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Snowglobe of Doom posted:The other main antagonist for GB84 was Ivo Shandor, the wealthy architect/property developer/cult leader who could afford to secretly construct a gigantic psychokinetic antenna/portal out of materials like magnesium-tungsten alloys and gold plated bolts and disguise it as an apartment building. He's an off-screen villain who doesn't really get explored until Ghost Busters The Video Game like 25 years later, though. I think GB84 has enough wiggle room to read however you want it to. The Ghostbusters are definitely libertarians, but you can argue that they're anti-establishment and counter-cultural enough to not necessarily read as "conservative". By definition, they've embraced the new and unusual by pioneering a fringe Weird Science. Ray owns an occult book store. Ray is for sure chatting up wiccan chicks at his occult book store, Egon would be stuffed in a locker by almost anybody who who buys the neo-con anti-intellectualism narrative, Venkman was making a career out of bilking money out of public grants. The only one I can't really speak for is Winston, because we don't really see him do anything that could be politically charged; he's just trying to make a buck.
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deadly_pudding posted:He's an off-screen villain who doesn't really get explored until Ghost Busters The Video Game like 25 years later, though. Shandor was originally going to be the final boss fight in earlier versions of the script but even without that he was still the sole cause behind the ghosts suddenly manifesting. If his building hadn't been gathering psychokinetic energy for all those decades there wouldn't have been enough spectral activity for Egon and Ray to complete their research and build their equipment and form the Ghostbusters.
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Aug 27, 2016 11:27
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The mentioned bureaucrat is also defeated by another government official, when it's revealed that the cause of the problem was his own negligence.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Shandor was originally going to be the final boss fight in earlier versions of the script but even without that he was still the sole cause behind the ghosts suddenly manifesting. If his building hadn't been gathering psychokinetic energy for all those decades there wouldn't have been enough spectral activity for Egon and Ray to complete their research and build their equipment and form the Ghostbusters. I think that's stretching it too much. That's like saying Emperor Palpatine was the primary antagonist of Star Wars Episode IV because he signed off on and financed the construction of the death star.
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WaywardWoodwose posted:It goes way deeper than that. There is both a Firefly(Fox) and a Serenity(Universal) RPG, written by the same person i believe, and because those are technically two different licensees, characters, ships, and even certain CONCEPTS aren't allowed to be used in both. So the character River Tam obviously has to be in both, but the Firefly book, which came out last, is NOT allowed to have her do kung fu and kick rear end, because that idea is owned by a Universal pictures. The Terminator TV series is similar. They can use the Connors, Kyle Reese, the Terminator concept, they can refer back to events from the first two films - but they can't actually say the word Terminator or refer to the robots as Terminators and they can't use the names T-800 or T-1000 but they can have T-888s and a T-1001 which are exactly the same. But it's also called Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, so, they can obviously use the name of the franchise? I always wonder how the negotiations worked for it.
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It's time to close the book on the remake's box office, by the time it's over in theaters it'll only be 10-15 million away from $244 million, and the fact it appearently needed $500 million to break even? loving  Suicide Squad's up to $637 million now and although it may not be that much for WB, at least they did a better financial job than this trainwreck.Maybe if they just made a movie where they learned how to make a business and/or prove how good they are at science stuff and catching ghosts, it wouldn't be half bad. But they had to make the "haters" the main villain because Feig, Dippold, and Pascal wanted to prove a point that they don't give a gently caress what they think, and the plan backfired because better movies were right around the corner...and they had plots where they just did their own thing without being butthurt by fanbases. SuperMechagodzilla posted:The basic point is that white supremacists like Ghostbusters. A lot.  how in the hell did you even come to that conclusion?
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Junior Jr. posted:
That is exactly what it was. The only bit about the haters were about two lines when they were checking the youtube video comments. The villian is a mirror version of Erin, who choose to hate and use his knowledge for evil. Anyway, even Waterworld eventually made it's budget back trough TV, Cable, etc. Topolino fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Aug 31, 2016 |
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They aren't good at catching ghosts. They're pretty damned good with murdering them, though. But this is almost a pure superhero version of Ghostbusters. They've got an ending of, "Well, even though most people don't believe or know we secretly saved the world, there are people who know we aren't menaces and are real heroes.**" There is never any real talk of money outside of the Firehouse rent, the never seem to be trying to figure out a way to bill anyone for their work, they only ever really talk about helping people and nothing about actually being a business, you've got them being given a huge amount of government funding to keep doing whatever they want to do. It's like the exact opposite of the arc of the original film: They end up being cast out of a place where they were give money and facilities to do whatever they want to... being back in a situation where they are given money and facilities to do whatever they want. **edit: It's almost something akin to something you'd see in a Spider-man and/or Avengers ending.
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JediTalentAgent posted:They aren't good at catching ghosts. They're pretty damned good with murdering them, though. Whatever happened to the ghosts at the end of the original movie anyway?
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Junior Jr. posted:
Junior Jr. posted:Maybe if they just made a movie where they learned how to make a business and/or prove how good they are at science stuff and catching ghosts, it wouldn't be half bad. But they had to make the "haters" the main villain because Feig, Dippold, and Pascal wanted to prove a point that they don't give a gently caress what they think, and the plan backfired
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computer parts posted:Whatever happened to the ghosts at the end of the original movie anyway? They all escaped but with Shandor's conduit gone I guess they no longer had any connection to the world from their aetheric plane?
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Quote-Unquote posted:They all escaped but with Shandor's conduit gone I guess they no longer had any connection to the world from their aetheric plane? So they died.
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Aug 31, 2016 14:31
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Slimer survived the end of GB1 and was still around in GB2
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Quote-Unquote posted:They all escaped but with Shandor's conduit gone I guess they no longer had any connection to the world from their aetheric plane? Well, save for various smaller natural and manmade conduits located throughout the world. What I'm saying is that GB2 should have been a road trip movie.
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JediTalentAgent posted:But this is almost a pure superhero version of Ghostbusters. It's definitely a superhero origin story. That's why it has the scenes of the equipment progressing and the part where they get the logo. It's not enough for Spider-Man to just have his web shooters, you have to see him make it and the first version has to kinda suck.
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computer parts posted:Whatever happened to the ghosts at the end of the original movie anyway? I think they actually explained this in the cartoon.
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ThePlague-Daemon posted:It's definitely a superhero origin story. That's why it has the scenes of the equipment progressing and the part where they get the logo. It's not enough for Spider-Man to just have his web shooters, you have to see him make it and the first version has to kinda suck. They needed Bruce Campbell in this film to give the team their name at the concert hall. "Ladies and Gentlemen, the one, the only.... What do you ladies call yourselves?" "The Institute for the Scientific Study of Paranormal Phenomenon and..." "Oh, that's no good... The GHOOOOOSTBUSTERS!" *CHEERS FROM AUDIENCE--CUT BACK TO TEAM RETURNING TO LAB, KEVIN POUTING* "Listen, I need to know in advance if this organization is changing their name because I don't know if you appreciate how long it takes me to change all our promotional material!" *HOLDS UP SEVERAL PROFESSIONAL LOOKING FLYERS WITH LONGER NAME CRUDELY CROSSED OUT IN SHARPIE AND 'GOSTBUSTERS' HANDWRITTEN ON THEM IN HIS INKSTAINED HANDS.*
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Deleted scenes are starting to appear, this one is a "Buzzfeed exclusive." Looks like there was some sort of sub plot with Erin's boyfriend that got cut out entirely. https://www.buzzfeed.com/keelyflaherty/this-ghostbusters-deleted-scene-about-dude-dancing-is-pure-g?utm_term=.ui1qqpYjO#.xcrVVjLrP
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I originally heard someone talk that the theatrical cut was trimmed from a 4-hour film, now I'm hearing only 15 minutes of cut footage and several hours of alternate takes and bloopers? However, I guess that makes some sense if the idea is that a quite a bit of this film was improv and you'd have a ton of alternate takes as a consequence of performers wanting to to different approaches to a scene. edit: Unless the idea was that a lot of these these 'alternate takes' of a single scene were maybe being toyed with in a way to edit several of them into protracted single extended cuts of those scenes? JediTalentAgent fucked around with this message at 08:03 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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The fact that they've cut so much out (Erin's bf, I mean there wasn't even a hint of that in the movie! And Erin and I don't even remember the other one's name falling out) proves that the script must have been an absolute shambles OR Feig just didn't give a gently caress about the script and everything is all his fault and it was all IMPROV IMPROV IMPROV. I don't know which one.
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The original rough cut was allegedly 4 hours. That means the plot, whatever it was, from start to finish, was 4 hours. I want to see that.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:The original rough cut was allegedly 4 hours. That means the plot, whatever it was, from start to finish, was 4 hours. At least an hour of that would have been impro that had nothing to do with the plot
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:At least an hour of that would have been impro that had nothing to do with the plot Most likely, but the 4 hours I don't think includes alternate takes, unless it's a situation where they play it like they keep making new jokes about the same situation.
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I want to see a cut where Kevin shows off all his logo ideas for half an hour.
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Someone made a really great post in one of the comic threads about rough cuts and how they are literally the full cut of every scene from the shooting script laid end to end, and are routinely hours longer than even would be reasonable for a long movie. So it's not unheard of or even that notable for even comedies to have 3-4 hour rough cuts. EDIT: found it, it is worth a read: The Cameo posted:Assembly cuts usually end up being long like that. Age of Ultron and BvS aren't like M:I 2 where the cut Woo actually wanted to put in theaters was well over three hours. An assembly cut is literally all the scenes you shot slapped together by an editor, using the best takes, to give an amorphous version of the film, much like a rough draft of a story is every goddamn thing that goes through your mind. You could just as well call it an outline cut. Every single plotline, every single character beat, every single thing deemed important enough to print to film is in that damned thing. They're practically dailies laid end to end. Guy A. Person fucked around with this message at 14:34 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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There are also a ton of lines in the earlier trailers that never made it to the final film. Kevin saying how someone should make something to fight ghosts, and they point out that's literally what they've been doing. Patty turning up with the car, Abby saying it's a hearse, then her response being "it's a Cadillac". Whole bunch of others I can't recall offhand. 6 year old boy (almost 7) I know was talking about Ghostbusters this weekend. Had just watched the '84 and 2016 versions. He told me he liked the girl Ghostbusters the best. Said he liked the music more. Then I told him about Real Ghostbusters and helped him look up some episodes on YouTube so he has all the Ghostbusters.
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The extended version will finally have that dance sequence we've clearly been waiting for, it'll fill that plot hole that prove how funny this movie was.
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Junior Jr. posted:The extended version will finally have that dance sequence we've clearly been waiting for, it'll fill that plot hole that prove how funny this movie was. Wasn't the dance sequence already included, just put behind the credits? Was there ANOTHER dance sequence?!?!?!
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Guy A. Person posted:Someone made a really great post in one of the comic threads about rough cuts and how they are literally the full cut of every scene from the shooting script laid end to end, and are routinely hours longer than even would be reasonable for a long movie. So it's not unheard of or even that notable for even comedies to have 3-4 hour rough cuts. Just wanted to say thank you for this, as it was really fascinating and I had no idea that was how they did it. It also goes to show just how important Editors are to the final piece as well.
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VideoGames posted:Just wanted to say thank you for this, as it was really fascinating and I had no idea that was how they did it. It also goes to show just how important Editors are to the final piece as well. Yeah The Cameo is in the industry (in some capacity don't ask me lol) but provides a lot of good perspective
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Apparently, in a repeat of Live/Die/Repeat, the film is getting officially retitled for home release to be Ghostbusters: Answer the Call.
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The five hour workprint of Spinal Tap mostly drowns out the sharply edited funny bits in lots of dead time.
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PriorMarcus posted:Apparently, in a repeat of Live/Die/Repeat, the film is getting officially retitled for home release to be Ghostbusters: Answer the Call. Ghosbusters: Port of Call New Orleans
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PriorMarcus posted:Apparently, in a repeat of Live/Die/Repeat, the film is getting officially retitled for home release to be Ghostbusters: Answer the Call. Dammit Kevin, pick up the phone already!
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Parkingtigers posted:There are also a ton of lines in the earlier trailers that never made it to the final film. Kevin saying how someone should make something to fight ghosts, and they point out that's literally what they've been doing. Patty turning up with the car, Abby saying it's a hearse, then her response being "it's a Cadillac". Whole bunch of others I can't recall offhand.
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Retarded_Clown_ posted:Awesome. And yeah, the GB'16 IS better, especially when it comes to the music. Iactually have my phone set up so that I wake up to the Fall Out Boy version of the theme everyday You picked the absolute worst rework of the theme song to wake you up? So you can curse the world that made it to turn it off? I love a lot of the remix work on that soundtrack, but that was easily the worst one on it. Its the most obvious cash grab of a single when the Walk the Moon version is real good, and Get Ghost is a way more fun use of the base track.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:You picked the absolute worst rework of the theme song to wake you up? So you can curse the world that made it to turn it off? Don't engage him.
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On our own is still my favorite Ghostbusters song.
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blackguy32 posted:On our own is still my favorite Ghostbusters song. Jesus Christ I haven't thought about that song for years and it just leaped to life in my head.
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Parkingtigers posted:There are also a ton of lines in the earlier trailers that never made it to the final film. Kevin saying how someone should make something to fight ghosts, and they point out that's literally what they've been doing. Patty turning up with the car, Abby saying it's a hearse, then her response being "it's a Cadillac". Whole bunch of others I can't recall offhand. I was about to grab the novelization when the movie came out to see how much stuff might have been different between the two, since I know in the past that novelizations of films sometimes go into either wildly different takes on the film or provide a lot of cut material from the film or original scripts. (Then I saw it was about $10 and balked...) Instead, I randomly flipped to a page and happened to go right to where I think that Kevin exchange is on. From the page I read, it seemed like they were presenting Kevin as having a flash of being an extremely effective manager/motivator whose overall stupidity otherwise derails that ability. If I remember right, it says that he's giving this incredibly take-charge leadership-grade speech and from anyone else it would have rallied the troops and inspired them, but he quickly just turns into a babbling idiot who quickly doesn't even know why he's saying anything, what he's talking about, or what they even do.
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