Chinaman7000 posted:One piece is great y'all are jerks. One Piece is not great, although I am a jerk.
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Aug 30, 2016 14:25
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I'm not even commenting on the character designs or rendering, the overall style is so busy and crammed with stuff I genuinely have a hard time even SEEING the characters.
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Aug 30, 2016 15:00
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The depiction of female characters in One Piece is worthy of criticism, even by the standards of japanese comics.
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Aug 30, 2016 15:15
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You're absolutely right but I heard that in your avatar's voice and now I'm giggling
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Aug 30, 2016 15:19
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One Piece is very deliberately cartoonish in a way that doesn't care to make so much as a glance at realism, but I agree that it has become visually overstuffed to an absurd degree. As much as people have been criticising Kubo for being almost terrified of drawing backgrounds, I much prefer the sparse backgrounds and heavy drenching of black ink in Bleach. It was really its only saving grace come the finale.
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Aug 30, 2016 15:26
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Back when I was trying to not hate manga and failing, I read a lot of then-popular stuff by artists who did not draw backgrounds and were really bad at situating characters relative to each other and it was a goddamn headache trying to figure out what the hell was supposed to be happening.
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Aug 30, 2016 15:30
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah I pause at actually calling it "bad" because I know that's subjective. But there was this one splash page where it took me a while to notice one of the super muscular characters in the background because he didn't read as human to my eyes. I read a little bit of One Piece just now to remind myself what the art is like and yeah, the art is actually really good and you need to have a very solid, confident grasp of the human form in order to draw exaggerated, weird characters like Oda does and have them appear consistent and readable from multiple angles panel to panel. I respect that you would like him to draw less exaggerated figures and I agree that he goes too far sometimes (and his women are not good) but please don't assume that he's never taken a life drawing class, because you seriously do not get that good at drawing figures, exaggerated or otherwise, without an enormous amount of practice in drawing real human beings. Like, hell, Luffy is literally a slightly skinny but otherwise regularly proportioned human, and he's in pretty much all of One Piece. Oda clearly knows exactly how to draw human men. The jury is still out on whether he knows how to draw women. I'm sorry that I'm getting annoyed at you for this, but you're throwing around this "take a life drawing class" line and I feel like you're misunderstanding what an artist actually takes away from a life drawing class and how it applies to their work. Lurdiak posted:Back when I was trying to not hate manga and failing, I read a lot of then-popular stuff by artists who did not draw backgrounds and were really bad at situating characters relative to each other and it was a goddamn headache trying to figure out what the hell was supposed to be happening. They were probably just standing on boxes.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:34
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Red Bones posted:I read a little bit of One Piece just now to remind myself what the art is like and yeah, the art is actually really good and you need to have a very solid, confident grasp of the human form in order to draw exaggerated, weird characters like Oda does and have them appear consistent and readable from multiple angles panel to panel. I think we must be seeing different comics or something.
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Aug 31, 2016 16:42
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Lol no dude it's just you
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Aug 31, 2016 16:50
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Corto Maltese by Hugo Pratt     Cockblocking pervs like it ain't no thing.   
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Sep 1, 2016 03:04
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He's got a Japanese cousin he should look up.
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Sep 1, 2016 09:11
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god i wish it were easy to find translated copies of Corto Maltese and Michel Valliant
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Sep 1, 2016 10:24
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Vincent posted:Corto Maltese by Hugo Pratt I've read some. Fantastic to look at but boring as all hell. Also Corto Maltese speaks but never ever opens his mouth.
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Sep 1, 2016 11:53
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Dormammu doesn't like Eternity's interference in his plans to destroy Dr. Strange so the two of them throw down: Up to this point I didn't think Dormammu was a big deal but I was wrong! The fight doesn't end up going well for either of them and they are both seemingly obliterated over the next several panels. Strange Tales #146 Ditko, (obvs) Lobok fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Sep 7, 2016 |
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Sep 7, 2016 18:28
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Um, isn't Eternity like, the entire Universe, and destroying him destroys everything?
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Sep 8, 2016 01:35
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The One Above All
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Sep 8, 2016 01:40
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Choco1980 posted:Um, isn't Eternity like, the entire Universe, and destroying him destroys everything? He's the physical embodiment of the universe, it's living consciousness.
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Sep 8, 2016 01:40
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Choco1980 posted:Um, isn't Eternity like, the entire Universe, and destroying him destroys everything? I'm not sure how it would work since there are so many different dimensions but either way, Eternity doesn't die. I haven't gone far enough into the series to find out what actually happened to him/it and Dormammu.
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Sep 8, 2016 04:27
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Pulling from my rear end, but I thought Domammu was basically "it" for his dimension, as in the only sentient powerful being in it. Which maybe ranks him up? But then you question how Doc
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Sep 8, 2016 05:12
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Those >BLANK< Dimension guys only care about one thing. Nextwave is still wonderful
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Sep 8, 2016 05:16
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Alaois posted:god i wish it were easy to find translated copies of Corto Maltese and Michel Valliant Fantagraphics' has been putting out a new English edition since last year, though, having read the first, it's actually pretty dull.
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Sep 8, 2016 06:33
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This is from ANAD Avengers #14
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Sep 8, 2016 06:35
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Roth posted:This is from ANAD Avengers #14 God drat that's a poorly conveyed facial expression
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Sep 8, 2016 07:03
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Mimir posted:Fantagraphics' has been putting out a new English edition since last year, though, having read the first, it's actually pretty dull. pff whatever man, you just don't get art
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Sep 8, 2016 07:23
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Rhyno posted:He's the physical embodiment of the universe, it's living consciousness. So is he a fragment/portion/part of the Living Tribunal? Didn't the...Builders (?) kill the Living Tribunal because It confronted them after they killed off all other cosmic aspects, and he represented the multiverse? * the (?) is there because I can't remember all the parties involved during the incursions
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Sep 8, 2016 08:52
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Scaramouche posted:Pulling from my rear end, but I thought Domammu was basically "it" for his dimension, as in the only sentient powerful being in it. Which maybe ranks him up? But then you question how Doc Dormammu was definitely the biggest gun in the Dark Dimension, but he wasn't the only sentient powerful being. His sister Umar was also tough.
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Sep 8, 2016 10:28
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A good excuse to post Kevin Maguire art and remind everyone that Umar wanted to make the Hulk her fucktoy...until she found out she's got more stamina From the Defenders mini-series about a decade ago. :   And more of Dormammu being shown as pathetic, because that is never not funny:  It's all a good exercise in showing how good judgment in narrative timing can cover up the fact that a lot of the panels are reused or only slightly altered.
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Sep 8, 2016 10:34
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VARICOSE VEINS OF THE VISHANTI!!
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Sep 8, 2016 11:12
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Scaramouche posted:Pulling from my rear end, but I thought Domammu was basically "it" for his dimension, as in the only sentient powerful being in it. Which maybe ranks him up? But then you question how Doc Early on Strange couldn't beat him. And it's not like Dormammu is shown to be weak. There are lots of other dimensions he has in the palm of his hand until Strange defeats him in this weird mystical pincer gauntlet wrestling match (no magic allowed). Just didn't think that made him as strong as to fight Eternity to a draw. Maybe over the course of Eternity's subsequent appearances they make him more powerful.
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Sep 8, 2016 12:15
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Dormammu is crazy strong and usually Strange's only edge is that he's stuck in his own dimension and can't exert his full power in ours. Dormammu is "it" in his own dimension because he took it over completely.
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Sep 8, 2016 12:30
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Lurdiak posted:Dormammu is crazy strong and usually Strange's only edge is that he's stuck in his own dimension and can't exert his full power in ours. Dormammu is "it" in his own dimension because he took it over completely. He was really honourable in his first appearances! The only reason he didn't just come to Earth and destroy Strange was because he swore to Strange that he wouldn't, haha.
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Sep 8, 2016 14:28
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:So is he a fragment/portion/part of the Living Tribunal? Didn't the...Builders (?) kill the Living Tribunal because It confronted them after they killed off all other cosmic aspects, and he represented the multiverse? Nah, the Living Tribunal is a separate entity.
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Sep 8, 2016 14:29
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Lobok posted:He was really honourable in his first appearances! The only reason he didn't just come to Earth and destroy Strange was because he swore to Strange that he wouldn't, haha. When magic-types make promises, they usually take them more seriously than normal people do. Probably some kind of interdimensional Geneva Conference got the rules set up.
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Sep 8, 2016 14:42
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prefect posted:When magic-types make promises, they usually take them more seriously than normal people do. Probably some kind of interdimensional Geneva Conference got the rules set up. When spells require incantations or invocations I guess you learn quickly that the sincerity of your words is pretty important. Don't want Cyttorak or the hosts of Hoggoth thinking you're a boy who cries wolf.
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Sep 8, 2016 14:47
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prefect posted:When magic-types make promises, they usually take them more seriously than normal people do. Probably some kind of interdimensional Geneva Conference got the rules set up.  OK guys, look... we've been at this 2...3 aeons now? Christ alive man just lets wrap this poo poo up. Hoggoth, you're limited to just the Hoary Hosts in euclidian-dimensions, provided that any mindflayers, eldritch horrorgods or ancient unknowables keep a respectable distance from Death. Can we agree to that? I'd like clarification on the "entities posing as Gods" addendum. oh gently caress's sake...
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Sep 8, 2016 17:21
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Lobok posted:Dormammu doesn't like Eternity's interference in his plans to destroy Dr. Strange so the two of them throw down: That looks for all the world like Dormammu is trying to destroy Eternity with one mighty pelvic thrust.
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Sep 8, 2016 17:54
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prefect posted:When magic-types make promises, they usually take them more seriously than normal people do. Probably some kind of interdimensional Geneva Conference got the rules set up. Strange calls upon Cytorrak and even Mephisto in his spellcasting. Really, the best way to understand Strange's spells is as a series of contracts made with more powerful entities. As Sorceror Supreme he just happens to have all the best contracts pre-negotiated for him by the Vishanti and his predecessors. I know the writers don't always protray it that way, but that's because they're wrong and will pay for their crimes.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:03
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Lurdiak posted:Strange calls upon Cytorrak and even Mephisto in his spellcasting. Really, the best way to understand Strange's spells is as a series of contracts made with more powerful entities. As Sorceror Supreme he just happens to have all the best contracts pre-negotiated for him by the Vishanti and his predecessors. I know the writers don't always protray it that way, but that's because they're wrong and will pay for their crimes. You are making me wish for a series where Daredevil and She-Hulk has to work out interdimensional contracts for Doctor Strange. Stop that. Stop that this instant.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:05
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Lurdiak posted:Strange calls upon Cytorrak and even Mephisto in his spellcasting. Really, the best way to understand Strange's spells is as a series of contracts made with more powerful entities. As Sorceror Supreme he just happens to have all the best contracts pre-negotiated for him by the Vishanti and his predecessors. I know the writers don't always protray it that way, but that's because they're wrong and will pay for their crimes. I don't think the Vishanti are directly associated with the Sorcerer Supreme job -- when Urthona took over for a while, he did it without their backing. I think it's more of a situation where the Ancient One and Doc both align well with the goals of the Vishanti, so they agree to work on their team, which gets them a lot of pull.
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Sep 8, 2016 18:08
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Jedit posted:That looks for all the world like Dormammu is trying to destroy Eternity with one mighty pelvic thrust. Magic and loving have always gone hand in hand.
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Sep 8, 2016 20:48
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