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peer posted:But then we'd lose the best scene in the movie, when you finally see why the little kid is so dangerous. Yeah, I really like that scene. I like looper, but my biggest issue is a nerdy time-travel-bullshit hangup: The movie repeatedly shows time-travel having "instantaneous" consequences. That is, when they change something in the past, it doesn't re-write history up until the present, the change just takes effect at the point in the narrative we happen to be. I don't really have a problem with this by itself, because even though it doesn't make any sense mechanically, it works just fine artistically and gives us some really great scenes. My problem is that the actual plot of the movie completely ignores this. Bruce Willis goes back in time to kill the Rainmaker before his wife gets killed in the future. And yet, based on everything else that happens int he movie, this would surely just cause the Rainmaker to poof out of existence in the future, still having set in motion the events leading to the death of Bruce Willis's wife. And as a seasoned looper, Bruce Willis should surely know this. There's really no fixing this, it just bugs me.
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They literally tell you not to worry about it in the movie
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Snak posted:Yeah, I really like that scene.
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FishBulb posted:They literally tell you not to worry about it in the movie That doesn't really fix the fact that the protagonist's primary motivation doesn't make sense. TychoCelchuuu posted:Film Crit Hulk has some very good stuff to say on this topic. I'm sure he does. All-caps is not fun to read, and if he really wanted to share his good ideas, he wouldn't hide them behind a gimmick that makes it harder to access them. edit: 2 things: I already said I don't think it makes it a bad movie, it just bugs me, and 2: I converted Film Crit Hulk's article to lowercase to read it. Snak fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Aug 25, 2016 |
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Aug 25, 2016 15:13
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Snak posted:Yeah, I really like that scene. Yeah, and how do the orcs know how to say menu!
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Aug 25, 2016 15:14
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It makes fine sense if you don't worry about it.
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Hat Thoughts posted:Yeah, and how do the orcs know how to say menu! Why does Orcish sound like English?
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Why does Orcish sound like English? I'll start the petition
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Why are modern film cameras in a fictional land with no visible evidence of electricity or even moderately intricate mechanisms???
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Aug 26, 2016 08:11
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The Orcs are speaking Orcish(Black Tongue) but we get their words translated because we are not watching literal events but the retelling of those events by Frodo. Also Frodo is really racist so he makes the Orcs into monstermen and includes comic relief characters based on the most extreme stereotypes for Elf and Dwarf.
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Though I suspect "Is very good with bows." is a Elf cliché because of Tolkien because before Lord of the Rings elves were anything from tiny people who lived in your house and may have been a remnant of ancestor worship to beautiful but sinister people who lived inside rocks to dudes who would sit on your chest at night and suck the milk from your nipples and with it your lifeforce to cats to beautiful women who'd invite you to dance and then tear your throat open with their claws and drink all your blood to a headless horseman who uses a spinal column as a whip.
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Tolkien did for elves what Stoker did for vampires.
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It is also very likely that Stoker, used Irish and Scottish fairies and general folklore as inspiration for his vampire. In Irish folklore you have Leanan sídhe, fairy maidens who act as a muse for an artist or a poet but drain his life-force at the same time ensuring that although he will create great art he will not live long, you also have Abhartach a tyrannical sorcerer chieftain who oppressed his people until he was killed by a hero but kept coming back until the hero consulted a druid(or a saint) who told him that he needed to kill the revenant with a yew sword and bury him under a hawthorne bush. You also have the Dearg-due which is the ghost of a woman who comitted suicide after a forced marriage and rises from the grave each year to seduce men and drink their blood. In Scottish folklore you have Glaistigs, which are faunbabes who lure unsuspecting men into their arms with their beauty and charms and then kill them and drink their blood. Baobhan sith are basically the same thing. The vampire as a sueve nobleman had already been established in John Polidori's The Vampyre almost 80 years before Dracula came out but the titular vampire, Lord Ruthven, owed more to Byronic heroes, and Byron himself, than to actual vampire folklore. So the vampire as we know it is a combination of South-Slavic, Irish, and Scottish folklore with the Byronic hero. So you know there is a sort of connection between elves and vampires.
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Would Cast Away have received more Academy Award nominations if it was a sequel to Forrest Gump? Or maybe an Orc friend on the island.
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Jay Wilson's rotting head as the buddy.
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Zogo posted:Would Cast Away have received more Academy Award nominations if it was a sequel to Forrest Gump? In the Forrest Gump book, Forrest does have an island adventure. He and a specially trained orangutan are sent off into space with regular NASA astronauts, crash into the Pacific, and are picked up by cannibal pygmies. Their chief was educated at Harvard during WW2, and he's obsessed with chess, but has nobody to play with. Forrest has to play chess with him every day. If Forrest loses, he, the orangutan, and the one surviving astronaut, will all be eaten by the tribesmen. Turns out, though, that idiot-savant Forrest has a latent skill for the game. Forrest and his buddies live with the cannibal pygmies for some years. Forrest Gump is a loving crazy book and the movie has almost nothing to do with it.
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I was reading this article the other day, and it's been a few years since I've last seen Glengarry Glen Ross, but when Alec Baldwin gives his speech is Roma included in the "First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado, second place is a set of steak knives, third place is you're fired" competition or is he exempt since he's making good sales? I assumed the former and that two people were set to be fired (and it was a foregone conclusion that Roma would win), but the article makes it sound like the latter.
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Power of Pecota posted:I was reading this article the other day, and it's been a few years since I've last seen Glengarry Glen Ross, but when Alec Baldwin gives his speech is Roma included in the "First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado, second place is a set of steak knives, third place is you're fired" competition or is he exempt since he's making good sales? I assumed the former and that two people were set to be fired (and it was a foregone conclusion that Roma would win), but the article makes it sound like the latter.
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david_a posted:No, he's included, but he has a commanding lead in the sales figures so everyone assumes he will get one of the spots. From skimming through the article I'm not sure where you're getting the implication that he's exempt. I think he's comparing Romo to Al Pacino.
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Skwirl posted:I think he's comparing Romo to Al Pacino.
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david_a posted:No, he's included, but he has a commanding lead in the sales figures so everyone assumes he will get one of the spots. From skimming through the article I'm not sure where you're getting the implication that he's exempt. I think I missed the "at least" when I read the "one of these three men is losing their job" or something. vOv
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Power of Pecota posted:I was reading this article the other day, and it's been a few years since I've last seen Glengarry Glen Ross, but when Alec Baldwin gives his speech is Roma included in the "First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado, second place is a set of steak knives, third place is you're fired" competition or is he exempt since he's making good sales? I assumed the former and that two people were set to be fired (and it was a foregone conclusion that Roma would win), but the article makes it sound like the latter. Roma is definitely under the impression he's in for the Cadillac, he specifically chews out Williamson for costing him it when he blows the land sale.
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I watched Batman vs Superman last night (extended version is much better btw) and when it came to the MARTHA twist they did the whole "flashback to earlier parts of the movie to explain the twist for stupid people" thing. My question is: what is the worst example of this in cinema? I think The Number 23 took like 30 minutes to explain the twist, can't recall if it was all flashbacks though.
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I don't really remember if it's a "twist" or not, but the Silent Hill movie has a pretty bad part at the end where the protagonist meets the evil little girl or whatever and she carefully explains everything that happened in monologue over footage of the events being discussed.
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Wasn't 88 Minutes the one where Al Pacino flashed back to an earlier scene that took place in a bar, but the flash back showed things that were taking place behind him that he couldn't possibly have seen?
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Disco De Soto posted:I watched Batman vs Superman last night (extended version is much better btw) and when it came to the MARTHA twist they did the whole "flashback to earlier parts of the movie to explain the twist for stupid people" thing.
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Groundhog Day keeps flashing back to the same events, it's really annoying. And the continuity editor should have been fired, because so many things are inconsistent each time!
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I'll switch it up and say that The Rules of Attraction used the flashback device better than any other movie I can think of.
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I watched Pulp Fiction the other day and it was pretty stupid John Travolta gets shot but a couple of scenes later he's sitting around eating in a diner like nothing happened. . How the heck did that get past the continuity editor?
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The first Mission: Impossible does it in a clever way that confused a lot of people
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FreudianSlippers posted:I watched Pulp Fiction the other day and it was pretty stupid John Travolta gets shot but a couple of scenes later he's sitting around eating in a diner like nothing happened. . How the heck did that get past the continuity editor? Is... is this a joke post?
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One thing that does bug me about pulp fiction is the two different takes of the diner stickup line being used. The first was so perfect, why not use it again?
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effectual posted:One thing that does bug me about pulp fiction is the two different takes of the diner stickup line being used. The first was so perfect, why not use it again? Didn't they shoot the second take from the opposite angle? Can't exactly set up both cameras for the same take.
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effectual posted:One thing that does bug me about pulp fiction is the two different takes of the diner stickup line being used. The first was so perfect, why not use it again? I thought this was supposed to be the point, that you're now seeing the robbery from Jules and Vince's perspective instead of Pumpkin and Honey Bunny's (I think that's their names). They're much less cool and badass in the eyes of these actual hardcore and ruthless killers.
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do you have to watch age of ultron to watch civil war or is civil war a sequel to winter soldier
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It's more of a Winter Soldier sequel. Age of Ultron isn't really needed except if you really want to know why robo-Jesus Paul Bettany and Slavic Olsen Sister are there.
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cool thanks i have a personal hatred for every avenger except captain and hulk and didnt really wanna sit through a movie of them
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Abu Dave posted:cool thanks i have a personal hatred for every avenger except captain and hulk and didnt really wanna sit through a movie of them Civil War still has all the Avengers, and doesn't have Hulk.
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