hit a target 1000 m away, so none of the designs went anywhere.
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I have a quick question for anyone familiar with PSC kits. Certain late-war lists use a mix of Shermans - I'm thinking specifically of the 2nd Division Blindeé and most likely the Black Panthers, with a mix of M4A2s, M4A3s and M4A4s in the same platoon. I have a pair of M4A4/Sherman V hull tops from a PSC box I've been using for my 11th armoured - would I be able to stick them on PSC M4A2 or M4A3 hull bottoms without issue?
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Yvonmukluk posted:I have a quick question for anyone familiar with PSC kits. Certain late-war lists use a mix of Shermans - I'm thinking specifically of the 2nd Division Blindeé and most likely the Black Panthers, with a mix of M4A2s, M4A3s and M4A4s in the same platoon. I have a pair of M4A4/Sherman V hull tops from a PSC box I've been using for my 11th armoured - would I be able to stick them on PSC M4A2 or M4A3 hull bottoms without issue? The M4A4's longer than the other shermans to fit the unholy abomination that is the Chrysler multibank engine.
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spectralent posted:The M4A4's longer than the other shermans to fit the unholy abomination that is the Chrysler multibank engine. drat YOU CHRYSLER!!!! 
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You know what this thread is missing? a 6mm Battle report!  And for a first! its a great war battle This is my first use of the Great war Spearhead rules!
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New preview is up on WWPD for Iron Maiden, the British expansion for Team Yankee. Some highlights: -Morale/skill ratings are roughly in-between Americans and Germans. Still getting hit on 4+ -Primary tanks are Chieftains, which have slightly worse armor than Abrams/Leopard 2s (Though it can be upgraded to match) and suffer a RoF penalty for moving and shooting -Infantry is allegedly really good, with fairly wide access to Milan ATGMs. Edit: No word yet on whether Eddie the Head is going to appear as a special character.
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It's crazy to me the chieftain's getting abrams-tier armour. Brutal was pretty much expected given the british love of HESH.
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Anyone tried Alter of Freedom? http://www.6mmacw.com/ It has piqued my interest as a fastplay acw ruleset, and the little free campaign pack looks decent. Wondering what people who have actually played it think, challenges that arose.
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Mr.Booger posted:Anyone tried Alter of Freedom? http://www.6mmacw.com/ I took about as much a look as you did and ended up going with Black Powder for my "baseline" 6mm rules because I felt it scaled up better. I'd be curious to hear a more nuanced review though. I love that websites terrain guides, I shamelessly stole their technique for making forests for my table a while back and I still periodically browse over to drool at their perfect little 3D maps. Grey Hunter posted:You know what this thread is missing? a 6mm Battle report!  every page of this thread needs a 6mm AAR. This one looks a lot of fun, and WWI is definitely an underrepresented niche.
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Grey Hunter posted:You know what this thread is missing? a 6mm Battle report! Awesome. I love the idea of preplanned operations for basically every period pre-WWII, but it doesn't seem like it's used nearly as often as it should be. This is a cool example of how WWI battles actually developed.
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Thanks for the report, nice one! Has anyone tried chain of command out? I'm gonna grab the new bolt action starter for my brother and I, but I'd like to move onto something a bit less gamey once we're up with that. Chain of command looks like a good option.
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Sanguine posted:Thanks for the report, nice one! Chain of Command is loving amazing everyone should play it. Where is my R20 game goddamnit.
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