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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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I mean at some point the real chancers will start becoming MPs & eventually there will some proper sleaze & corruption stories coming out, but I suppose it's impressive it's not happened yet.
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Pissflaps posted:Might anyone in this thread be at risk of developing this? I think if there's anyone at risk of blowing out a lot of air and making a lot of terrible noise ITT it's you, Flaps~ <3
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Aug 23, 2016 10:50
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forkboy84 posted:I mean at some point the real chancers will start becoming MPs & eventually there will some proper sleaze & corruption stories coming out, but I suppose it's impressive it's not happened yet. Isn't it three SNP MPs that have already been removed from the party over corruption allegations?
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Aug 23, 2016 11:01
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Jedit posted:Isn't it three SNP MPs that have already been removed from the party over corruption allegations? It's definitely a start but it still made no real dent in support. All 3 events are bad but we've yet to have something on the scale of Neil Hamilton, Jonathan Aitken & Jeffery Archer. It's not like the repeated resignations for sleaze of Peter Mandleson brought down New Labour either.
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Aug 23, 2016 11:08
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3 out of ~40 new MPs within 18 months seems like a very high ratio.
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Aug 23, 2016 11:25
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Pissflaps posted:3 out of ~40 new MPs within 18 months seems like a very high ratio. It is. And yet it's not high enough. Look I'm grasping at straws. Maybe the Scottish people will never bore of the SNP & we'll become an effective one party state like Japan. I hope not.
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Aug 23, 2016 11:35
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forkboy84 posted:It's definitely a start but it still made no real dent in support. All 3 events are bad but we've yet to have something on the scale of Neil Hamilton, Jonathan Aitken & Jeffery Archer. Lack of opportunity, I suspect. It's a bit hard to get involved in a major scandal when all you have to work with is the budget for Safe Sex With Sheep leaflets.
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Aug 23, 2016 12:41
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forkboy84 posted:It's definitely a start but it still made no real dent in support. All 3 events are bad but we've yet to have something on the scale of Neil Hamilton, Jonathan Aitken & Jeffery Archer. It's not like the repeated resignations for sleaze of Peter Mandleson brought down New Labour either. Exactly, and even then it's not like it was just those three alone which brought down Major. It has to be a pattern fitting into a wider narrative, whether of nastiness or sleaze or incompetence, else they can be easily dismissed as individual cases not representative of the party etc etc. Scot Lab also didn't help themselves by letting two leaders resign over scandals so piddling (especially in light of MPs expenses) that I can't even remember what they were about. Something about office space for McLeish and a £500 party donation for Alexander? It seemed, even at the time, to be easy enough to just ride them out til the stories died.
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Aug 23, 2016 13:28
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The National headline about dying of bagpipe lung is something I'd have expected from the Onion. I am struggling to believe someone decided that was front-page material. I find it weird that a paper that apparently seeks to make the case for independence as a national newspaper seems to use weaponised twee to sell copy much like the Daily Sport uses tits.
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Aug 23, 2016 15:19
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Pissflaps posted:Might anyone in this thread be at risk of developing this? I can't play the bagpipes because of my shortbread fingers 
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Aug 23, 2016 15:34
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PiCroft posted:I find it weird that a paper that apparently seeks to make the case for independence as a national newspaper seems to use weaponised twee to sell copy much like the Daily Sport uses tits. The people buying it for the case of independence already decided they're buying it. The weaponiaed twee means they might get a few extra sales in the newsagents.
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Aug 23, 2016 16:44
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I actually thought that WAS parody. A photoshop. Jfc
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Aug 24, 2016 01:26
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tithin posted:I actually thought that WAS parody. A photoshop. Jfc Even the name of the paper reads like a joke: "The National", when they're totally provincial. It's one thing to act like Scotland is the most important thing, but National readers must think nowhere else even exists (except Westminster, of course, someone has to do the oppressing).
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Aug 24, 2016 08:01
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Jedit posted:Even the name of the paper reads like a joke: "The National", when they're totally provincial. It's one thing to act like Scotland is the most important thing, but National readers must think nowhere else even exists (except Westminster, of course, someone has to do the oppressing). Since Westminster is a foreign oppressor, "The National" is totally appropriate for the nation of Scotland 
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Aug 24, 2016 10:28
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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An important message that i think needs to be signal boosted 
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Aug 25, 2016 00:04
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Front pages: Stories making headlines in Scotland on Thursday No descriptions today, possibly too early (I know how the stv sub feels): quote:https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/768567359934267392/photo/1 Mail and the National tied for outright reality-denying headlines
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Aug 25, 2016 07:48
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What an odd way to find out my schoolmate is now a standup comic at the fringe and is in the shortlist for an award.
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Aug 25, 2016 07:59
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Niric posted:
I presume you're referring to the Poldark thing? Because regarding the oil crisis the Mail posted an only slightly more alarmist version of a headline on most of the other papers, while the National went full Chemical Ali. E: "the rights of Scottish strawberries". gently caress off, you bigoted provincial cretins.
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Aug 25, 2016 08:19
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I like the ambiguity of the Mail headline. Also I'm glad Flaps agrees that the social pressures that lead to people finding it necessary to keep their feelings bottled up are a serious problem, good for you
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Aug 25, 2016 08:21
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Jedit posted:E: "the rights of Scottish strawberries". gently caress off, you bigoted provincial cretins. Agreed, English people complaining about Scottish Strawberries having a Saltire on them, what a bunch of nationalist morons.
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Aug 25, 2016 10:58
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www posted:Agreed, English people complaining about Scottish Strawberries having a Saltire on them, what a bunch of nationalist morons. Further evidence that the UK is universally poo poo everywhere 
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Aug 25, 2016 11:00
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Jedit posted:E: "the rights of Scottish strawberries". gently caress off, you bigoted provincial cretins. Everyone knows Southern California invented the Strawberry anyway. Those punks in Pungo, Virginia are lying liars!
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Aug 25, 2016 11:03
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www posted:Agreed, English people complaining about Scottish Strawberries having a Saltire on them, what a bunch of nationalist morons. Them, too.
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Aug 25, 2016 11:04
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Jedit posted:I presume you're referring to the Poldark thing? Because regarding the oil crisis the Mail posted an only slightly more alarmist version of a headline on most of the other papers, while the National went full Chemical Ali. No one, not even the Daily Mail, can believe that this GERS report is a "fatal" blow to the SNP's aspirations for an independent Scotland. Edit: just to clarify, I'm not saying the GERs figures help the case for independence, I just think the mail's headline is woefully (and deliberately) stupid, since this deficit - large though it is - doesn't negate every argument for independence. It's also counter productive for the unionist argument long term (not that the mail gives a poo poo about that really) since it posits that the deficit is the be all and end all - and just looking at Brexit I'm not sure that's a great way to try and frame the debate Niric fucked around with this message at 13:02 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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Aug 25, 2016 12:52
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A key difference in the arguments between Brexit and Scottish Independence is that the UK is a net contributor to the EU whereas Scotland is a net beneficiary of UK membership.
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Aug 25, 2016 20:16
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Pissflaps posted:A key difference in the arguments between Brexit and Scottish Independence is that the UK is a net contributor to the EU whereas Scotland is a net beneficiary of UK membership. I don't disagree - it's key precisely because it's just a simple arithmetical difference that is grasped intuitively, regardless of any context ("we give the EU money and it's poo poo" is much more powerful than "the UK gives us money but it's poo poo"). However, relying on "Independence = you'll be financially poorer" is a dangerous game, however easily expressed, and seems short sighted. Political behaviour isn't just based on a simple economic/financial calculation. I mean, I don't think the Mail cares - they're just stoking/playing to short term anger - but it's daft to act like the deficit has killed off independence as a goal.
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Aug 25, 2016 22:47
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Niric posted:No one, not even the Daily Mail, can believe that this GERS report is a "fatal" blow to the SNP's aspirations for an independent Scotland. Typical, you make a post about the news and within five minutes it's about the GERS
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Aug 26, 2016 14:58
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Britain's last elected communist steps down from his Fife constituency: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/11/-sp-britains-last-elected-communist-councillor-willie-clarke?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet Labour won the resulting by-election: https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/274948/tide-turning-labour-party-fife-election-win/ And the new councillor is a Cool and Good Correct person, who is pro-indy and pro-Corbyn and pro-all sorts of awesome things.
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Aug 26, 2016 15:17
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Acaila posted:Britain's last elected communist steps down from his Fife constituency: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/11/-sp-britains-last-elected-communist-councillor-willie-clarke?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet That liveblog is adorable. https://twitter.com/C_JWatson/status/768922408539402240
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Aug 26, 2016 16:33
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Acaila posted:Britain's last elected communist steps down from his Fife constituency: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/11/-sp-britains-last-elected-communist-councillor-willie-clarke?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet It's still sad in an end-of-an-era kind of way to lose the last elected communist. Seems to have been a well regarded local councillor too, which is a rare thing in this day & age.
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Aug 26, 2016 17:17
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Yeah it is! I had been following the election quite closely since Mary is a pal, but hadn't realised that was his constituency. At least his replacement, while not a commie, is a good solid leftie. Still though, I was looking in my bookcase earlier for my copy of Gagarin Way to mope a little about communism in Fife. And yes Ange, I wasn't sure what newspaper to link to for the coverage of the election, and then I found that liveblog and couldn't resist  Bless!
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Aug 26, 2016 19:36
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www posted:Agreed, English people complaining about Scottish Strawberries having a Saltire on them, what a bunch of nationalist morons. Ban English strawberries having a English flag on them Because I want this to be something so stupid that the news is nothing but straw flavoured anger.
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Aug 26, 2016 20:02
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Extreme0 posted:Ban English strawberries having a English flag on them Coming to England and seeing strawberries with unironic Union Jacks on them (as opposed to just having "Produced in the UK" written on the label in slightly larger font) was a culture shock.
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Aug 26, 2016 20:51
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I kind of want to see an English version of the National. Like, not the English equivalent, which would be something the EDL would put out, but specifically that sort of front page but about people rolling cheeses down hills and the dangers of excessive crumpet eating.
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Aug 26, 2016 22:11
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So hey, Alan Roden is Kezia Dugdale's new Director of Communications. Who is that? Why, he's the Political Editor of the Scottish Daily Mail. A perfect fit for New Labour really. Strong on immigrants & the causes of immigrants, & devoutly pro market. Hooray. (still probably a less shambolic choice than Seamus Milne mind)
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Aug 29, 2016 16:14
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forkboy84 posted:So hey, Alan Roden is Kezia Dugdale's new Director of Communications. Who is that? Why, he's the Political Editor of the Scottish Daily Mail. Also a perfect fit for the SNP it seems... https://twitter.com/Ross_Greer/status/770275375524052992
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Aug 29, 2016 16:20
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alan roden is a poo poo who described miliband as "red ed" and called a proposed 1p increase in tax "the tax hike catastrophe" the SNP are also bad but pretty much every problem they have scottish labour try their best to emulate it
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Aug 29, 2016 17:00
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The biennial Scottish Index of Multiple Derivation was published yesterday - it's a fantastic resource and well worth having a look at, either for specific information about an area, or for a more general overview of the state of Scotland. The BBC did a summary of the major urban areas, which starkly shows the disparities both with and between different areas quote:In maps: Scotland's most deprived areas Also from the BBC, because STV are slow at putting up summaries this morning, here's the front pages. Depressingly, only the courier and the express lead with anything from the SIMD. quote:The Scotsman reports that Prime Minister Theresa May has put the UK on course for a "hard Brexit" which will see the country exit the common market and the imposition of curbs on EU migration.
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Sep 1, 2016 08:32
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What a sad state of affairs it is when a politician won't stay bribed.
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Sep 1, 2016 10:19
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I bet that story on the front of the Daily Mail isn't based in reality.
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Sep 1, 2016 10:28
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