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Mitch Fifield posted:It was the constant refrain of the Government in the last few weeks of Parliamentary sitting – that the Opposition should just “get out of the way” and pass through Parliament the legislation ... Sorry, I guess that was a different context.
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they still need 6 other votes in the senate, right? anyone know how one nation will vote?
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One nation supports Hynch against.
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Organza Quiz posted:It's a choice between the lesser of two evils. Personally I feel like the damage that a plebiscite campaign is likely to do to (especially young/closeted) queer people is worse than the good of probably having marriage equality sooner. The Liberal party seems to be doing pretty good at tearing themselves to pieces even without holding the plebiscite and I don't think it's worth the heartache. I'm a trans lesbian and when I was I high school (2005-2010) the thing that upset me most wasn't people saying blatantly homophobic or transphobic stuff, but rather when supposedly progressive politicians legitimized it by being against gay marriage. I felt (and still feel) that gay marriage was a good litmus test for acceptance of LGBT people generally, So when supposedly progressive politicians like Julia Gillard or Penny Wong came out against it, I was destroyed. That's why I see all this concern over the mental health of young people's mental health as the politicking that it is. Because these same people didn't give a drat about my mental health. These days I feel that not having gay marriage is ultimately more damaging than a plebiscite would be. Because every queer person knows bigots are out there and think these things but its only when its institutionalized that it really hurts.
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The plebiscite is non binding and several mps have explicitly stated they'll be voting against SSM instead of with the outcome. Its a bullshit red herring.
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Anidav posted:One nation supports Is One Nation's thinking that the plebiscite would turn out a 'no' response/we will just vote against it if it turns up 'yes' anyway/we just want an opportunity to hang poo poo on LGBT people? The Narrator fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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But surely she doesn't expect to play Prime Minister unscrutinised. Surely she expects Parliament to do its job. It is in nobody's interest to just let a government play, unchecked, with public funds. When governments get value for that money, we are all better off. When they waste it, we all lose. Those who most need a government to run the economy well, to manage its spending well and to get value for money are those at the lowest end of the socio-economic spectrum. When the economy is mismanaged, the really well-off miss out on an overseas trip or lose value on assets - shares, the beach house or whatever. The less well-off lose their job, maybe their house. And many never recover. Keeping a check on the government is that important. Amanda Vanstone, 2011
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One Nation is for a plebiscite at the next election, though.
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SynthOrange posted:The plebiscite is non binding and several mps have explicitly stated they'll be voting against SSM instead of with the outcome. Its a bullshit red herring. Have you got references I can throw at people who think the plebiscite is a good idea? I know Cory Bernardi's said he'd still vota against it, any others? Edit: Zed Seselja said he'd abstain from a vote. Mr Chips fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Christensen won't admit it but he'd probably vote against it. Also http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-28/bridget-mckenzie-vows-to-vote-against-same-sex-marriage/7120460 and “I would need to determine whether [the plebiscite] really is an accurate reflection [of the national view], whether it is all above board or whether the question is stacked, whether all sides received public funding,” he told Guardian Australia. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/27/eric-abetz-coalition-mps-will-not-be-bound-by-plebiscite-on-marriage-equality
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open24hours posted:Christensen won't admit it but he'd probably vote against it. This sounds like someone who knows he is friendless and has decided 'gently caress it, I'm going to be a pain in the arse', it isn't the only thing Christensen is threatening. I sincerely hope he is kicked out of the party, there's no room for independent thinkers in the LNP.
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Oh I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you! http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/mixed-reaction-to-east-kimberley-cashless/7793614 quote:Mixed reaction to East Kimberley cashless welfare cards Monday 29 August 2016 8:06AM (view full episode) Growing_ironicat.gif http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/penny-wong/7793430 quote:Penny Wong says Malcolm Turnbull 'lacks political courage' to deliver marriage equality Monday 29 August 2016 7:46AM (view full episode) And lol at the 35 or what ever it is wheelbarrow of legislation they are putting before this parliament immediately. Talk about putting clown makeup on a corpse. Every time one of these muppets blames the other side for anything they need to be reminded that this is their second term. At some point you have to be the ones responsible for what is happening in the country you govern. Or is that only in your third term?
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open24hours posted:Christensen won't admit it but he'd probably vote against it. Yeah, I don't think that's in doubt. By "whether the plebiscite really is an accurate reflection," he means that he's already made up his mind about what Australia really wants (no marriage for same-sex couples). If the plebiscite came up 'no' he would cite that as his proof, if it came up 'yes' (which seems likely) he would go on about how the plebiscite wasn't done properly and thus is invalid. He's couched it in so many conditionals that he can make up whatever bullshit excuse he wants. edit: is this issue going to gently caress Malcolm whichever way it goes? If the plebiscite goes through and turns up a 'yes' vote, he's still going to have shitheels in his own party who vote 'no.' He's going to have wasted however much money to turn up a result that doesn't mean anything - even if the Australian people say yes, his own MPs are going to vote against a parliamentary vote and claim Malc's going against their deeply-held convictions if he tries to force them. If the plebiscite goes through and turns up 'no,' it's still not settled - as more time goes by, the public sentiment is going further and further toward support for SSM. You can bet the opposition are going to continue pressing him for as long as he's in government. If the plebiscite continues to be held up, or is routinely voted down in the parliament, it means Malcolm hasn't been able to do poo poo about it. He can go on the offensive and say that Labor and the Greens are holding up the plebiscite, but the simple answer (and the one that Labor + the Greens are already pushing) is that it should just be done through parliament and why are you dragging this out Malcolm, show some leadership. The Narrator fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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open24hours posted:https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/27/eric-abetz-coalition-mps-will-not-be-bound-by-plebiscite-on-marriage-equality Andrew Hastie's quote is brilliant...the man has no idea how our representative democracy is supposed to work.
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Anidav posted:Why do so many journalists pray for dictatorships? Because the desire for certainty and stability is very deep seated in humanity.
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The Narrator posted:If the plebiscite goes through and turns up a 'yes' vote, he's still going to have shitheels in his own party who vote 'no.' He's going to have wasted however much money to turn up a result that doesn't mean anything - even if the Australian people say yes, his own MPs are going to vote against a parliamentary vote and claim Malc's going against their deeply-held convictions if he tries to force them.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:He won't have to force them though. Enough Liberals support SSM that it would pass in a free vote at the moment; all the plebiscite does is give them a fig leaf. Yeah, granted. I don't think the objector 'no' vote would be enough to hold it back, but it still looks idiotic and like he's not in control of his own party.
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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/fed...829-gr3crv.htmlquote:Senate powerbroker Nick Xenophon has delivered a potentially fatal blow to the Turnbull government's plan to hold a public vote on same-sex marriage.
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Well color me surprised. Thanks Dr Nick!
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SynthOrange posted:Well color me surprised. Thanks Dr Nick! Hi Everybody!
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So what are the rules on introducing private members bills or bills from opposition? Make Turnbull squirm.
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SynthOrange posted:Cmon dont gently caress this one up Shorten. http://alexanderlozada.com/iasip/?IlNob3J0ZW4gRnVja3MgVGhpcyBPbmUgVXAi
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SynthOrange posted:Cmon dont gently caress this one up Shorten. ~~Change From Within
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Senor Tron posted:So what are the rules on introducing private members bills or bills from opposition? Make Turnbull squirm. It'd have to pass a committee before even being considered, which would probably need to get the manager of government business in the house to agree, or force a division to table/read the bill (which would require a majority to work) Long version: http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam...145FA8A68C&_z=z
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Wasn't Van Badham saying that the Greens opposing the plebiscite a bad thing a couple of days ago?
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Freudian Slip posted:Wasn't Van Badham saying that the Greens opposing the plebiscite a bad thing a couple of days ago? That's because the greens are bad, ergo anything they do is bad.
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Nazis vs. Nazis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUggo3t5tvU
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Mr Chips posted:It'd have to pass a committee before even being considered, which would probably need to get the manager of government business in the house to agree, or force a division to table/read the bill (which would require a majority to work) Even worse, the fine print is that even if the Select Committee allows it, by convention, it doesn't get the time normally given to a bill reading, and the government may well force the Member to be responsible for it all the way into the Senate and back. Rarely does an Opposition private members bill ever get up, and it's even more fraught for a Government. The aim is to discourage non-Party activity of course. But given that, some important legislation has been passed via private members bills. It's just that those bills tend to be in the interests of Government and/or MPs in general. We've already mentioned compulsory voting here, it was private precisely because the Government of the time didn't want it to look partisan. That's often the reason. See here. ewe2 fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Guardian AU posted:Scott Morrison's car-crash logic and the real story behind the 'taxed-nots'
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It's also worth remembering that the plebiscite was the Abbott government's way of defusing the issue internally and putting it off for next election.
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what actually goes through the heads of people like ScoMo or Hockey while they sit at their desk? Is it just "I must gently caress the poors" because I can't see any other reason for the bullshit they keep spewing.
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If only all theses parasites were dead they'd be free to drive the economy on to new greatness, therefore...
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starkebn posted:what actually goes through the heads of people like ScoMo or Hockey while they sit at their desk? Is it just "I must gently caress the poors" because I can't see any other reason for the bullshit they keep spewing. I'm thinking more of the cut away in Homer Simpson's head with an old black and white cartoon playing in his brain
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