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Seems like Gandhi will be a late game monster. Buff against invaders and bonuses from many religions shelters it in the early and midgame, large populations from districts/amenities opens up any victory type later on
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Seems like Gandhi will be a late game monster. 
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Aug 30, 2016 21:28
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OfChristandMen posted:So Ghandi's ability mostly affects the Civ6 equivalent of "Panetheons" and not the 2nd or 3rd belief you'd get upon following a religion? That's worse than I expected, but watching some streams of people getting multiple Workboat/Culture pantheons, I can see how it would be busted to go further than that. It's basically one of the Piety policies for free, right? We don't know for sure yet because they haven't given any deep details about the religious system. All of the playthroughs just list out all of the belief types as choices and didn't seem to force certain ones at certain times. If it is follower beliefs, like the video says, then the Civ 5 equivalent would be the 2nd and 3rd religious choices. Poil posted:Hmmm, if you get the annoying war weariness crap from warring with Gandhi, it sounds like you're very incentivized to take him out early when the extermination will be much faster due to fewer cities. That was my thought as well. I'm killing that guy immediately if he's my neighbor. He's actually a very pleasant bonus to you if he's on the other side of the world though.
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Ab main ho gaee hoon maut, duniya ka naash.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:37
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Hogama posted:India's curious; it doesn't appear to favor a particular strategy - Religious is closest since you'll likely afford to purchase plenty more Faith units than average, but there's still nothing like Spain's instant-conversion through Conquistadors. Given that they benefit from peace and religion I would suggest that India's thing is broadly "diplomacy" They have generally good cities provided they have met lots of people and are at peace with them, and generally produce more faith with their unique improvement. So buying stuff with faith and being friends, cultural victory, one would think.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:40
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Poil posted:Hmmm, if you get the annoying war weariness crap from warring with Gandhi, it sounds like you're very incentivized to take him out early when the extermination will be much faster due to fewer cities. You can pretty much say that about anyone though.
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Aug 30, 2016 21:51
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If only we could program the ai to play like a human does
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Aug 30, 2016 21:56
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Gort posted:You can pretty much say that about anyone though.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:11
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OfChristandMen posted:So Ghandi's ability mostly affects the Civ6 equivalent of "Panetheons" and not the 2nd or 3rd belief you'd get upon following a religion? That's worse than I expected, but watching some streams of people getting multiple Workboat/Culture pantheons, I can see how it would be busted to go further than that. It's basically one of the Piety policies for free, right? No? India's Dharma ability allows them to use the follower beliefs of all religions present in a given city. That's not the pantheon belief.
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Did I remember the video correct in saying that Gandhi increases war weariness against civilizations he is at war with and not specifically civs that declared war on him? If so, he's totally getting banned in multi-player. Gort posted:You can pretty much say that about anyone though. It's more true against Gandhi because it attacks your infrastructure. If you have to fight him near the end of the game the unhappiness might take enough turns off of your plans to cost you the game without any chance to gain those turns back.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:33
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Aerdan posted:No? Oh that's crazy. Especially considering how much you can purchase with Faith from those abilities, getting more Faith from different religions, and obtaining different religions seems to be quite the trifecta.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:41
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From what I recall, everyone gets the pantheon beliefs for every religion they have in a city, in Civ5, anyway. You just only get the follower beliefs for the dominant religion.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:46
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:From what I recall, everyone gets the pantheon beliefs for every religion they have in a city, in Civ5, anyway. You just only get the follower beliefs for the dominant religion. Nnnnnope. There's something in the Piety tree that specifically enables you to grab the pantheon benefit from the 2nd most popular religion, but otherwise it's only the dominant pantheon.
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Aug 30, 2016 22:48
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Aerdan posted:India's Dharma ability allows them to use the follower beliefs of all religions present in a given city. That's not the pantheon belief. In fact, they've changed how pantheons work in relation with religions in Civ6. You keep your pantheon even if your cities change religions.
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Gabriel Pope posted:Nnnnnope. There's something in the Piety tree that specifically enables you to grab the pantheon benefit from the 2nd most popular religion, but otherwise it's only the dominant pantheon. Oh, that's what I was thinking of. Thanks for the correction.
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Civilization VI: I Get A Little Bit Tomyris
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Gandhi's video is up: This video finally made it click for me what's always felt a little bit 'off' about Civ 6's look. It's heavily influenced by phone/Facebook gaming. Similar hypersaturated color palette, goofy cartoonish characters, even the UI feels similar. New Gandhi looks cool. Two months to go...
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Aug 31, 2016 00:37
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I hope the "First Look" woman is the one who does the in-game narration
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Aug 31, 2016 00:41
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Jay Rust posted:I hope the "First Look" woman is the one who does the in-game narration I'm pretty sure the "First Look" woman is not Sean Bean, so this will not be the case.
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Brannock posted:This video finally made it click for me what's always felt a little bit 'off' about Civ 6's look. It's heavily influenced by phone/Facebook gaming. Similar hypersaturated color palette, goofy cartoonish characters, even the UI feels similar. It didn't too long for many people to make this criticism. (I think it's stupid though)
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The Human Crouton posted:I'm pretty sure the "First Look" woman is not Sean Bean, so this will not be the case. He's a very versatile actor. 
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Brannock posted:This video finally made it click for me what's always felt a little bit 'off' about Civ 6's look. It's heavily influenced by phone/Facebook gaming. Similar hypersaturated color palette, goofy cartoonish characters, even the UI feels similar.  
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Aug 31, 2016 14:57
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I like it. Definitely more than V's autumnal hues. Which are neither that pretty and poor for quick scanning. (Also, I hate the clouds). I don't think they nailed the look of the art deco interface, either, but that might be more a matter of personal preference.
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Yeah, it turns out that bright colors and cartoony designs are good choices for a UI that's easy to read. It probably reminds you of mobile games just because mobile games tend to have very little real estate available for their GUIs so they have limited options for how those GUIs can be designed and laid out while retaining legibility. Given that Civ is a game that typically gets played in marathon sessions, I'd much prefer a design that prioritizes ease of use over "realism".
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Aug 31, 2016 17:46
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I actually always appreciated Civ's slightly lighthearted tone. Gave it a bit of character and felt less tense than most self serious strategy games.
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Aug 31, 2016 18:04
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It's a shame people have internalized mobile games = saturation = bad games Because people have been making comparison since the first screenshots of civ vi and it's too bad since the art on civ vi is actually really good. I'll agree that the leader models are weird though. Sort of hit and miss on that one. Jump King fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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Aug 31, 2016 18:04
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MMM Whatchya Say posted:It's a shame people have internalized mobile games = saturation = bad games When they're good they're really great. When they're bad, they're awkward.
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Aug 31, 2016 19:24
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The graphics are the dumbest thing to fixate on given the mountains of info we have to discuss instead.
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Gort posted:The graphics are the dumbest thing to fixate on given the mountains of info we have to discuss instead. From poking around in that: "First of all you get NO warmonger diplomatic penalty at all for making war in the Ancient Era. The penalty phases in and starts to get significant around the Renaissance, but that’s when the new Casus Belli system comes fully into play.” A good change!
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Aug 31, 2016 20:37
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I like that great people all have unique bonuses and the great works they make are specific to them, as well. So if you make Great Writer Homer, he's going to write the Iliad.
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Gort posted:I like that great people all have unique bonuses and the great works they make are specific to them, as well. So if you make Great Writer Homer, he's going to write the Iliad. The great artists, writers and musicians matched up to their great works in Civ 5 too. I think. But I do like that great people in Civ 6 have personalised effects and an additional personalised action when they're 'retired'. That's awesome. And the whole new system of buying them looks sweet as gently caress too. I can't wait to play around with that.
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Powercrazy posted:From poking around in that: This is really cool! Obviously mirrors the trends of human history while, on a gameplay level, enabling plenty of conquering early on but letting those who survive do things besides build up their military all the time.
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Aug 31, 2016 20:53
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Also allows you to have diplomacy after you've had a war.
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I also like the city state bonuses. Particularly if you buddy up with La Venta, you get to build giant Olmec head improvements.
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Kajeesus posted:I also like the city state bonuses. Particularly if you buddy up with La Venta, you get to build giant Olmec head improvements. Totally going to make a city surrounded by Olmec heads.
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Aug 31, 2016 21:06
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I'm going to keep one in a garage, in a city named Springfield.
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I do really like that they've nicked the Cassus Belli system. It'll be good to see someone spy on you, get caught and think, "Ha, now I get to take Orleans from you for free, rear end in a top hat". I know I'll certainly be more likely to declare war if I know the rest of the world won't ostracise me for it.
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Gort posted:I do really like that they've nicked the Cassus Belli system. It'll be good to see someone spy on you, get caught and think, "Ha, now I get to take Orleans from you for free, rear end in a top hat". Same here. War diplomacy is such a pain in the rear end in Civ V, it's unbelievable.
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Stabbatical posted:Same here. War diplomacy is such a pain in the rear end in Civ V, it's unbelievable. You actually had games where at the end everyone didn't hate you except for one person regardless of how much warring you did?
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limp_cheese posted:You actually had games where at the end everyone didn't hate you except for one person regardless of how much warring you did? - Kratos.
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