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Don't know where this peasant poo poo came from. The previously mentioned Latvian party is called "Zemnieku savienība". My English transition would be Farmer's Union. There is no widely used word in Latvian that has the meaning "peasant". Edit: beaten!
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steinrokkan posted:Do the various translations of "peasant" to other languages have the same negative connotations? In Czech "rolník" is a perfectly fine word with romantic undertones, and calling a food product "rolnický" (peasant made) is the equivalent of "artisanal" or "rustic".
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Yeah, in Polish rolnik is farmer, peasant is chłop, but it doesn't really have a negative connotation either like the word does in English.
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Peasant in English has the connotation of fuedalism and economic servitude. It's interesting that that's not the case in the Baltics. I'm not sure what I'd translate it as without those connotations though, besides just "small farmer" which is less precise but more accurate.
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Well, it's probably fair to say there was a major divergence in land managing practices and the derived social hierarchy between continental Europe and England, so there probably can be no 1:1 mapping of words.
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Chemtrail posted:Don't know where this peasant poo poo came from. The previously mentioned Latvian party is called "Zemnieku savienība". My English transition would be Farmer's Union. There is no widely used word in Latvian that has the meaning "peasant".
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A Pale Horse posted:Yeah, in Polish rolnik is farmer, peasant is chłop, but it doesn't really have a negative connotation either like the word does in English. The Polish word for a villager (wieśniak), however, does.
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Sep 1, 2016 20:09
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In Lithuanian peasant is "valstietis" and farmer would be "žemdirbys" (literally "earth worker") but neither have negative connotations by themselves, no.
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ALso there's tons of overlap between Greens and rurals/peasant types. Fear of technology/change Fear that modern society doesn't understand or respect "the land", urban population just thinks their food and goods come from a store GMO's are scary Climate change is going to gently caress up farming Chemtrails and conspiracy theories I don't understand environmental science in the slightest but nature and green things are good and we need more of that At least where I live the local greens are sort of centre-right on a lot of economic issues, and their environmental policies are mostly based on emotion and optics rather than data. Lot of fear/mistrust of science and technology and a strong desire for society to "go back to the land" and solve problems with urban farming and a more agrarian economy. Cities are bad, density is bad, we need more rural living despite that being horrible for the environment, it "feels" more green so it's good. They also love to toss bones to conspiracy theorists. Maybe we need to take a look at 9/11, chemtrails, and vaccination. Also maybe abortion rights are a little too liberal you know?
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Sorry to hear that you have lovely Greens!
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Xerxes17 posted:Sorry to hear that you have lovely Greens! lovely Greens are by far the majority of Greens worldwide. People who actually understand environmental issues tend to be members of other parties, no matter what system is in place.
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Yeah that seems to be a Universal Truth™. Also the word is that Kariomov kicked the bucket. E: Ahh, no official confirmation yet but apparently they started preparing the tomb in Samarkand:  The announcement is expected to be made tomorrow and the funeral to take place on Saturday. Some rumors also claim that he died on Monday.http://www.fergananews.com/articles/9078 mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Sep 1, 2016 |
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fishmech posted:lovely Greens are by far the majority of Greens worldwide. People who actually understand environmental issues tend to be members of other parties, no matter what system is in place. Well, in Australia at least they're actually the most sensible of the lot. I guess that's what happens when they're basically watermelons (and proud of it)   
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Xerxes17 posted:Well, in Australia at least they're actually the most sensible of the lot. I guess that's what happens when they're basically watermelons (and proud of it)
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cinci zoo sniper posted:lovely greens are excellent party in country that reinstated concentration camps, yes. I disagree that they're at all lovely (they oppose said camps and have always done so), but yes, the competition isn't fierce 
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Dragas posted:In Lithuanian peasant is "valstietis" and farmer would be "žemdirbys" (literally "earth worker") but neither have negative connotations by themselves, no. Etymologically, "peasant" is "country man/woman" and "farmer" is "employee". Both come from the Latin through Old French, peasant being derived from a word meaning "district" (which also gave the word "pagan") and farmer being derived from a word meaning "payment" or "contract" (which also gave the noun "firm" and the verb "confirm", for example). The original idea was that a peasant was someone from the land (not from the city, castle, abbey...) and a farmer was someone working on behalf of somebody else. Of course these notions are mostly forgotten now and not much relevant anymore to the commonly used meanings, but that's the kind of things that might help choosing the best picks for translations. Sorry for the spergy  derail, I just love word nerdery. 
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mobby_6kl posted:Yeah that seems to be a Universal Truth™.
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Dragas posted:In Lithuanian peasant is "valstietis" and farmer would be "žemdirbys" (literally "earth worker") but neither have negative connotations by themselves, no. Welcome to the Baltic farmer discussion thread
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Skeesix posted:Welcome to the Baltic farmer discussion thread
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:Peasant in English has the connotation of fuedalism and economic servitude. It's interesting that that's not the case in the Baltics. I'm not sure what I'd translate it as without those connotations though, besides just "small farmer" which is less precise but more accurate. I don't know about Lithuania, but in Estonia serfdom was abolished in 1816 and in Livonia in 1819, which is a lot later than in England. And serfs belonged to Baltic German landowners under the rule of Russian empire, so it might have something to do with nationalist pride.
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quote:Uzbekistan's president, Islam Karimov, has died after suffering a stroke at the age of 78, three diplomatic sources told Reuters on Friday. good night sweet prince
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"No, wait," the source later reported, "Maybe he's just pining for the fjords."
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So uh. Russias supreme court apparently is denying the Soviet involvement in the 1939 partition of Poland. (Source in Swedish: http://www.dn.se/nyheter/varlden/rysslands-hogsta-domstol-fornekar-sovjets-invasion-i-polen-1939/ )
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Retarded Goatee posted:So uh. Russias supreme court apparently is denying the Soviet involvement in the 1939 partition of Poland. English-level Ukrainian source: http://khpg.org/en/index.php?id=1472775460 In likelihood they weren't quite objecting to that; the exact quote charges were over was this: quote:“The communists and Germany jointly invaded Poland, sparking off the Second World War. That is, communism and Nazism closely collaborated, yet for some reason they blame Bandera who was in a German concentration camp for declaring Ukrainian independence”.
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Mozi posted:"No, wait," the source later reported, "Maybe he's just pining for the fjords."
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Putin Says DNC Hack Was a Public Service, Russia Didn’t Do It http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-09-02/putin-says-dnc-hack-was-a-public-good-but-russia-didn-t-do-it quote:“Listen, does it even matter who hacked this data?’’ Putin said in an interview at the Pacific port city of Vladivostok on Thursday. “The important thing is the content that was given to the public.’’ Occasionally I can't help but love Putin being a troll. A troll with 10s of thousands of lives on his consciousness and should die a horrible death, but yes.
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Rincewinds posted:Putin Says DNC Hack Was a Public Service, Russia Didn’t Do It Well, he's right about one of those things.
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I would disagree with that assertion.
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So the Kremlin remains consistent in denying everything they're doing.
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Blogger Who Filmed Himself Playing Pokemon Go at a Cathedral Could Face Prisonquote:In mid-August, Valery Gorelykh, the regional police spokesperson, told local reporters that he personally wanted to see Sokolovsky sent to prison for “at least five years,” arguing that an example should be made, to discourage more Pokemon Go players from committing such blasphemy. Dwesa fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Sep 3, 2016 |
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Dwesa posted:Blogger Who Filmed Himself Playing Pokemon Go at a Cathedral Could Face Prison The way Russia is going, I fully expect him to be staked inside a prison, then set on fire.
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No central asian thread and it has been talked about here so asking itt: any good sources on what's been going on in uzbekistan? I know the basics, horrible dictator and some of the stuff with his daughters but I have no idea, like most I think, about who looks likely to be in charge in the future. Seems his eldest is out and it might be a big fight between the mayors of the big cities? I really have no clue but would love to know more.
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Karimov's funeral was today. His oldest daughter did not attend, however. http://www.fergananews.com/news/25274 quote:Uzbekistan: Gulnara - the eldest daughter of Islam Karimov - was not present at the funeral, she was still under house arrest Apologies for the Google Translate.
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Darth Walrus posted:The last Stalinist state. Fill in the blanks from there. get that OUT of my face fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Y-Hat posted:Now that this post is relevant again since Karimov is dead, what does that make Turkmenistan? Is it still on par with North Korea ever since Turkmenbashi died or did they dial down the crazy just a little bit?
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Dwesa posted:I think his successor only changed the person in a cult of personality. It's still like North Korea, though, so it's beyond Stalinism. Edit: Niyazov also encouraged people to chew on bones to strengthen their teeth because he saw dogs do it when he was a kid.
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Huh, Russia's Ministry of Justice has declared Levada-Centre a foreign agent. I hope that doesn't they're done with polling, but I'm afraid it might. In other news, 21 of 23 refugees Latvia did grant asylum have already moved on the Germany, understandably. The only two, a married couple, remaining were able to do so because asylum seeker centre did offer the man a job, his wife doing freelance haircuts, and some random bystander from the village the asylum centre is in did loan them money to get a place to stay and settle in. Edit: Finished reading interview with chair of the Levada. TL;DR - they're toasted if they are unable to overturn judgement in court, exact same comprehensive investigation on them in 2014 by Russian authorities did result in no repercussions, so this is thought to be purely political; elimination of public NGOs and such. Looks like Putin is starting to tighten grip on the country in preparation for elections, since among this there's also been a recent string of governmental inquiries into range of organisations and personalities who have made a poor appearance in public. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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They have a graph of their most recent poll of Putin favorability but that's July. No press releases since January.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:They have a graph of their most recent poll of Putin favorability but that's July. No press releases since January.  Edit: They basically got bombed for collaborative research with University of Wisconsin. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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Estonia's Delfi.ee published an article quoting a website called 'whitegenocideproject', and it was pretty much the exact translation of what it said there. Whole lot of propaganda about some wikileaks document from 2006 about how USA should promote tolerance (edit) in Estonia and equality and all that, typical NGO stuff. Then the article was pulled and was replaced. Now it quotes "Norwegian web portal frieord.no" and is much shorter. Hmm let's see what's that website about, let's try the articles in English: "85-year old man died after being punched by African". "11 year old girl beaten up by muslims", etc Wow, what an improvement over the original. Of course the paid trolls are having a field day. edit: document in question. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/06TALLINN576_a.html jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Sep 5, 2016 |
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