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Deified Data posted:The annoying thing about Orcs is that you kind of have to rely on autoresolve in the early stages to come out on top against the Dwarfs if you want to avoid huge losses, and once you start autoresolving it can snowball until you've autoresolved more than half the campaign because experience has proven time and again that it's the soundest strategy against some opponents. This has been my experience with a huge chunk of Attila thanks to city battles favoring defenders so hard. I auto-resolve all attacks, but play all defenses because the auto-resolve gives defenders like no credit. Deified Data posted:I found abandoning Death Pass for Karak Eight Peaks to be immensely helpful as well. It's a better, more centralized location to menace the Badlands from. Not a bad idea. Greenskin start is always a pain for me, and this could fix a lot of it. Plan Z fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Aug 29, 2016 |
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Greenskins, like Chaos get's massive bonus to sacking income, as well as a unique and good raiding stance(encamp) if you focus too much early on to try hold territory as Greenskins then yes you are playing them wrong. Sack, raid and plunder the badlands staying with max 1 province, until you have 2-3 well leveled lords with decent army compositions of experienced units before you worry about expanding. Then proceed with just doing hit and run vs dwarfs until you are strong enough to take them down. You don't need to have positive upkeep when you can just sack up a stockpile of money to keep afloat until next raiding run.
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I found abandoning Death Pass for Karak Eight Peaks to be immensely helpful as well. It's a better, more centralized location to menace the Badlands from.
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Choyi posted:Greenskins, like Chaos get's massive bonus to sacking income, as well as a unique and good raiding stance(encamp) if you focus too much early on to try hold territory as Greenskins then yes you are playing them wrong. The problem with that, which I failed 7 times on Greenskins VH campaign doing this sort of tactic.. is you cannot level up a base good enough to defeat dwarf armies without suffering horrible losses. Deified Data posted:I found abandoning Death Pass for Karak Eight Peaks to be immensely helpful as well. It's a better, more centralized location to menace the Badlands from. I did similar, ultimately the game that worked was just south of there getting Karak Azgal instead of Karak Eight Peaks because eight peaks gets torpedoed fast from Karak Anzel dwarfs. Deified Data posted:The annoying thing about Orcs is that you kind of have to rely on autoresolve in the early stages to come out on top against the Dwarfs if you want to avoid huge losses, and once you start autoresolving it can snowball until you've autoresolved more than half the campaign because experience has proven time and again that it's the soundest strategy against some opponents.
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TipsyMcStagger posted:The problem with that, which I failed 7 times on Greenskins VH campaign doing this sort of tactic.. is you cannot level up a base good enough to defeat dwarf armies without suffering horrible losses. If you can get rock lobbers, you have the tech to kill dwarfs. Let them come to you, the AI is awful at mitigating artillery damage. Cycle rear-charges with boar boyz while the dwarfs crawl forward, and let your lord and heroes tank some of the front-line damage if possible.
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Both Rock Lobbas and Boar Boyz need a tier 3 settlement before recruitment, plus training time. Getting that much growth quickly is going to take time, especially if you don't consolidate Death Pass (which is also a very dangerous course of action since it turns the Bloody Spears hostile and leaves you with two settlements exposed against the Dwarves).
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Just ran into Mukip in quick match--we had a pretty intense battle!
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toasterwarrior posted:Both Rock Lobbas and Boar Boyz need a tier 3 settlement before recruitment, plus training time. Getting that much growth quickly is going to take time, especially if you don't consolidate Death Pass (which is also a very dangerous course of action since it turns the Bloody Spears hostile and leaves you with two settlements exposed against the Dwarves). Unless the big patch changed it, savage orc boar boys and big'un boar boys require tier 2/3. My easiest and most enjoyable campaign was leaving the starting area and immediately taking the savage orc settlement. Bonus since they are the biggest pain in the rear end orc faction in my experience. Havent played since before the beastmen dlc though so ymmv.
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I haven't seen the savage orcs prosper in recent versions at all, really. I just did a Greenskins campaign and the big threat in the Badlands was the Teef Snatchas this time, and in recent campaigns when I was playing other factions the Top Knotz didn't do much either. Big difference from my first Greenskins campaign where they were my nemesis for at least half the game. I also don't think there's any reason to abandon Black Crag like some people suggest, especially since it's such a defensible settlement. Dealing with the dwarfs early is a good plan but not super necessary as long as you keep an eye on them and make sure they're not expanding too much. If they get stuck at the 3 settlement mark you can focus elsewhere before dealing with them.
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I feel like Wolf Archers are a little underrated. At the start I use their speed and Parthian shot to bait units around. If you can get it so that they slow an army's advance, it gives your divers/lobbers extra time to do some damage. After that, their speed makes them a good flanker that can dump some arrows into the backs of blobs.
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As orcs I like to swing up knock out the dwarfs, then knock out Brak Var. Then you have 3 provinces and nothing below you can stop you.
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I really think they should move the Greenskins start position a bit more south. As it stands, most Dwarf games begin with the player holding out against Waaaghs! and then rushing to kill the Greenskins once Grimgor gets himself KOed; conversely, Greenskin games are contingent on you killing off the Dwarves ASAP before they confederate and poo poo out stacks of troops yours can barely kill.
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Arcsquad12 posted:I want a Skaven army made entirely of warpstone cannons, warplock jezzails, and several teams of ratling gunners. Play it like Fall of the Samurai except with more chances for misfires, so I annihilate my enemies at the same time as my guns explode in my rats' hands. The good news is skaven stuff is almost certainly not going to randomly explode and kill your units in this game. Random death stuff is only good for tabletop.
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Lassitude posted:The good news is skaven stuff is almost certainly not going to randomly explode and kill your units in this game. Random death stuff is only good for tabletop. Disagree. It is one thing to not have your single wizard explode and quite something else to not have your large pack of rats take some losses by random explosion. What would even be the point of having them? I'd say there is no real problem with having ranged combat be essentially a damage race against yourself. Just give them a very high base replenishment rate.
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12-minute video about the free content coming with the DLC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrYhG1aWhc4
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Presumably we're going to be waiting a while for Skaven given how much crazy poo poo CA are gonna have to animate to do them justice.
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Glad to see Vladdy the Daddy also talks like a Shakespearean douchebag.
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http://wiki.totalwar.com/index.php?title=Total_War_WARHAMMER_Update_3 Patch notes are up. Lots of bug fixes, very small balance tweaks. Changing Malagors wing bonus from speed to starting winds makes no fricken sense though. Edit: Vlad starts with Blood Knights, Bats, and Vargheists, all of which he can vanguard deploy, those are going to be some short starting battles. That said, Dad Vlad pretty much has the Vampire Lord statline only without a shield or a mount so unless his skills and items are totally crazy he's not actually that OTP. madmac fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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quote:Reinforcements will now join battles from a more accurate direction relative to their position the campaign map. 
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quote:Empire Knights can no longer see 10x further than any other unit in the game. this explains a lot
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http://imgur.com/a/zJC1p Interesting excerpt from White Dwarf. "Loads more units and stuff" for Brettonia is either massive hyperbole or interesting, given that they were missing like 3 units IIRC. Also confirmed FLC, but everyone knew that already.
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Lassitude posted:The good news is skaven stuff is almost certainly not going to randomly explode and kill your units in this game. Random death stuff is only good for tabletop. I think Skaven should have the conscious ability to voluntarily randomly explode though. If you overtax your clanrats, turn off the
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green knight, fay enchantress, prophetess, knights errant, questing knights, grail pilgrims and grail reliquae. also lore of beasts damsels.
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I'm expecting them to invent some units for Bretonnia because their roster would be sparse as hell otherwise.
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Dismounted Grail Knights, Dismounted Knights Errant, Dismounted Horses, horse-pulled Trebuchets. [Edit] I really wish the Empire had horse-pulled artillery.
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Glad to see net get nerfed. So frustrating to fight armies that are nothing but steam tanks, pistoliers/outriders and overcasted nets. When I see that in quick match and I brought a mostly infantry army I just quit and start looking for a new match.
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ZearothK posted:Dismounted Grail Knights, Dismounted Knights Errant, Dismounted Horses, horse-pulled Trebuchets. Brettonian Immortals.
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Triskelli posted:I think Skaven should have the conscious ability to voluntarily randomly explode though. If you overtax your clanrats, turn off the Yeah, this is probably the better way to go about it. Like with Fall of the Samurai and overheating your ships' engines for a movement boost at the possible risk of setting it on fire.
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toasterwarrior posted:Yeah, this is probably the better way to go about it. Like with Fall of the Samurai and overheating your ships' engines for a movement boost at the possible risk of setting it on fire. Or the wizard miscasts that are already in the game and nobody ever notices
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Pornographic Memory posted:Or the wizard miscasts that are already in the game and nobody ever notices yeah well they're not explodey enough!
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Miscasts on offensive/debuffing spells should just drop that spell on the top of the wizard.
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Kainser posted:Miscasts on offensive/debuffing spells should just drop that spell on the top of the wizard. This is a legit idea. Dropping an overcasted Banishment isn't just about putting his health at risk, it's also putting your lines at risk unless you're ballsy enough to put him out front.
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Kainser posted:Miscasts on offensive/debuffing spells should just open a portal that demons pour out of, ravaging both sides ftfy 
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Pornographic Memory posted:Or the wizard miscasts that are already in the game and nobody ever notices I notice when the AI wizard is low health and they miscast-suicide at the start of the match. Especially when it's their general
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I notice when I suddenly become aware that my Wizard has lost half his health and hey, Beaquis is coming down for a quick bite.
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John Charity Spring posted:I haven't seen the savage orcs prosper in recent versions at all, really. I just did a Greenskins campaign and the big threat in the Badlands was the Teef Snatchas this time, and in recent campaigns when I was playing other factions the Top Knotz didn't do much either. Big difference from my first Greenskins campaign where they were my nemesis for at least half the game. Worth mentioning that when I abandon Black Crag I've never actually lost it. It's a nice morsel for the Dwarfs to smash their armies against while I build my forces to the south.
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madmac posted:http://wiki.totalwar.com/index.php?title=Total_War_WARHAMMER_Update_3 No potion fix? Also perplexing to see an Azhag nerf given his current state. Edit: Looks like the potion fix is a cap on total hp regen for a unit in a battle. Will have to wait on testing to see how substantial this is. Vox Nihili fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Aug 30, 2016 |
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Vox Nihili posted:No potion fix? Also max heroes down to 3 from 4. Pure speculation, but I would bet they are setting the max so that one healing potion is as good as previously, but two healing potions is a waste.
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drat, I wish the dude who made the Legendary Lord start positions mod would update it, because it was one of my absolute favorite mods. Now with even more LLs coming in, I'm not even sure how you would even balance it Does anyone know of similar mods that aren't broken to hell?
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Changes to max heroes, potion tweaks and magic missile tweaks cover a lot of the main multiplayer issues, so I'm impressed how on the ball they seem to be. They even tried to do something to the black coach (still probably poo poo). That said, last patch there was a bunch of undocumented changes that were insane (like buffing magic missiles).
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